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Capitalist Lawyer
25th October 2005, 01:51
I didn't write this but I found it to be rather well written.



CRITIQUE OF MARX'S POLITICAL THEORY

Karl Marx's work laid the foundation for the theories that redefined the left in the nineteenth century. He analyzed capitalism and concluded that while it was productive, the forces that drove it would lead to its inevitable collapse and replacement wi th communism. While Marx gave the world a great deal to think about and has influenced billions, his theories are inherently flawed. Some of the details have been addressed by modern Communists and Socialists, but the basic underlying assumptions of his work, when subjected to scrutiny, seem to conflict with reality. These assumptions lead me to question his conclusions regarding the forces that drive history, the self-consuming nature of capitalist society, and the viability of a communist society.

Marx's first set of assumptions regards the nature of man. He bases his materialist conception of human nature on that of B. Ludwig Fuerbach. Both men believed that a man is a product of his society. Every individual's beliefs, attitudes, and ideas a re absorbed at an early age by exposure to those of the world around him. This argument makes some sense but it ignores two things: the infinite and contradictory variety of experiences any society will produce and the evidence that man's behavior will a lways be guided by certain instincts.

Jeffery Dahmer and Martin Luther King were products of the same society. At some age, humans acquire the ability to learn and make their own decisions. At this point, we are free and can develop any way we choose. In a single day, a human being has bi llions of experiences, and he will learn from many of them. Man not only chooses which experiences to learn from, but what he learns. Which experiences influences us most and the degree of their influence is dependent upon our choices. Those choices are the only thing that separates the Dahmers and Martin Luther Kings of the world. However far into the childhood or the womb you take back our chain of experiences, there must be a starting point. That starting point is our subconscious and our base inst incts.

Man is a product of evolution. When Marx argued that there is no single nature of man because we're simply products of our society, he seemed to be overlooking the forces that made man what he is today. All living organisms possess a survival instinct, without which life could not exist. Humans are no exception; without a survival instinct there would be nothing to prevent us from starving ourselves out of negligence, hurling ourselves off of cliffs, or committing suicide when we're upset, any of whi ch would make the continuation of our species impossible. When we face danger or discomfort, human beings respond at a very basic level. Fear and desire are perfectly natural to us. We are separated from other living things, though, by our ability to reason. Nietzsche's most sensible argument was that conscious thought coupled with our survival instinct generates what he called a "will to power."

"Will to power" is the application of conscious thought to our survival instinct. It allows us to formulate strategies for survival and act upon them. No theory of human nature is plausible unless it has definitive survival value, and it cannot be inhe rent to man unless it's in our genes. If it's not known to be in our DNA, we can't prove that it exists in all men. Survival instinct and conscious thought can be proven, so the existence of a will to power is hard to ignore. Even Marx acknowledges the human will in "Alienated Labor," although it plays no role in his theory.

It is possible that there are other elements of human nature, not accounted for by the will to power, that we have not yet found in our DNA. Looking at human history, we can empirically observe a sense of compassion in men that helps us build the great societies that we have. By compassion, I refer to our general distaste for watching other human beings suffer--those that enjoy suffering cannot function in society, and so do not reproduce as often. Natural selection weeds out people who cannot live wit h others. Marx believed that man could acquire compassion and genuine concern for his comrades simply by making it important in post-capitalist society. This would not only take generations to instill in society, but it there is no reason to believe tha t any given individual would embrace it.

Because Marx's materialist view on humanity does not acknowledge our nature, his ideal reflects the same mistakes. If human nature can be changed, as he feels it can simply by changing our society that we live in, why should we live with the inequities of capitalism? The problem is that his assumptions are backed by no credible arguments. If one accepts the materialist conception of the world at face value, then most of what Marx wrote will be consistent. If one disagrees with the way Marx sees manki nd, however, and takes a more Nietzschean view, the Marxist ideal is a prescription for disaster. Due to our naturally distrustful, greedy, and ambitious natures, which precede capitalism, humans will not motivate themselves to do anything unless there is a reward. Their survival instinct won't let them. Competition isn't just good for men--it's necessary. If there were no competition for the things we need, we would just take them and copulate and nothing else. While the species might survive, it would not progress, and we can live better. Competing for resources forces us to establish our identities and do more than just sit there and exist. Our will to power drives us to accumulate food, money, and control in order to maximize our chances of survival and reproduction. As long as our nature remains unchangeable, We will never be able to adjust to life in a Marxist society.

