FARC

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

what do they stand for?
and any other info about them

[Bolshevist]

This interview from ColombiaJournal gives a pretty good image of what is going on inside FARC:

http://www.colombiajournal.org/colombia15.htm

[Alice in Ganjaland]

I hope this is not too late, but you can also check out their official website:

http://www.farcep.org/

[A Man of no Nation]

I think FARC should start over...a clean slate. The have a great ideology, however they have become more corrupt than those greedy capitalists that are trying to destroy. They are slowly creating their own class system and have done very little to help their own people.

They have done nothing but spread fear and instability throught the nation by killing thousands of people and have the world record for the most kidnapings. Is this the way to win the hearts of the people?...Not at all!

They claim to be lefists, but have become a greedy empire through the drug trade. You think that drug money is going back to the people, not at all.

The hardline rightwing Colombian president also has a 70% approval rating. This is sad, my leftwing comrades. We need a new approach to the revolution in Colombia. The FARC has a lot to learn from Zapatista Revolution.

WIN THE HEARTS OF THE PEOPLE FIRST, THEN THE REVOLUTION CAN BEGIN.

Trust me, I live in Quito, Ecuador and my girlfriend lives in Cali, Colombia...I know what shit they are pulling everyday.

Anyway, if I am missing something (which I know I am), feel free to send me a message: [email protected]

gracias, viva revolucion

[Alice in Ganjaland]

Originally posted by A Man of no [email protected] 25 2005, 09:57 PM
I think FARC should start over...a clean slate. The have a great ideology, however they have become more corrupt than those greedy capitalists that are trying to destroy. They are slowly creating their own class system and have done very little to help their own people.

They have done nothing but spread fear and instability throught the nation by killing thousands of people and have the world record for the most kidnapings. Is this the way to win the hearts of the people?...Not at all!

They claim to be lefists, but have become a greedy empire through the drug trade. You think that drug money is going back to the people, not at all.

The hardline rightwing Colombian president also has a 70% approval rating. This is sad, my leftwing comrades. We need a new approach to the revolution in Colombia. The FARC has a lot to learn from Zapatista Revolution.

WIN THE HEARTS OF THE PEOPLE FIRST, THEN THE REVOLUTION CAN BEGIN.

Trust me, I live in Quito, Ecuador and my girlfriend lives in Cali, Colombia...I know what shit they are pulling everyday.

Anyway, if I am missing something (which I know I am), feel free to send me a message: [email protected]

gracias, viva revolucion
That's really sad. They had such good intentions in the beginning...I was honestly thinking of joining them lol. :(

Thanks for that bit of info ;)

[chebol]

A Man of no Nation,
did you even read the interview?

What proof do you have for your ridiculous claim that "they have become more corrupt than those greedy capitalists that are trying to destroy?"

Oh, sure, the FARC "have done nothing but spread fear and instability throught the nation"? So the army, the government, the narcos, the AUC, these are entirely secondary to the FARC? The FARC don't protect people from these genocidal maniacs?

"They claim to be lefists, but have become a greedy empire through the drug trade. You think that drug money is going back to the people, not at all."

Proof that they have "become a greedy empire through the drug trade"? You don't have any. It's an empty assertion. Just because you live (or at least claim to) in Quito, doesn't guarantee that you have a clear understanding of what's going on.
And why would a guerrilla army give all it's money to the people- in the middle of a war?!?!? It's not a farming co-operative. The drug money is going to the AUC, the narcos, the army, the state and the dealers- very little goes to the campesinos themselves, but they are not able to make a living off anything else.

"The hardline rightwing Colombian president also has a 70% approval rating. This is sad, my leftwing comrades. We need a new approach to the revolution in Colombia. The FARC has a lot to learn from Zapatista Revolution."

It is CLAIMED that he has a 70% approval rating. Who was asking? Where? Whom? I for one don't believe it, and nor do most Colombians I know. (As a point of reference, the corporate media in Ecuador was claiming Gutierrez had overwhelming support just before April this year, weren't they?)


The Zapatistas have not got a new approach to revolution. What they have been living the past few years (and are now breaking out of, because they KNOW it has failed) is an approach of capitulation. The EZLN has a lot to learn from the FARC (including from it's mistakes- which there many of).

You are missing a lot comrade. I suggest you do some more research.

[Alice in Ganjaland]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 12:28 AM
A Man of no Nation,
did you even read the interview?

What proof do you have for your ridiculous claim that "they have become more corrupt than those greedy capitalists that are trying to destroy?"

Oh, sure, the FARC "have done nothing but spread fear and instability throught the nation"? So the army, the government, the narcos, the AUC, these are entirely secondary to the FARC? The FARC don't protect people from these genocidal maniacs?

"They claim to be lefists, but have become a greedy empire through the drug trade. You think that drug money is going back to the people, not at all."

