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arielle
3rd November 2005, 11:40
Recently I have come upon a thought that a neighbor said to me recently. He used Machiavelli's "The ends justifies the means" as an excuse for going over to Iraq. He also believed that the US planned 9/11 saying that if they had to do that to get into the Iraq war then he didn't care. We got the oil and took out a dictator turning the world slowly into one nation just like us.

This frightened me because now I'm slowly starting to see that the citizens of the United States are agreeing with having our freedoms removed and the goverment being able to kill 10,000 of us just so they can justify a war. Am I the only one that finds these kinds of thoughts disturbing?

This man also agreed that the US goverment shouldn't have gotten involved with Hurricane Katrina because they over step the state goverment and broke their right because they have to "ask" to help.

There were also dozens of other people that agreed with this man in my neighborhood.

scary

Monty Cantsin
7th November 2005, 07:11
There’s been a lot of debate about who knew September 11 was going to happen. Gore vidal thinks the bush administration was complicit in the attacks while other just think the intelligence agencies and administration were incompetent. But at the very least we can say that the September 11 attacks were a good thing for the bush administration and they capitalised on the events just as FDR capitalised on Perl harbour.

As for the Maxim “the ends justify the means” I’d agree but I’d further point out that the means determine the end and thus are interconnected to the point that a good ends can only come from good means proportionate to the situation.