Marx's economic theory is flawed as well, since it ignores the role of individuals and looks only at groups. The genius of a few individuals is all that has kept mankind raised from the life in nature that Hobbes called "brutish, nasty and short." Th e individuals responsible for these achievements were generally not rewarded until the advent of capitalism and is industrial revolution, which has increased our rates of progress exponentially. If these few contributors weren't punished for their differ ences , they spent their lives working humbly under the "patronage" of feudal lords. Capitalism encourages individuals to make their contributions and spread them throughout the world, raising all of mankind higher and higher from our natural, animal-lik e existence.

Marx utilizes the Hegelian dialectic in his attempt to prove that capitalism will inevitably collapse from the crisis of overproduction and the class conflict caused by enmiseration and alienation. Capitalism, he felt, would inevitably be replaced by s ocialism. Marx died waiting for this revolution to come about, and it never has. Even the Russian and Chinese revolutions cannot be viewed as results of capitalism collapsing, nor can they be seen as socialist states because they retain post-revolution ary class structures and are not radical democracies. While Rosa Luxemberg wrote that while the capitalism will inevitably consume itself and that socialism is a possible option, I go so far as to question the Marxist logic that capitalism is doomed to c ollapse.

The capitalist that Marx evokes in his work is only a caricature of the behavior of capitalists and does not reflect reality as history has shown it to be. Successful capitalists are smart enough to plan for long-term profits in addition to the short-te rm. Like anyone else, they will make mistakes and learn from them. There is a Darwinian process to capitalism, and those unable to account for factors beyond their short-term profits will be replaced by those who can. How many buffalo-fur coat business es do we see? Despite the various crises of the past century, capitalism thrives and shows no major signs of strain. Despite Marx's predictions, capitalism is perfectly capable of inventing new markets to replace saturated ones. If stereo manufacturers can no longer find a market for their goods, they close down and invest their money in a new industry, such as cable television or computers. The crisis of overproduction will never happen because capitalism is flexible and will sacrifice it's short te rm goals to achieve its long term ones.

Marx also never took into account the effect government regulation and welfare would have on the capitalist system. Any business naturally desires monopolies over its markets, but when that is achieved, the consequences are disastrous. The final stage of capitalism, in which trusts and monopolies prevent the economy from running naturally and efficiently, has been prevented by legislation and unionization. None of the problems Marx predicted are unavoidable as long as we do not sink to the level of sh arks.

Marx's alternative to our economic system is dependent on man's ability to work for others without reward. I doubt that man is capable of doing so. If one is to receive the same reward whether one is unemployed, a housewife, retired, a factory worker, or an athlete, who will want to work in the factory? Who would want to be the garbage collector or the ditch-digger? If there is no division of labor and work is not done by specialized professionals, production will fall. Most work is not fun, regardl ess of whether it is for oneself or if it is for an employer who oppresses you. The result of less specialization and fewer working hours is a decline in production. In China, production on collective farms was ridiculously low until the peasants were g iven a parcel of land with which they could raise their own crops. These parcels produced far more than the collective farms themselves, and eventually the collective farms were broken up and leased to families. Production improved, but it is still only 60% of what it could be. The peasants are still too afraid of the government to make the effort to improve the terracing and irrigation. Production can only fall so far before people begin to starve to death. Production is simply not something that an yone should interfere with.

