Fascism in the U.K.

[jamieaskew]

There was a topic earlier on discussing fasciam in the US so i thought i would set up a thread for those of us worried about fascism in the U.K.
As our country seems to get richer and richer by exploiting poorer nations, our society seems to be getting more and more obsessed with material posessions and money. The generation of teenagers right now have grown up in a time of prosperity far from the depressing times of poverty and the economic slump of the late 70s and early 80s. I am worried that the way teenagers behave and think these days is so right wing. You do still get the lefty teenagers but the education in schools is so right wing and these students can't look past it.
Also this period of economic prosperity is bound to slump again and when it does the kids of today will not have a clue what to do. In all situations of struggle people tend to turn the extreme wings of politics, in the 80s it was socialism. My fear is that when the period of struggle comes around again (which it will definately do in an economy of frequent boom and bust) the kids will turn to the extremes of the right rather than the left. I can laready see it happening.

[bolshevik butcher]

Well, this seems to be scare mongering a bit. If you look at it the left is actually growing just now, people are getting fed up with new labour and opposing the law.

National front membership in the 70s was mutch higher than bnp membership is today. I see elememnts of racnism, the anti-assylum seeker backlash for instance, but it's not showed it's ugly head as facism yet becasue it wouldnt get support.

By the way I'm at school and seeing past it :P , you shoulda seen the buissness day we had, propoganda form IBM. And about how we can all gro rich and have to 'ignore small people who'll try and stop us.'

[Donnie]

Fascism in Britain is a seriously problem. The aim of most fascist groups and parties is to ‘take over the streets then the sea of politics’.

That’s why it’s important to tackle fascism both ideologically and physically. Physically confrontation on the streets in necessary in order to protect the idea of class struggle and to unite black and white working class communities this is why Antifa Britain is such an important organisation in Britain. UAF are doing nothing to combat fascism in Britain, the last time they did an anti-fascist action was throwing a white dove into the air; what’s this all about?

[*PRC*Kensei]

Belgium is also turning facist :( F I G H T I T ! protest, react, ect ! (i do)

[Master Che]

If you wanna see a good example of a fascist UK see V for vendetta.

[DisIllusion]

Yeah V for Vendetta is kickass. It seems that almost every ruling party in the world is starting to get afraid of losing their power and turning to semi-facism. And personally I can see the extreme-right kids too, since most of the left-wing kids are the ones who hate Bush because Green Day told them to.

[h&s]

There is no reason for fascism to take hold in the UK in the forseable future.
Fascism only ever emerges as a serious force as a reaction to the worker's struggle - basically if it looks like the workers could take over and overthrow capitalism, the ruling classes turn fascist to crush the movement.
There is no revolutionary movement at this moment, so the fascists will not take power.
The fascists that we fight are just the foot-soldiers of the real middle-class reactionaries, that the borgeois leaders used when they needed a mass-movement to support fascism. These thugs will always exist under capitalism, but without their middle-class fascists, they will never do anything.
If anything they are jsut a throwback to the past of fascism - if anything modern fascism will come from the conservative party (like some were considering in the 70's) and the army.

[slim]

Politics in the UK is becoming visibly less democratic with beauracracy everywhere and people feel they have no choice or say in public matters. The right are gaining more empathy from the general public due to their propaganda we see on the television and a hint of ignorant selective reporting.

The left are also growing but not nearly as fast. The right will start the violnce. Then the left will be catapulted into action and numbers will mushroom until a revolutionary situation occurs. It will be a matter of a few years until these dark days arrive. We must be prepared.

Do chara,

Slim. HRA.

[bolshevik butcher]

I don't think that facism as sutch is likely. Racism against muslims and other minoroty qroups to a lesser extent is ramapnt, but this is more part of a divide and rule policy than actaul ideology.

[Donnie]

The political parties that are ment to be standing for our working class people are not doing anything to combat fascism in the UK and so many working class individuals are turning over to fascism and so it's left up to us who have the idea of class struggle to fight fascism.

[bolshevik butcher]

The political parties that are ment to be standing for our working class people are not doing anything.

I'd always thought anarchists oppposed the notion of poltiical parties ;)

Anyway, what you say is true, new labours assylum policy seems to be fanning the flames of facism.

[Intifada]

The "Anti-Terror" laws are indeed paving the way for a more and more undemocratic British society, but in no way can we decsribe Britain as a country in Fascist transition.

