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Ric_god
6th November 2005, 00:38
Greetings Comrades! I can't believe I'd never found this site before, such an amazing collection of like-minded people! Basically, since about aged 11, I've been building up polictial views, all of which have turned out to be extreme left. I obviously have a very large interest in politics and philosophy. (My mom did degrees in philosophy and theology, so in many ways I've be brought up with an interest.) Its got to a point now where no-one in my family will want to have a policital debate with me, thats not to say I "win," but rather that I simply won't drop it, I'll continue to argue my point until they walk away.

I'm in secondary school (English name for high school,) and sadly, the vast magority of people have very uninformed views on things. Amoung my friends, who are all academically intelligent people, it is not uncommon to hear "Well, Iraq deserved it for September 11th." Of course, I try and correct these people, but they often become bored and will just ignore it. Also, I'm very saddened by the racist slurs that will be said now and then. The thing is, people often come from homes where I suspect their parents (particually dad) will be racist, therefore passing it onto his children. Again, I'll always argue against this, but people will become bored, and uninterested in any reasonable view. This is not to say that these people are stupid or "don't get it," it's just the way many teenagers are brought up I guess. Rather than research politics, they'll hear their Dad's say racist things, and the other crap that the media throws at them, (Saddam has "links" to 9/11)

On the topic of school, I'm often appaled by the way History is taught. For example, on the topic of the Nazis, it will be said that the Nazis "saved" Germany from communism. SAVED? The textbook takes the immediate assumption that communism is some bad! Communism, a political structure and philosophical thinking, used throughout the modern world, and a country was "saved" from it? This is just one example of the capitalist propoganda that litters education.

Another trouble that can arrise at school is the right-wing teacher problem. One such example was my previous geography teacher, a right-wing racist. Of course, he can't openly be racist, but it becomes clear when he picks on the asian kids, and talks of how the middle-east "abuses" the west, and that they should be nuked. No, I'm not exagerating what he honestly says. He says that afganistan should be nuked because it's poppy fields "abuse" the west. Hmm, a country should have its population wiped out because it exports flowers which undermine the proabition of drugs in this country. This is the mentallity of the man.

Another time, the topic of the Iraq war was raised, and of course, he was in favour. I was the only person in the class who was not impressed by his bullshit, and argued with him. I said, among other things, "the war is illegal." He replied, in a war situation, there is no "illegal." "Well, according to the UN, which America is part of, and created to prevent World War 3, there IS an illegal war." He, clearly with nothing to reply, said "oh, you clearly don't know what you're talking about," and then refused to debate any further. I'm no longer in this man's class, which in some ways is good, as I no longer have to listen to him, but in other ways bad, as I now cannot argue with him, and rip apart his right-wing nonsense. The sad thing is, his right-wing "views" are being TAUGHT in a school, as if they are facts within the Geography curriculum.

Wow, long post, though I spose a good introduction to me, and the struggle I fight within a middle-class grammar school. One mind at a time, the liberation of the left can be spread. Thank you comrades; Strength in our unity!

which doctor
6th November 2005, 01:36
Welcome Comrade, I am in a similar situation that you are in. Anyways I hope you have a long and informed stay here with us at RevLeft!

rioters bloc
6th November 2005, 08:55
heyhey, welcome :D awesome to have you here

your teacher sound terrible :( hopefully the kids in your class are smart enough to not buy his bullshit.

somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback
6th November 2005, 16:57
Welcome comrade, I'm too lazy to read your entire post for the moment :P so I will comment on that later on ;)
Welcome anyway
"When you h

somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback
6th November 2005, 16:59
Welcome comrade, I'm too lazy to read your entire post for the moment :P so I will comment on that later on ;)
Welcome anyway
"When you have given everything, you have everything to gain."

Goatse
6th November 2005, 17:46
Hello comrade!

I am too from secondary/highschool, but I'm up north in Scotland! I have almost exactly the same problems, except I don't have politically right wing teachers. (I have fascist ones, though.) Only a few people are interested in politics, and they are all against me bar one. I have some interesting tales of my arguments with them.

Anyway, welcome!

somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback
6th November 2005, 19:17
Ah, I've read your entire post now and I must say I'm pleased to hear the firy undertone in your writing when you talk about communism :)
Kill that SOB teacher for me, will you? That's always used when they can't argue (any longer): "Oh, you just don't know what you're talking about" or "No, no, you're wrong, just forget about it and let's move on." I hate that shit. Never give up though comrade. Hasta la victoria siempre ;)

Comrade Yastrebkov
6th November 2005, 19:34
Greetings Comrade!

I am also in year 11 at a secondary school in Surrey, England and yes, I know the feeling! Fortunately we have no extreme right-wing teachers, but we have right-wing pupils to make up for it...