The final assumption Marx makes is that economics are the only force driving history. I feel that this is almost as over simplistic as his labor theory of value. I see a second, subtle, driving force in the struggle between individualism and civilizati on. Men desire the freedom to do as they please, while the existence of civilization both extends his reach and slaps his wrists. In Freud's terms, I would call this the conflict of our collective superegos against our collective ids. Individuals need a bit of "barbarism" to explore themselves and establish our identity. To an extant this requires us to hurt one another, but it is important. If we fail to express ourselves, we are nothing more than cogs in the machine of society. Conflict, competiti on, responsibility, and hope are all parts of the human experience. Establishing identity is impossible without them, and Marx doesn't address the issue of self-realization.

If the community is more important than the individual, as Marx assumes, then we are nothing more than gamete factories existing only to create the next generation. I completely reject this line of thought because I insist that my desires are important and I will spend my short life doing the things that I want to do, regardless of why I want to do those things or who may be offended. I can contribute more to society than my sperm, and I want my children to live better than I have lived. I will reject any system that denies me the right to provide for my children simply because they haven't "earned" it. I have no reason to trust my own welfare or that of my children to anyone but myself and those who have earned my trust. I will continue to make my own decisions, acquire property, protect myself and my loved ones, and try to gain power over the world around me because that is my nature, that is what makes me a human being, regardless of what economic system we live in. Like any other man, I will re spond to any attempt to "redistribute" my property with force. I don't care where it's going, who needs it more, or whether my kids will be taken care of--I will take care of my responsibilities, and other people will take care of their own.

Capitalism will not collapse on its own, but will continue until we have unlimited resources and capitalism is no longer needed. Throughout history, mankind has advanced and progressed and for the past hundred years we've been on a hyperbolic curve head ing up. Eventually, be it in a thousand years or in a million, we will achieve godhood: immortality, omnipotence, and omniscience. Nothing will short of extinction will prevent us from this. We will not simply get halfway there and stop. We are not in herently flawed and we have no limit to our potential. It's only a matter of time until we fulfill it. Progress we make now puts us that much closer to those final goals, and the sooner the better. No system but capitalism can achieve this kind of prog ress at our present rate. We are probably only a generation or two from unlocking the secrets of the aging process and expanding the human life span. We can only imagine what our descendants will be like a million years from now. They probably won't be human as we define ourselves now; they won't need to have a will to power. Only in the absence of need can a utopian system function. The closer we come to reaching godhood, the more Socialist we will become; the way of life described in Star Trek: The Next Generation is made feasible by the invention of replicators capable of making food and equipment from worthless material. When we are all-powerful, we will presumably approach Marxism and Anarchism.

Marx was fairly consistent, but his assumptions are highly questionable. His most valuable contribution was his analysis of capitalism and his presentation of its dangers. He wrote to organize workers and help them end their oppression, but capitalism is probably their best hope for a better life and a better life for their children. Unless a society is so prosperous it can afford to do no work, a socialist revolution will result only in violence and what Trotsky called "the redistribution of poverty. " A society needs a healthy economy to support itself, let alone advance, and due to human nature, that requires capitalism.

Link (http://www.ninjalawyer.com/writing/marx.html)

Severian
25th October 2005, 03:07
Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 24 2005, 07:35 PM
Jeffery Dahmer and Martin Luther King were products of the same society. At some age, humans acquire the ability to learn and make their own decisions.
Doy! Really! There can be different people in the same society! I never woulda guessed that, and I'm sure Marx never realized this oh-so-difficult insight either.

This isn't a critique of Marx's theories...it's a critique of an oversimplified version of 'em, which the writer made up him/herself.

Marx pointed out some general trends....that isn't to say he denied the existence of individual variation. It's just that individual variation tends to average out.

The rest similarly involves a serious of misconceptions of Marx, along with speculative or just plain false assertions about the world. (For example, the assertion that successful capitalists pursue long-term profit! Has the writer never heard of a speculative bubble or a leveraged buyout?

Reds
25th October 2005, 03:21
several points of this critique are out of touch with reality such as its based to much on Nietzsche.

NovelGentry
25th October 2005, 03:23
This argument makes some sense but it ignores two things: the infinite and contradictory variety of experiences any society will produce and the evidence that man's behavior will a lways be guided by certain instincts.

