Hitler's Ideas

[SmokeyDaSharky]

I always watch documentaries about Adolf Hitler and learn some of his methods. How did he manipulate an entire nation??? Im so amazed. I know it took propaganda and the nation in distress but WOW!!! Anyways, I am not saying that Im for Nazism or racial cleansing, but I am am interested and admire how the way the people sacrificed for their nation of Germany and PROGRESSED form nothing to a world power that almost conquered Europe. I wish that all people in my nation, the US was more like that to progress, to better the people regardless of race or conquering nations. Why cant everyone better themselves and discover new things. We are the human race. Japan too. Must we need nationalism. racism, sexism for this to happen? I think it should be "Politicalism", our own philosophy of way thins should be handeled correctly. There should be ways and I encourage you all to find out how it can be done and if possible. Im only 20 years old and am alreayd thining about this. Im scared of myslef sometimes. LOL.

[sovietsniper]

hitler really was a master at properganda. In wheimar germany jews were under suspithion, like people from pakistan are today.

[Xvall]

The people didn't sacrifice anything for the nation of Germany. They acted as cowards, used innocent people as scapegoats, and invaded weaker nations that had no chance of defending themselves. When they actually did something more challanging (attacking England and the Soviet Union), they started to feel the brick wall of reality.

I know that's not what you were aiming for, though.

[SmokeyDaSharky]

Yeah I know what you mean. I want a strong and powerful society always striving for more to better ourselves. I hope I dont sound so Hitler-like, LOL

[Sir Aunty Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 10:18 AM
Yeah I know what you mean. I want a strong and powerful society always striving for more to better ourselves. I hope I dont sound so Hitler-like, LOL
You did a bit to my mind, sorry.

I agree with everything Xvall said. Progress is not the word to describe what happened to Germany under the Nazis.

[Severian]

I'm curious exactly what you consider "progress" about the Third Reich, Sharky. Maybe it has something to do with your idea about "going back to the old days"? Which is kinda the opposite of progressive, actually.

Or you say "Hitler's ideas: some and some not". Well, if you like some of his ideas, which ones?

[SmokeyDaSharky]

Its real complex, lets just say Im interested how the country changed from being the loser of world war I to a powerful nation in world war II.

[Roses in the Hospital]

An important thing to remember about Hitler is that all his policies were based around war. He rejuivinated Germany's economy by investing in the arms industries, and setting up projects like the Autobahn, needed for the easy movement of troops and tanks.
It realy annoys me when people say things like,'well Hitler did have some sucessful policies, but he just went to far...'

[Forward Union]

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[SmokeyDaSharky]

heck no. im latino. Parents are from Peru. Would like to visit where my parents were from.

[Forward Union]

Perhaps your not a racist, but I condemn your support for NAZI economic policy.

Your membership will be reviewed in the CC.

[SmokeyDaSharky]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I do have a lot to learn for I am a newbie to this ideology but I was comfortable naturally with it.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 10:33 AM
I was comfortable naturally with it.
So you want the US to undergo the same economic transitions as Germany? Because they were admirable?

Don't defend yourslef here, just tell me if this is true.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 03:59 AM
Its real complex, lets just say Im interested how the country changed from being the loser of world war I to a powerful nation in world war II.
You mean, how it changed from being the loser in WWI to being the loser in WWII?

Anyway, I think you're being evasive, as if you have something to hide. If you're not going to openly say what you think, why post here at all?

[SmokeyDaSharky]

I will stop the Nazi talk and wont mention this again. Sounds like a bad idea to talk about observing all the reactions everyone has. If you dont want to analyze the pros and cons then forget it. Its not like it was all pro. And if you dont want to evolve and build and learn from the past then your'e just narrowminded and dont open your mind. You know what, from the Communist history doesnt sound like our own idoelogies are working either. Soviet Union? Cuba? China? Some poor, some over populated. So what's wrong here. I say you concentrate on how to fix these mistakes rather than worrying about me. So lets stop this and move on.

[Rockfan]

jezz guys, don't pick his eyes out, he said he was a newbie

[SmokeyDaSharky]

hey im a rock fan too man, Lamb of god, System of a down

[Rockfan]

Haha yea mad bro. It's all good aye bro, metal, punk, grunge, thrash.Chur.

[Black Dagger]

Sounds like a bad idea to talk about observing all the reactions everyone has. If you dont want to analyze the pros and cons then forget it.

I'm curious, what were the pros of the Nazi regime?


You know what, from the Communist history doesnt sound like our own idoelogies are working either. Soviet Union? Cuba? China? Some poor, some over populated.

Except that the USSR/Cuba/China weren't/aren't communist regimes. These governments have been variously described as socialist/state capitalist/stalinist/etc.