Lol, I also have tale of arguing with teachers in front of the class. Its funny to see people's faces when you do that "eh? whats communism?" "where's cuba?" but we have to get through to them so keep it up!

Ric_god
7th November 2005, 21:43
It's inspirational to see such heartfelt support. Like you, Comrade Yastrebkov, my school is also sadly littered with right-wing people. It's a fairly well off area, leading to plenty of conservative families, which then leads to plenty of concervative kids. Thing is, they don't even understand what concervative is, they will just sprout out some bu****** about immigrants and "OUR" country.

After I had that arguement with the Geography teacher, and basically outspoke him, a guy infront of me turned round and said "you should be like, a politician or somthing." Hopefully, what I said will have changed at least one mind, even if the concervative idiot teacher is too stuck up to be changed. I though, "Politician? Revolutionary!"

National Security Will Never Outweigh Our Freedoms! Radical Action is Needed for Radical Change!

Xvall
8th November 2005, 00:07
I can not begin to express how fucked-up that school is. I've had bad teachers, but nothing that horrible.

comradeadam
9th November 2005, 12:58
Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 12:38 AM
Greetings Comrades! I can't believe I'd never found this site before, such an amazing collection of like-minded people! Basically, since about aged 11, I've been building up polictial views, all of which have turned out to be extreme left. I obviously have a very large interest in politics and philosophy. (My mom did degrees in philosophy and theology, so in many ways I've be brought up with an interest.) Its got to a point now where no-one in my family will want to have a policital debate with me, thats not to say I "win," but rather that I simply won't drop it, I'll continue to argue my point until they walk away.

I'm in secondary school (English name for high school,) and sadly, the vast magority of people have very uninformed views on things. Amoung my friends, who are all academically intelligent people, it is not uncommon to hear "Well, Iraq deserved it for September 11th." Of course, I try and correct these people, but they often become bored and will just ignore it. Also, I'm very saddened by the racist slurs that will be said now and then. The thing is, people often come from homes where I suspect their parents (particually dad) will be racist, therefore passing it onto his children. Again, I'll always argue against this, but people will become bored, and uninterested in any reasonable view. This is not to say that these people are stupid or "don't get it," it's just the way many teenagers are brought up I guess. Rather than research politics, they'll hear their Dad's say racist things, and the other crap that the media throws at them, (Saddam has "links" to 9/11)

On the topic of school, I'm often appaled by the way History is taught. For example, on the topic of the Nazis, it will be said that the Nazis "saved" Germany from communism. SAVED? The textbook takes the immediate assumption that communism is some bad! Communism, a political structure and philosophical thinking, used throughout the modern world, and a country was "saved" from it? This is just one example of the capitalist propoganda that litters education.

Another trouble that can arrise at school is the right-wing teacher problem. One such example was my previous geography teacher, a right-wing racist. Of course, he can't openly be racist, but it becomes clear when he picks on the asian kids, and talks of how the middle-east "abuses" the west, and that they should be nuked. No, I'm not exagerating what he honestly says. He says that afganistan should be nuked because it's poppy fields "abuse" the west. Hmm, a country should have its population wiped out because it exports flowers which undermine the proabition of drugs in this country. This is the mentallity of the man.

Another time, the topic of the Iraq war was raised, and of course, he was in favour. I was the only person in the class who was not impressed by his bullshit, and argued with him. I said, among other things, "the war is illegal." He replied, in a war situation, there is no "illegal." "Well, according to the UN, which America is part of, and created to prevent World War 3, there IS an illegal war." He, clearly with nothing to reply, said "oh, you clearly don't know what you're talking about," and then refused to debate any further. I'm no longer in this man's class, which in some ways is good, as I no longer have to listen to him, but in other ways bad, as I now cannot argue with him, and rip apart his right-wing nonsense. The sad thing is, his right-wing "views" are being TAUGHT in a school, as if they are facts within the Geography curriculum.

Wow, long post, though I spose a good introduction to me, and the struggle I fight within a middle-class grammar school. One mind at a time, the liberation of the left can be spread. Thank you comrades; Strength in our unity!
Yeah your right i dont have any kids or teachers like that,in fact i talk to a couple of teachers who sympathise with my beliefs :ph34r:.All i have to do is put up with my racist poppa who believes that hitler's economic policies were good :angry:.Yeah this site is awesome i dont get to talk with like minded people.Other forums i get abused by right wing pricks. :angry:


Yours truly
Adam

ScottishSocialist13
11th November 2005, 16:17
Good Post.

Welcome :)

Tekun
11th November 2005, 18:08
Welcome comrade, and props for showing up your stupid geo teacher! :D