Marx never ignores the fact that such a philosophy creates an infinite variety of experiences, and thus creates an infinite degree of individuals -- that is afterall what Marx would posit we get our individualism from. What Marx points out is the general motions within such things and primarily the influences that our material consciousness play on where we stand when it comes to overcoming those material limitation.

Evidence that productive consciousness plays a huge role in this is witness in Argentina already where some opposition to the worker controlled factories has noted, "however, it does seem to make people more aware of production and generally that means they work harder and with more care and interest." That's not an exact quote, and I'd love to source it for you, but it comes directly from notes on a Seminar I just went to this afternoon on the issue.

Marx also doesn't ignore that behavior will be guided by certain instincts, quite the contary, he relies on it, even if never saying so directly. For example, the division of labor and thus all his basis for alienation rises from the conflict between scarcity and individual instinctual will to survive (antagonised further by a lack of developed means of production).


At some age, humans acquire the ability to learn and make their own decisions. At this point, we are free and can develop any way we choose.

But where do they learn from? Society. Where does society learn from? Past society. On what do they base their decisions? From the things they've learned from society, or from prior experiences with their engagement in society.

Even still, we are never capable of developing any way we choose. There are always material realities to face, which no decision, no matter how a great a will you have, can overcome. One could not decide to do nothing (literally nothing) and expect to live. Marx focuses primarily on these material realities and the necessities because they are certain for us as people.


In a single day, a human being has bi llions of experiences, and he will learn from many of them.

And billions more which he does not consciously ponder which will shape and affect him regardless of his conscious will.


Which experiences influences us most and the degree of their influence is dependent upon our choices.

Blatantly false, the experience of starving to death might have very little to do with your choices depending on the circumstances. Such an experience will change you for life, if you ever pull out of it that is.



I'm not going to respond to the rest of this nonsense. It sounds like it was written by someone who took an intro to philosophy class to examine "free will" philosophy and found it in conflict with some of the ideas presented on the wikipedia page on Marx. It shows a complete lack of understanding of Marx's work and overall philosophy and a rudementary knowledge (at best) of the real issues when dealing with such subject.

workersunity
25th October 2005, 23:41
so instead of trying to critique it yourself you rely on some bourgeois intellectual that doesnt grasp marx's theories and likes to use much wordplay

good job cappie

Luís Henrique
25th October 2005, 23:45
Marx's first set of assumptions regards the nature of man. He bases his materialist conception of human nature on that of B. Ludwig Fuerbach.

False.


Both men believed that a man is a product of his society.

What Marx says is, "men make their history, but not in conditions of their choice, rather in the conditions historically handed down to them".


This argument makes some sense but it ignores two things: the infinite and contradictory variety of experiences any society will produce and the evidence that man's behavior will a lways be guided by certain instincts.

Ie, Marx ignores both the infinite and contradictory variety of experiences, and the uniform imbecile instinctive human reaction to them... This would be funny if it wasn't so presumptuous...


Jeffery Dahmer and Martin Luther King were products of the same society.

At different places, with different teachers, different company, different social class, different everything else. Only someone who never read any Marx at all would propose that he wrote that each society only produces uniform people like an antnest!


At some age, humans acquire the ability to learn and make their own decisions. At this point, we are free and can develop any way we choose.

"men make their history, but not in conditions of their choice, rather in the conditions historically handed down to them". That's why we have so few defenders of slavery these days: while we "are free", we most probably won't "choose" to "develop" in the "way" of becoming ideological proponents of slavery.


Those choices are the only thing that separates the Dahmers and Martin Luther Kings of the world. However far into the childhood or the womb you take back our chain of experiences, there must be a starting point. That starting point is our subconscious and our base inst incts.

But the point of the writer was, "man's behavior will always be guided by certain instincts". Now it seems that Luther King and Jeffrey Dahmer were guided by different instincts. So it seem that rather "man's behaviour will in some cases be guided by certain instincts, and in other cases by other instincts". Which doesn't read very sound, and frankly, pretending that this is a criticism of Marx is a gross exaggeration...


