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The Grey Blur
21st October 2005, 16:13
Special sitting for Adams at parliament


South Africa’s parliament in Cape Town yesterday convened a special sitting that was officially addressed by Sinn Féin president Gerry Adams. During the keynote address which took place in the Old Assembly of the parliament, Mr Adams was formally hosted by the acting speaker Geoffrey Doidge.
Mr Adams also held a private lunch with 20 senior figures from key parliamentary committees, including defence and foreign affairs. He described his official invitation to address parliamentarians as an “exceptional honour”.
Mninwa Mahlangu, chairperson of the National Council of Provinces, said that the South African parliament “attach a strong significance” to Mr Adams’ visit.
Referring to the recent moves by the IRA as “commendable steps”, Mr Mahlangu expressed hope that the peace process will now be revived.
During a session that lasted 50 minutes, scores of parliamentary representatives from all South Africa’s main political parties heard Mr Adams discussing the Irish peace process in the context of global developments.
“Irish republicans have always been firmly internationalists: our roots lie in the French revolution and the American revolution,” Mr Adams said.
“Our core political value is based on the right of human beings to be free citizens – liberated, empowered and equal.
“The founders of Irish republicanism saw themselves as citizens of the world and the Irish fight for freedom as part of a worldwide struggle of humanity. That remains Sinn Féin’s view today,” Mr Adams said.
The Sinn Féin president told parliamentarians that “the great social, economic and environmental problems” of the world must be tackled by international co-operation among nations.
Mr Adams called for “strategic partnership” between the developed world and the developing world, “not as an act of charity – but as part of our duty and responsibility towards other human beings”.
“We are delighted to see the decline of the old empires but we are conscious that the old imperial powers continue to seek ways to exploit their former colonies,” he added.
Highlighting that over one fifth of the world’s population live on less than a dollar-per-day, Mr Adams insisted that “another world – a world of equals – is possible”.
“This requires a United Nations which can assert an agenda which reflects the true needs and interests of the peoples of the world.
“In other words, efforts to reform and democratise the United Nations must continue. We believe that foreign debts of developing countries must be cancelled. We believe poverty can be eradicated.
“We believe that the cause of international security has to shift from a purely militaristic agenda which attacks democratic and civil rights in particular countries to deal with the real causes of insecurity in the world.
“We believe that the global economy must be re-organised to allow developing countries the freedom to develop socially and economically – to manage their own resources with the developed countries paying fair prices for their products.”
Mr Adams said the anti-apartheid struggle demonstrated that seemingly unalterable conditions can be completely transformed.
“We can make the world a better place by making our own countries – our own regions of the world – better places.
“Let no one here be in any doubt – the end of apartheid has made a huge contribution to this cause.
“Of course there is a lot more to be done, but progressive and freedom loving people everywhere owe a great debt of gratitude to the people of South Africa.”
Mr Adams recalled that South African media censorship in 1977 and the British ban on Sinn Féin in 1998 were both imposed on October 19, remembered this week in South Africa by Media Freedom Day.
“I note these dates so that we can judge how far our progressive causes have advanced since then.
“The peace process is a journey. The milestones on that journey have been signposted since the IRA cessation of 1994 through to the recent IRA initiatives to formally call an end to its armed campaign and to put its weapons beyond use.
“There are two big challenges facing Sinn Féin in the next phase of the peace process. One is to keep the British government to its commitments. The other is to end the scourge of sectarianism in Ireland, to forge a new relationship between unionism and the rest of us.
“I believe there are lessons to be learned from your process of national reconciliation and I am pleased that the President and Foreign Minister Zuma are prepared to facilitate this, if and when this is necessary.”
Noting the historical contact throughout the last century between Irish republicans, such as Arthur Griffith, with ANC comrades, Mr Adams declared: “What we want in Ireland is what you have achieved in South Africa. We want our freedom. It is my conviction that this is achievable.”
Mr Adams closed his speech with a quote from the Bobby Sands poem The Rhythm of Time.

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PRC-UTE
21st October 2005, 18:18
Did he have his big pipe with him?


Noting the historical contact throughout the last century between Irish republicans, such as Arthur Griffith, with ANC comrades, Mr Adams declared: “What we want in Ireland is what you have achieved in South Africa. We want our freedom. It is my conviction that this is achievable.”
Mr Adams closed his speech with a quote from the Bobby Sands poem The Rhythm of Time.


Arthur Griffith wasn't a republican.

SF have close ties to the ANC though, don't they.

The Grey Blur
21st October 2005, 21:49
There are extremey close ties between the former anti-apartheid coalition and Sinn Féin; it is in fact the trump card for those who brand the IRA or Sinn Féin as terrorists -

Me - "Did you support the anti-apartheid movement of the ANC in South Africa"

Reactionary - "Uhhh...yes, of course I did"

Me - "What difference is there between the context of Republicans struggle in Ireland and that of Mandela & co.?"

