Mind/Body Transplant

[Master Che]

Do you believe it will be possible to swape mind's with someone or something else? I certainly believe so, are brain's work similar to computar and AI hardrive's with memory and data. Only problem is how will they extract the person and then transfer him into another body (or machine)? I believe in about 20-40 years we might have the technology to do it.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The theory of mind transference is actually pretty simple; All you have to do is take a "snapshot" of someones brain - accurate to the last atom - and run it through a "brain simulator" that can take any given snapshot of a brain and allow it to function within an artificial reality environment as it did in real life.

This however requires us to learn a lot more about the human brain than we know now.

[Master Che]

But will it actually be the same person? Like if i were to have a mind tranfer would it be "me" in that other body?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Imagine that your brain is a book, and that your body is a shelf.

Now photocopy that book, and place the photocopy on a different shelf. Is it that photocopy you? no, it isn't. It's a copy of you, but yet this copy of your personality has memories that he hasn't actually experienced.

I think mind-copying would be best used as a precaution against dying - every month, you take a snapshot of your brain and save it somewhere safe. If you die, you can have your snapshot placed into an empty clone of your body, or in a robotic body, or uploaded into a virtual reality.

[Master Che]

What if your dead? Will it still be you or someone else as "you"?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

It would still be a copy of you.

[Chimera]

It would be a copy, but you'd still cease to exist, you wouldn't retain any consciousness past death, all that would happen is someone or something else would think how you did.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 04:50 AM
It would still be a copy of you.
Relative to yourself. Would you be aware of the fact you have died and come back to life. Or would your old mind (your current state of consciousness) be dead, and replaced with a copy.

I think this is the basis for the idea of a 'soul' that even an exact replaca of your brain isn't actually 'you'. And in such a case, if it isn't the mind, what is it? Im not really sure, but I reject the classical notion of a soul completly.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 01:01 AM
I think mind-copying would be best used as a precaution against dying - every month, you take a snapshot of your brain and save it somewhere safe. If you die, you can have your snapshot placed into an empty clone of your body, or in a robotic body, or uploaded into a virtual reality.
Why? that would just cause population problems.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by Additives Free+Nov 7 2005, 03:48 PM--> (Additives Free @ Nov 7 2005, 03:48 PM)
[email protected] 7 2005, 01:01 AM
I think mind-copying would be best used as a precaution against dying - every month, you take a snapshot of your brain and save it somewhere safe. If you die, you can have your snapshot placed into an empty clone of your body, or in a robotic body, or uploaded into a virtual reality.
Why? that would just cause population problems. [/b]
Why have children when you can live forever?

[h&s]

Why live forever when you could have children?
I think that one of the most comforting things about life is that it goes on - it is constantly refreshing itself, renewing itself.
No-one wants to live forever.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by h&[email protected] 7 2005, 04:53 PM
No-one wants to live forever.
Speak for yourself. I would gladly see the heat death of the universe.

[Master Che]

Originally posted by Additives Free+Nov 7 2005, 03:47 PM--> (Additives Free @ Nov 7 2005, 03:47 PM)
[email protected] 7 2005, 04:50 AM
It would still be a copy of you.
Relative to yourself. Would you be aware of the fact you have died and come back to life. Or would your old mind (your current state of consciousness) be dead, and replaced with a copy.

I think this is the basis for the idea of a 'soul' that even an exact replaca of your brain isn't actually 'you'. And in such a case, if it isn't the mind, what is it? Im not really sure, but I reject the classical notion of a soul completly. [/b]
I was wondering the same thing. Since if thats how it is what's the use in mind tranfering?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by URSB_Revolution+Nov 7 2005, 07:16 PM--> (URSB_Revolution @ Nov 7 2005, 07:16 PM)
Originally posted by Additives [email protected] 7 2005, 03:47 PM

[email protected] 7 2005, 04:50 AM
It would still be a copy of you.
Relative to yourself. Would you be aware of the fact you have died and come back to life. Or would your old mind (your current state of consciousness) be dead, and replaced with a copy.

I think this is the basis for the idea of a 'soul' that even an exact replaca of your brain isn't actually 'you'. And in such a case, if it isn't the mind, what is it? Im not really sure, but I reject the classical notion of a soul completly.
I was wondering the same thing. Since if thats how it is what's the use in mind tranfering? [/b]
Since the feeling of being "you" is the sum of all your experiences, and these are based in the brain, it would be like a continued existance.

[Master Che]

But you'd still be dead... Whats the use of performing the procedure if your going to die and wont come back?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The original "you" would be dead but there would be another "you" with the exact same memories and experiences living in a freshly cloned body after the death of your previous body.

Think about it like backing up computer data. Every month, a backup is made of every file, (Your memories, experiences and personality as stored in your brain) on a seperate server, so in the case of the original server being destroyed (you being killed) your files are "rolled back" to the most recent backup and installed on a new "server" of the exact same model as the last (your new body, a clone of the old one)

Not possible with current technology of course, but excitingly plausible.

[Master Che]

So what do you mean in simplier terms? That someone with my memories and experience's will be alive and the actual "me" would be dead? Or would i die then gain counsience?

[Xvall]

I sort of see how it's you, but it's not very appealing to me, because it wouldn't actually be experienced by me if I died - just by some seperate entity that although exactly the same as me isn't really me. (Hope that makes sense.) Point is, I won't be around to continue. My "copy" will.

[Commie Rat]

it would be like some sort of crazy ground hog day but you wouldn't know it

[Xvall]

Percicely. To everyone else, you would still exist - but since I as I know myself would not, it doesn't seem appealing to me. (It's like giving your body and mind to another soul, except that souls don't exist.)

So hey. If you body was sliced down the center, would you percieve the death from the left side, right side, both, or would there be two seperate mind-entities precieving the deaths?

CRAZY.

[Master Che]

That sucks ass, whats the use of mind tranfering if you'll still die?
But here's another question is it possible to change the "person" into another body?