Man is a product of evolution. When Marx argued that there is no single nature of man because we're simply products of our society, he seemed to be overlooking the forces that made man what he is today. All living organisms possess a survival instinct, without which life could not exist.

Then, if men are not different from amoebae in what comes to this, why did men wrote the Odissey, or invent the H-bomb, while amoebae are intestinal parasites? If they are equal, what is the difference?


Humans are no exception; without a survival instinct there would be nothing to prevent us from starving ourselves out of negligence, hurling ourselves off of cliffs, or committing suicide when we're upset, any of which would make the continuation of our species impossible.

We do all of those things. While other mammals don't. We also usually believe it is a sign of our greater intelligence, morality or value. How many animals would risk their lives to save a comrade?


When we face danger or discomfort, human beings respond at a very basic level. Fear and desire are perfectly natural to us.

Yet we respond in very different ways. There are those who face their fears and those who cower to them.


We are separated from other living things, though, by our ability to reason. Nietzsche's most sensible argument was that conscious thought coupled with our survival instinct generates what he called a "will to power."

Perhaps. I have not read Nietzsche deeply enough to contend with this. And I won't try to "demolish" an author I have barely read. I will leave it as this writer's privilege.


"Will to power" is the application of conscious thought to our survival instinct. It allows us to formulate strategies for survival and act upon them. No theory of human nature is plausible unless it has definitive survival value, and it cannot be inherent to man unless it's in our genes. If it's not known to be in our DNA, we can't prove that it exists in all men. Survival instinct and conscious thought can be proven, so the existence of a will to power is hard to ignore.

IF we agree that "survival instinct"+"conscious thought"="will to power". Maybe Nietzsche demonstrated it, but our writer here has not, and has not convincingly shown that Nietzsche did it.


Even Marx acknowledges the human will in "Alienated Labor," although it plays no role in his theory.

Duh.

If "alienated labour" includes "human will", and, as we know, "alienated labour" plays a central role in Marx's theory, our writer can at most argue that Marx does not clearly develop the meaning of "human will", but to say that it "plays no role in his theory" is absurd.


It is possible that there are other elements of human nature, not accounted for by the will to power, that we have not yet found in our DNA. Looking at human history, we can empirically observe a sense of compassion in men that helps us build the great societies that we have. By compassion, I refer to our general distaste for watching other human beings suffer--those that enjoy suffering cannot function in society, and so do not reproduce as often. Natural selection weeds out people who cannot live with others.

Rather natural selection would have done that to all primates, much before humans appeared.


Marx believed that man could acquire compassion and genuine concern for his comrades simply by making it important in post-capitalist society.

This is false.


This would not only take generations to instill in society, but it there is no reason to believe that any given individual would embrace it.

A minute ago it was already a general trait of mankind; now it is difficult to believe that "any given individual would embrace it"?


Because Marx's materialist view on humanity does not acknowledge our nature, his ideal reflects the same mistakes. If human nature can be changed, as he feels it can simply by changing our society that we live in, why should we live with the inequities of capitalism? The problem is that his assumptions are backed by no credible arguments.

How not? It is just possible to assess what men would believe part of their "nature" in a slavery based society, in a feudal society, or in a capitalist society, to see how much the "human nature", as figured out by humans, has changed.


If one accepts the materialist conception of the world at face value, then most of what Marx wrote will be consistent. If one disagrees with the way Marx sees mankind, however, and takes a more Nietzschean view, the Marxist ideal is a prescription for disaster. Due to our naturally distrustful, greedy, and ambitious natures, which precede capitalism, humans will not motivate themselves to do anything unless there is a reward.