Reactionary - "...."

BTW - Arthur Griffith was the founder of Sinn Féin and he isn't a republican? :huh:

PRC-UTE
21st October 2005, 22:09
BTW - Arthur Griffith was the founder of Sinn Féin and he isn't a republican?

No, he was for a dual monarchy. He was also bitterly anti-worker, unlike most republicans. Republicans joined en masse and converted the party to a republican one.

That's why it's comical when "republican" and "provisional" SF argue about who's the real one.

It has no bearing on anything - I'm just wondering why Ger didn't know that.

Batman
22nd October 2005, 20:20
Griffith also wrote his anti-semitic articles and writings while in South Africa which is kind of ironic.

He called for the British Army to be called in during the 1913 Lock Out.

BOZG
22nd October 2005, 20:35
Originally posted by Rage Against The [email protected] 21 2005, 09:33 PM
There are extremey close ties between the former anti-apartheid coalition and Sinn Féin; it is in fact the trump card for those who brand the IRA or Sinn Féin as terrorists -
Extremely close ties with bourgeois organisations.

Batman
23rd October 2005, 11:29
Originally posted by BOZG+Oct 22 2005, 08:19 PM--> (BOZG @ Oct 22 2005, 08:19 PM)
Rage Against The [email protected] 21 2005, 09:33 PM
There are extremey close ties between the former anti-apartheid coalition and Sinn Féin; it is in fact the trump card for those who brand the IRA or Sinn Féin as terrorists -
Extremely close ties with bourgeois organisations. [/b]
It's obvious you are not from Ireland and that remark shows that you dont understand the political realities and situation in Ireland when you consider Sinn Fein to be bourgeois.

Seven Stars
23rd October 2005, 17:56
Originally posted by Rage Against The [email protected] 21 2005, 09:33 PM
BTW - Arthur Griffith was the founder of Sinn Féin and he isn't a republican? :huh:
Sinn Fein wasn't Republican until 1917 when a Republican Constitution was adopted at the Ard Fheis. Before that, as OglachMcGlinchey said, they were a dual Monarchy Party. Also Griffith supported the Treaty so he would be a Free Stater not a Republican. I guess you Provos forgot what Republicanism is, since you haven't been Republicans for 19 years.

The Grey Blur
23rd October 2005, 20:36
Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 05:40 PM
I guess you Provos forgot what Republicanism is, since you haven't been Republicans for 19 years.
I seriously laughed for fifteen minutes at this...good stuff...you should consider a career in comedy...

Seven Stars
23rd October 2005, 21:00
I don't think its funny that so many Vol's died to just be sold out by Adams and Co. You might want to actulaly learn a bit about Republicanism. Just living in Belfast means shit. If you didn't Sinn Fein wasn't a Republican organization until 1917 and Griffith was a Free Stater then you have a lot to learn.

PRC-UTE
24th October 2005, 03:32
Originally posted by Rage Against The Machine+Oct 23 2005, 08:20 PM--> (Rage Against The Machine @ Oct 23 2005, 08:20 PM)
[email protected] 23 2005, 05:40 PM
I guess you Provos forgot what Republicanism is, since you haven't been Republicans for 19 years.
I seriously laughed for fifteen minutes at this...good stuff...you should consider a career in comedy... [/b]
Well SF's current strategy is a pan-nationalist front, not a republican one, so his comment's not too far off really.

The Grey Blur
24th October 2005, 18:36
I guess you Provos forgot what Republicanism is, since you haven't been Republicans for 19 years.
I can't help but find this funny...it was just such a stereotypical continuity claim


I don't think its funny that so many Vol's died to just be sold out by Adams and Co.
Woops, I laughed again...


You might want to actulaly learn a bit about Republicanism.
You might want to learn a bit about spell-check


Just living in Belfast means shit
:blink: I'm honestly scratching my head on this one...when did I imply...?


If you didn't Sinn Fein wasn't a Republican organization until 1917 and Griffith was a Free Stater then you have a lot to learn.

I knew Griffith was much more willing to compromise than Connolly et al. but I still would have considered him Republican because of the fact that he was pro-Irish Independence, he supported the Irish language and I believe he wanted to empower the workers. That said I realize my error; he wasn't a true republican in the sense of the word we would use today.
Although it has been said that Griffith sought to combine elements of Parnell with the usual separatist approach; I think he saw himself not as a leader but as providing a strategy which a new leader might follow.

The Grey Blur
24th October 2005, 18:38
Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 03:16 AM
Well SF's current strategy is a pan-nationalist front, not a republican one, so his comment's not too far off really.
True, but he doesn't mean in the sense you would use it, I believe he simply means Sinn Féin "sold out to the opressors" for holiday homes and holidays to Bundoran. ;)