Proof that they have "become a greedy empire through the drug trade"? You don't have any. It's an empty assertion. Just because you live (or at least claim to) in Quito, doesn't guarantee that you have a clear understanding of what's going on.
And why would a guerrilla army give all it's money to the people- in the middle of a war?!?!? It's not a farming co-operative. The drug money is going to the AUC, the narcos, the army, the state and the dealers- very little goes to the campesinos themselves, but they are not able to make a living off anything else.

"The hardline rightwing Colombian president also has a 70% approval rating. This is sad, my leftwing comrades. We need a new approach to the revolution in Colombia. The FARC has a lot to learn from Zapatista Revolution."

It is CLAIMED that he has a 70% approval rating. Who was asking? Where? Whom? I for one don't believe it, and nor do most Colombians I know. (As a point of reference, the corporate media in Ecuador was claiming Gutierrez had overwhelming support just before April this year, weren't they?)


The Zapatistas have not got a new approach to revolution. What they have been living the past few years (and are now breaking out of, because they KNOW it has failed) is an approach of capitulation. The EZLN has a lot to learn from the FARC (including from it's mistakes- which there many of).

You are missing a lot comrade. I suggest you do some more research.
Very interesting. I have not had the chance lately to do much research about the FARC but this is all very interesting. Thanks for that bit of information, chebol. :)

[The Grey Blur]

I'm not too knowledgable about FARC or Columbia in general but there was a good point made that they must win the support of the people before they can win the war; this must be achieved through means that avoid the drugs-trade. Being involved with drugs in any form discredits you're movement. I am not overly anti-drugs but I believe popular support can't be won when criminality and/or corruption (i.e infiltration) is prevalent in a group. Also, the point that they 'can't make money' any other way is in my opinion ridiculous; there were/are many struggles in South America that avoided growing cocaine and other drugs.

[The Grey Blur]

There's no corruption,
We can't be 100% sure (with the amount of money that can be made from the coke-growing it wouldn't surprise me) although I doubt there is much corruption - what I actually meant was infiltration/penetration by state forces; I'm sure FARC is riddled with informers at lower levels and collaborators at a higher level.


you're making statements with no proof.
No I'm not, I made sure it was apparent that these were my own musings, not statements of fact; you shouldn't jump to conclusions.


If you go to Colombia, the people in the FARC-controlled zones are the happiest and safest.
:lol: GOOD!

P.S: I am just getting round to reading the article now - I know I shouldn't have posted without reading it but I just wanted to make my position clear on drugs at least.

P.P.S: I support FARC! (Just to clarify ;) )

[A Man of no Nation]

My problem is I have no idea who to believe. Both sides seem to be corrupt. I speak with my comrades (which are Communistic Ecuatorianos) and they seem to be in favor of the FARC. But when I speak to my friends in Colombia, they tell me different stories. My girlfriend lives in Cali, where the conflict is close to home. Colombians are tired of the war, and they want to just get on with their lives...not living in fear. I even read in the AP that 70% of the Colombians are in favor of their president (chucha tu madre)...however, this may be missleading.

I am visiting Colombia in November and I will be living there for two months. Maybe I should conduct my own journal entry by meeting members from the FARC-EP myself. To get the correcrt information. But then again, I am not sure that I can even trust the FARC.

The truth is that I am torn between my beliefs and the FARC. I want to fight along with the FARC-EP, I would be more than happy to die fighting against those imperialists. The problem is that I do not agree with the methods of FARC. I think the FARC needs to start over, start fresh and with more support. A new image, a new revolution.

There are pros and cons, but I cannot make up my mind. So far, from what I have heard (from the news, my leftwing commrads in Colombia and my Colombian friends living in the united states) that they are too extreme and are not doing any good for the people of Colombia.

abrazos mis hermanos

buen suerte y hasta la victoria siempre

-a man of no nation

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Here is some links that may be very useful. Analyze it all my friends, some may be propaganda, regardless of pro or con.

http://www.farcep.org/pagina_ingles/

http://www.farcep.org/

http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/farc.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FARC

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/farc.htm

http://cocaine.org/colombia/farc.html

http://www.ict.org.il/inter_ter/orgdet.cfm?orgid=37

http://cfrterrorism.org/groups/farc.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1746777.stm

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Publ...7yckaw.asp?pg=2 (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/177yckaw.asp?pg=2)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4528109.stm

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2004/582/582p20.htm

http://www.hrw.org/reports98/colombia/Colom989-05.htm

http://www.counterpunch.org/brittain10202004.html

[Colombia]

This is Aasin A Man of No Nation from Myspace. Why did you never mention before your mixed feelings of the FARC-EP?

Also on the drug aspect. Colombia ranks 3rd in the world for US military aid. With the collapse of the USSR, how else can the FARC-EP maintain the struggle. When they first started out, they even opposed cocaine, but times are different and getting money is much harder than before so they turned to the cocaine business. Let me make this clear right now, the FARC-EP do not make the cocaine they just tax the people who do.

Also why should we deny something someone wants? The FARC-EP are not forcing you to snort the cocaine and people choose to do so on their own free will. You and I have no right to say they shouldn't do what they wish unto themselves.