This comes in complete contradiction with the previous passage in which it was demonstrated that "compassion" was a part of human nature. And, of course, just like in war we put aside our instinctive compassion and shoot'em right between their eyes, in - oh, let's remain in the same example - in war itself we get beyond our instinctive need to distrust our comrades and steal their uniform, and cooperate with them to the end of killing our common enemies. It is not my just my instinct, or exclusively my rational thought, or an abstract combination of both that makes me cooperate with Juca and Zeca to kill Hans and Fritz, instead of joining Hans and Fritz to kill Juca and Zeca. It is my Brazilian uniform, and what it sociologically means, as opposed to a German uniform.


Their survival instinct won't let them. Competition isn't just good for men--it's necessary.

Unless, of course, we work together in the same assembly line; then the overlooker will quickly fire those of us that disrupt the line just to show better than the others. But rather we should think of the assembly line as inherently inhuman? Or of the workers as a whole as untermenschen?


Our will to power drives us to accumulate food, money, and control in order to maximize our chances of survival and reproduction.

Only as long as food, money, and control are accumalateable... Why don't we accumulate oxygen? And only as long as accumulating them is not contradictory with other social (social, not natural!) requirements. Some Polinesians have a cerimonyt called potlacht - in which those who have accumulated wealth during the year waste it in great parties. Those who waste more obtain more prestige, and those societies value prestige over wealth. Also notice medieval pogroms, in which land accumulators used to eliminate money accumulators to retain power...


As long as our nature remains unchangeable, We will never be able to adjust to life in a Marxist society.

Likewise, we have never been able to adjust to life in a feudal, capitalist or slave-based society. We don't adjust to societies, we change them. The difference here is that there isn't something as a "Marxist society", not even as a proposal.


Marx's economic theory is flawed as well, since it ignores the role of individuals and looks only at groups.

False.


The genius of a few individuals is all that has kept mankind raised from the life in nature that Hobbes called "brutish, nasty and short."

Nonsense. Hieron of Alexandria invented the steam machine 2,000 years before Watt, and it remained a curiousity, until it was overall forgotten. What made the genial invention of Watt useful (and the genial invention of Hieron useless) were the different social conditions in which they respectively made their genial inventions.

Sheesh! it is even a commonplace among modern experts in science and technology that American superiority over the SU wasn't in the ability of their respective scientists (the Soviets were as good as, if not better, than their counterpart), but in the vastly superior ability of American economy and society to transform scientific discovery into practical devices.


The individuals responsible for these achievements were generally not rewarded until the advent of capitalism and is industrial revolution, which has increased our rates of progress exponentially. If these few contributors weren't punished for their differences , they spent their lives working humbly under the "patronage" of feudal lords.

Exactly. So the genius of a few individuals isn't enough; it must be complemented by a social (social!) system that rewards their genius.


Capitalism encourages individuals to make their contributions and spread them throughout the world, raising all of mankind higher and higher from our natural, animal-like existence.

Which is plainly recognised by Marx; only someone who is criticising from a position of complete, possibly willfull, ignorance would state otherwise.

Also our writer has suspiciously changed his position in a quasi-comical way: a moment before, we were talking instincts and a few geniuses. Now we are talking - quite Marxistically - about a social system that socially rewards some instincts (instead of others) and individual acquisitions (again instead of others). But anti-Marxist writers are usually divided between those who agree with Marx until it comes to capitalism, and then diverge from him, and those who diverge from him from the beggining, either falsifying History to find capitalism back into Stone Age, or falsifying Marx theories to accuse him of having a different stand from theirs - which, obviously, is the case of our present genius...


Marx utilizes the Hegelian dialectic in his attempt to prove that capitalism will inevitably collapse from the crisis of overproduction and the class conflict caused by enmiseration and alienation.

Yes, this is what a phylosophy handbook would state. But we shouldn't criticise an author after what the phylosophy handbook states about him/her, but for what s/he effectively wrote...


The capitalist that Marx evokes in his work is only a caricature of the behavior of capitalists and does not reflect reality as history has shown it to be. Successful capitalists are smart enough to plan for long-term profits in addition to the short-term.

Yes... it reminds me a joke about a stock-market expert explaining how he did his business: "Well" he goes, "we must take into account short-term factors, but of course long-term factors are more important..." Someone interrupts: "Sir, what do you mean by long-term factors?" He answers: "anything lasting more than fifteen minutes."