[drain.you]

The 'Anti-Terror' legislations they've been attempting to pass through Parliament over the last year has been seriously worrying to me.
House arrest? Arrest without trial? Deportation of people?
Also the fact BNP exists and has funding gives me serious worries.
Chav/charv culture in the UK is balantly ignorant, racist and sexist. Its disgusting.
However Lib Dem are rising in popularity which can't be a bad sign. Just worried about how far the 'War on Terror' will take us to the right.

[comradesteele]

kinda of related but kids in britain are becomming much more materilistic i think. everyone wants an ipod , nike trainers etc

[drain.you]

Yeah I agree, and thats how Marx predicted it : Consumer Fetishism

[camilo_cienfuegos]

the people of britain are inherantly racist, but not facist. i think the nazi bnp and nf will grow in power (as hopefully will our opposition to them) but i dont think they will ever allow the facists into power

[drain.you]

Reckon the Germans ever imagined the Nazis coming to power in their country? I doubt it. Hopefully the same won't happen here. If they do, I'd probably kill myself.

[camilo_cienfuegos]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 11:46 PM
Reckon the Germans ever imagined the Nazis coming to power in their country? I doubt it. Hopefully the same won't happen here. If they do, I'd probably kill myself.
dont kill yourself, join the revolution that will undoubtedely occur if the doomsday scenario of facists in power ever does occur

[DisIllusion]

If there was ever facism in the U.S or U.K, I would fight it to my death. Nobody needs another Nazi Germany.

"I have no fear of falling in battle....as long as somebody picks up my rifle and continues to fight."-Ernesto 'Che' Guevara

[The Living Red]

[/QUOTE]Yeah I agree, and thats how Marx predicted it : Consumer Fetishism

:P lol is that really what he called it?

[bolshevik butcher]

the people of britain are inherantly racist, but not facist.

:o That's a bit of a generalization. I am one of these people, they're are many uk comerades on this board.

[camilo_cienfuegos]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 27 2005, 04:03 PM
the people of britain are inherantly racist, but not facist.

:o That's a bit of a generalization. I am one of these people, they're are many uk comerades on this board.
yes i know there are many good brtish comrades, but i meant the majority

[PRC-UTE]

My British comrades should look at what's happening in the six counties. If they can get away with criminalising a working class party there they can eventually get away with it in Britain.

[h&s]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 10:28 PM
the people of britain are inherantly racist,
That is fucking bollocks. The people of this country are tolerant and embrace other cultures.


My British comrades should look at what's happening in the six counties. If they can get away with criminalising a working class party there they can eventually get away with it in Britain.
&#39;Anti-terror- legislation has always been used against working class organisations... <_<

[Arca]

:o That&#39;s a bit of a generalization. I am one of these people, they&#39;re are many uk comerades on this board.

He&#39;s from England, so am I. I agree though: the majority are racist brainless chavs.

EDIT: I meant younger people

[h&s]

You&#39;re just wrong there.
Some &#39;chavs&#39; are racist, but thats only a minority of them who hang around in gangs together.
I have only ever met a handful of people who are racist.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 02:33 PM

:o That&#39;s a bit of a generalization. I am one of these people, they&#39;re are many uk comerades on this board.

He&#39;s from England, so am I. I agree though: the majority are racist brainless chavs.

EDIT: I meant younger people
I disagree, most chavs aren&#39;t inherintley racist, they&#39;re are proportionatly probably jsut as many asian chavs as white chavs in my area.

[Noah]

I am 14 and go to High School. I feel like i&#39;m the only one with eyes open, everyone is so busy with their hair, ipods, shampoos, over-priced clothers and trainers, silly little electronics.

Also you&#39;ll find, most chavs are racist, I know this for a fact being Arabic.

Politics is so backwards here, you get silly bands like Greenday brainwashing people and just make people sheep.

Then you get the teachers, who make communism sound like the worst system and when I argue everyone mentions, North Korea&#33;? Who aren&#39;t communist&#33; Even the children who never question anything they just accept it they don&#39;t even understand some of the concept of communism.

It&#39;s messed up here indeed.

The stupidest thing I have seen is black gangs being racist to other black gangs. &#39;You&#39;re so black your cum looks like yoghurt&#39;.

Then you get the wannabe rappers who are so materialistic with bling and stuff and think they&#39;re bound to grow up rich and famous if they have the same attitude as 50 cent.

Noah.