[bunk]

I'm curious, what were the pros of the Nazi regime?

Rise in living conditions for most German people, destruction of the harsh Versailles treaty hampering Germany during the depression. Jobs for everyone. That's about it.

[Black Dagger]

Josh, my question was specifically aimed at SmokeyDaSharky- you know, for a reason :P I wanted to hear his opinion!

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 01:33 PM
If you dont want to analyze the pros and cons then forget it.
Oh, I do want to analyze the pros and cons. But I don't really think there a whole lot of pros, so I'm asking you what they are. Why so evasive?

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Severian+Oct 30 2005, 01:44 AM--> (Severian @ Oct 30 2005, 01:44 AM)
[email protected] 29 2005, 01:33 PM
If you dont want to analyze the pros and cons then forget it.
Oh, I do want to analyze the pros and cons. But I don't really think there a whole lot of pros, so I'm asking you what they are. Why so evasive? [/b]
Just to be the devils advocate: -

6 million unemployed - 2.5 million unemployed.

[Xvall]

I'm curious, what were the pros of the Nazi regime?

Strong military and strong government. Better economy than that which existed prior to the establishment of the Third Reich. Better social programs than that which existed prior to the establishment of the Third Reich.

[Guerrilla22]

Better socialprograms, unless you were a Jew or other minority. Plus, before the Third reich there essentielly were no social programs, since the country was a monarchy, so that's not saying much.

[Tekun]

Despite the progress and advances that Hitler made for Germany
We must all remember that those advances would eventually bring about the death and destruction of many ppl and a great part of Europe

Im not amazed at how he did it
As much as Im amazed, at how many ppl bought into his "system"

[Led Zeppelin]

Actually, the autobahn and other such projects were planned by the previous government, the Nazis just implemented them.

Plus, the only reason that Germany's economy started to "pick up" was because the Nazi government refused to continue paying war reparations to the "victors" of WW1.

[Plan9]

Nothing really amazing about the Nazis' rise to power, imho. Radio was relatively new back then, and people were more susceptible to propaganda than they are now (I mean, just look at how many cynical people refuse to vote today). Trucks full of propaganda leaflets with mounted loudspeakers would roll around the cities broadcasting their message and people were brainwashed, simple as that (not a hard task when everyone is desperate for bread and work). Also, like someone said, Hitler's entire "economic miracle" rested on the production/mobilization for war. The country was functioning on a war economy even in peace time. In fact, if there was no World War II, Germany's economy would have probably collapsed (Hitler knew this, that's why he started the war, or else he would have been out of a job).

[weazbert]

I think Hitler had little to do with it. I think a large part of it was Conservative middle class reaction to the threat of the lower class placed in the pressure cooker of a severe depression. The socialist party, the SPD wasn't seen as radical enough and represented the status quo which in turned respresented defeat for Germnay in WW1. The Nazi party on the other hand came across as strong, vibrant and radical enough to restore the glory, and moral righteousness of the German nation.

Allen's book the nazi seizure of power , and ian Kershaw's the hitler myth are both outstanding works conducted on the subject.


and i also think its sad that people cant discuss the Nazi regime, without it running out of control. if we don't stufy it and ask questions about it how are we supposed to prevent it from happening again?

Besides, its the history forum, historical analysis is what we are supposed to do :D

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by Enigma+Oct 30 2005, 12:22 AM--> (Enigma @ Oct 30 2005, 12:22 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 01:44 AM

[email protected] 29 2005, 01:33 PM
If you dont want to analyze the pros and cons then forget it.
Oh, I do want to analyze the pros and cons. But I don't really think there a whole lot of pros, so I'm asking you what they are. Why so evasive?
Just to be the devils advocate: -

6 million unemployed - 2.5 million unemployed. [/b]
Yeah and that only lasted for a few years. Ultimately his methods led to Germany's infastructure being completely destroyed, leaving the country in a worse economic state than before the Nazis. The German economy may have never recovered if the US and USSr hadn't each rebuilt the part of the country they were occupying.

[Little Miss Red]

The country of Germany was not a monarchy after Wilheim II's abdication. Like the video in history class said. "He went to Switzerland and was never seen again."

The 2nd Reich, I think was mostly the former nobility;army, pretty much ruled by what we would call Republicans in America. There head was President Hindenburg. Oh, I could go on forever about Hindenburg!Great General.

Basically, some guy burnt the Reichstag, Hitler pinned it on the communists. Now Hitler also hated the Social Democrats "nonsense".
He won elections via mass propraganda. At one point his party was the only one on the ballot.
Then he waited until Hindenburg was on his deathbed to ask for full powers. Well, who says no when they are dying? Yes, he gave into the "mere painter from Munich."