Like anyone else, they will make mistakes and learn from them. There is a Darwinian process to capitalism, and those unable to account for factors beyond their short-term profits will be replaced by those who can.

Certainly. Unhappily, unlike real Darwinian process, the environment (how many times it will be necessary to explain that "darwinist" explanations disconnected from the concept of environment are pseudo-science?) isn't stable enough to make those who survive a momentary struggle significantly more adjusted to the following moment. "What it takes" to be a succesful capitalist in the conditions of the 1925 boom isn not "what it takes" to be a succesful capitalist in the conditions of 1929 depression.


How many buffalo-fur coat businesses do we see? Despite the various crises of the past century, capitalism thrives and shows no major signs of strain. Despite Marx's predictions, capitalism is perfectly capable of inventing new markets to replace saturated ones.

Of course, this only means that the writer does not understand Marx's stand on overproduction.


If stereo manufacturers can no longer find a market for their goods, they close down and invest their money in a new industry, such as cable television or computers. The crisis of overproduction will never happen because capitalism is flexible and will sacrifice it's short term goals to achieve its long term ones.

"Capitalism" is not going to do anything! Capitalists would have to sacrifice their short term goals - which they obviously can't because attaining their short-term goals is what keeps them "alive in the market" to struggle for their long-term goals...

But eve if they could, the overproduction crisis - which happen all the time - do not stem from capitalist's fixation in the short term, but in the increasing composition of capital.


Marx also never took into account the effect government regulation and welfare would have on the capitalist system. Any business naturally desires monopolies over its markets, but when that is achieved, the consequences are disastrous. The final stage of capitalism, in which trusts and monopolies prevent the economy from running naturally and efficiently, has been prevented by legislation and unionization.

Tell that to the libertarians and "anarcho-capitalists"! :lol:


None of the problems Marx predicted are unavoidable as long as we do not sink to the level of sharks.

Yes; the question is, does capitalism not require that we sink to that level?


Marx's alternative to our economic system is dependent on man's ability to work for others without reward.

This is worse than false, it is ridiculous.


I doubt that man is capable of doing so.

Ever heard of slavery?


If one is to receive the same reward whether one is unemployed, a housewife, retired, a factory worker, or an athlete, who will want to work in the factory?

Well, an athlete earns much more - and works much less - than a factory worker. Yet, there are more factory workers than athletes. Also, a housewife works as much as a factory worker, and earns nothing in relation with her own work, but rather in relation with how much her husband work/non work makes. And, of course, retired people do not work - as a principle - but earn money. Obviously our writer needs to work his maths a little more; they seem unrelated to reality.


Who would want to be the garbage collector or the ditch-digger?

Usually those professions are very poorly paid - and who wants to be the garbage collector or the ditch-digger and on top be ill-paid? Yet, a capitalist society isn't usually in short of those professionals. So the secret for the recruitment of garbage collectors etc. must be different from this sugar-watery solution of "work for reward".


If there is no division of labor and work is not done by specialized professionals, production will fall.

The point of this being? Ah, yes. Marx was against division of labour. :rolleyes: Where does this guy get his information on Marx?


Most work is not fun, regardless of whether it is for oneself or if it is for an employer who oppresses you.

Yet this writer worked so much in his text... I wonder if it was for "reward" - specially that only kind of "reward" he probably understands, ie, money, or if he actually enjoyed writing his drivel?


The result of less specialization and fewer working hours is a decline in production.

Specialisation, see above. Fewer hours... I remember another wannabe debunker of Marx (Drucker, no less!) stating pompously that Marxism failed because Marx didn't understand that labour productivity could be improved. According to Drucker, our poor writer here is certainly doomed to unprecedent failure, because he obviously hasn't been introduced to the notion of increasing of labour productivity!


The final assumption Marx makes is that economics are the only force driving history.

False...!


I feel that this is almost as over simplistic as his labor theory of value.

Labour theory of value that our valiant writer didn't criticise at all, yet invites us to consider "simplistic"...


I see a second, subtle, driving force in the struggle between individualism and civilization. Men desire the freedom to do as they please, while the existence of civilization both extends his reach and slaps his wrists. In Freud's terms, I would call this the conflict of our collective superegos against our collective ids. Individuals need a bit of "barbarism" to explore themselves and establish our identity. To an extant this requires us to hurt one another, but it is important.

All very nice and abstractly correct. Yet I can hurt someone by stabbing him in the chest, stealing his land, starving him if he does not makes bricks or sausages for me, or, even, by proving that his so-called intellectual work is garbage... Not difficult to understand that, under that general and abstract concept of "hurting", we are indeed discussing very different things, isn't it?


If we fail to express ourselves, we are nothing more than cogs in the machine of society.

Precisely! Precisely!

We have this horrible difficulty to express ourselves by making always equal sausages or bricks for an equally invariably capitalist! We are nothing more than cogs in the machine of society! And, by gosh, we are going to end that, if it kills us!


Conflict, competition, responsibility, and hope are all parts of the human experience. Establishing identity is impossible without them, and Marx doesn't address the issue of self-realization.

He does, of course. Only it is in the small (99.99%) part of his work our present hero hasn't read...


If the community is more important than the individual, as Marx assumes,

Faaaaaalse!


then we are nothing more than gamete factories existing only to create the next generation. I completely reject this line of thought because I insist that my desires are important and I will spend my short life doing the things that I want to do, regardless of why I want to do those things or who may be offended.

Yup. His will to spend his short life writing drivel against workers, to convince us that piling bricks is an expression of our desires, however, comes in conflict with our hopes, and because of that, we will stick to a vision that competes favourably with his nonsense.


I can contribute more to society than my sperm, and I want my children to live better than I have lived. I will reject any system that denies me the right to provide for my children simply because they haven't "earned" it.

Things are getting worse, it seems that our hero is going mentally ill. The following paragraph, that I will not quote, seems to prove it.


Capitalism will not collapse on its own, but will continue until we have unlimited resources and capitalism is no longer needed.

Now.


Marx was fairly consistent, but his assumptions are highly questionable. His most valuable contribution was his analysis of capitalism and his presentation of its dangers. He wrote to organize workers and help them end their oppression, but capitalism is probably their best hope for a better life and a better life for their children.

"we are nothing more than cogs in the machine of society" and this brings us no hope of a better life!


Unless a society is so prosperous it can afford to do no work, a socialist revolution will result only in violence and what Trotsky called "the redistribution of poverty. " A society needs a healthy economy to support itself, let alone advance, and due to human nature, that requires capitalism.

Again, contradictory... unless he believes that "scarcity" is a part of "human nature".

Very weak.

Luís Henrique

redstar2000
28th October 2005, 10:39
Most curious. A "critique" of Marx based on Nietzsche and Freud...two figures that are only of historical interest now. Talk about intellectual desperation!

What I find interesting is that "officially", communism "is dead". And yet the polemics continue to appear. That is, young reactionaries evidently don't really believe that "communism is dead"...otherwise why would they continue to write polemics against it.

Do they sense, better than we sometimes do, that the world that neo-conservatives have made cannot stand? Do they find "dog eat dog" and "root, hog, or die" to be somehow unsatisfying?

Even in the midst of their "great victory over communism", the "specter" continues to "haunt" their dreams.

As well it should. :lol:

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The Garbage Disposal Unit
28th October 2005, 16:30
So the pseudo-science of Freud and unashamed irrationalism of Neitzche is grounds for a critique of Marxist conceptions of history? Ug.

And yet, as though that weren't enough, he continues on to say that capitalism will lead us to Godhood?
His "Works Consulted" include those of Orson Scott Card - the science fiction writer?

Seriously, this has to be a joke.

dakewlguy
30th October 2005, 22:10
There's a lot of ways to criticize Marx, this is not a very good way though.