Irish Propaganda Posters

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Here's some posters I've been working on.

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Another.

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A remake of an old classic.

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That's all for tonight. I'll probably churn out some more tomorrow.

[Urban Guerrilla]

Really good. If I lived in Ireland, I'd make copies and place them around :che:

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I think they'd work well just about anywhere.

[BOZG]

There can never be peace in Ireland until the foreign, oppressive British presence is removed, leaving all the Irish people as a unit to control their own affairs and determine their own destinies as a sovereign people, free in mind and body, seperate and distinct physically, culturally and economically.

So basically, Irish capitalism.

[ComradeOm]

The cause of labour is the cause of Ireland, the cause of Ireland is the cause of labour. They cannot be dissevered.

-James Connolly

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 01:08 PM
The cause of labour is the cause of Ireland, the cause of Ireland is the cause of labour. They cannot be dissevered.

-James Connolly
Exactly. But labour is not "the Irish people as a unit".

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by BOZG+Oct 19 2005, 01:25 PM--> (BOZG @ Oct 19 2005, 01:25 PM)
[email protected] 19 2005, 01:08 PM
The cause of labour is the cause of Ireland, the cause of Ireland is the cause of labour. They cannot be dissevered.

-James Connolly
Exactly. But labour is not "the Irish people as a unit". [/b]
Meh. I never liked the phrase "Irish People as a unit". It tends to simplify the situation too much, as is to be expected I suppose.

[BOZG]

The phrase "Irish people as a unit" is nothing but nationalist rubbish. It's dismissive of the working class being the only "unit" that can solve the Northern question.

[Enragé]

an english boss is a bastard
an irish one might be even worse

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Just copying the original resistance poster. I'll be sure to use that other quote on a different poster.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 19 2005, 08:35 PM
Just copying the original resistance poster. I'll be sure to use that other quote on a different poster.
No don't, it was a brilliant poster, we have already seen the anti-nationalism of BOZG before, whether you quoted Gerry Adams or Bobby Sands on that poster he would have shot it down, the statement by Sands is not a detailed manifesto and should not be debated as such.

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This is probably my least favorite one, I think the design is weak but I like the message. If anybody could give some ideas for making it look nicer, or wants to redsign it themselves that would be awesome. I can provide the original photoshop file, too.

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A bit o' the class struggle now.

[Enragé]

you should make something to remember the Irish Citizen Army which Connelly commanded during the Easter Rising.

I've always found them inspiring
not to mention it was a socialist army/

[BOZG]

Originally posted by Rage Against The [email protected] 19 2005, 10:03 PM
No don't, it was a brilliant poster, we have already seen the anti-nationalism of BOZG before, whether you quoted Gerry Adams or Bobby Sands on that poster he would have shot it down, the statement by Sands is not a detailed manifesto and should not be debated as such.
And I'm damn fucking proud of it. The poster is filled with nothing but nationalist clap trap. If you don't want it to be seen as that, then don't use that quote. Regardless, the poster refers to Irish people as a "unit" i.e. Irish people regardless of their class background. It's a class collaborationist appeal.

[Alice in Ganjaland]

Good work, but I think that you should use a different font for the posters, something more bold and strong that will catch the eye and stand out. Also a little colour wouldn't hurt too. I think red would work good on these posters.

The RESISTANCE poster is my favorite...I love the image and the quote. I think the headline "RESISTANCE" should be bigger and bolder and should go on top of the the image as the header. The image could be the background or it could be under the RESISTANCE header with the quote beneath it.

Anyway, good work again I like it a lot. I want to print one on a tshirt :D

[The Grey Blur]

And I'm damn fucking proud of it.
So you were anti-civil rights, anti-hunger strike, anti-armed struggle,pro-imperialist, pro-opressionist and pro-capitalist? You have much to be proud of then.


The poster is filled with nothing but nationalist clap trap.
So you regard Bobby Sand's prison writings as "nationalist clap trap"? Also, Blackbanner Blackgun asked for Irish slogans for God's sake, argue with him, not with me.


Regardless, the poster refers to Irish people as a "unit" i.e. Irish people regardless of their class background.
I will repeat that what Bobby Sand's wrote was not some detailed manifesto, but a hope and a dream he harboured for all Irish people, regardless of religion, class or creed.


It's a class collaborationist appeal
It's a National appeal.

"I have heard some doctrinaire Socialists arguing that Socialists should not sympathize with oppressed nationalities, or with nationalities resisting conquest. They argue that the sooner these nationalities are suppressed the better " - James Connolly

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by Alice in [email protected] 22 2005, 08:45 PM
The RESISTANCE poster is my favorite...
My Avatar!

I am enjoying these posters BlackbannerBlackGun (or BBGun as I will now refer to you as) how about a Irish-Palestine-Basque-Zapatista-Sandanista solidarity poster, or something akin to that...

[BOZG]

Originally posted by Rage Against The [email protected] 22 2005, 08:58 PM
So you were anti-civil rights, anti-hunger strike, anti-armed struggle,pro-imperialist, pro-opressionist and pro-capitalist? You have much to be proud of then.
No, I oppose nationalism. They are not synonymous. Yes, I opposed armed struggled in favour of mass struggle of the working class. I find it quite funny that someone who supports cross-class appeals has the balls to call me pro-capitalist.



I will repeat that what Bobby Sand's wrote was not some detailed manifesto, but a hope and a dream he harboured for all Irish people, regardless of religion, class or creed.

It's a National appeal.

Yes, cross class appeal. Class collaborationist.



"I have heard some doctrinaire Socialists arguing that Socialists should not sympathize with oppressed nationalities, or with nationalities resisting conquest. They argue that the sooner these nationalities are suppressed the better " - James Connolly

I never said that I don't sympathise with oppressed nationalities. That doesn't mean you have to be a nationalist.

[Alice in Ganjaland]

Originally posted by Rage Against The Machine+Oct 22 2005, 05:03 PM--> (Rage Against The Machine @ Oct 22 2005, 05:03 PM)
Alice in [email protected] 22 2005, 08:45 PM
The RESISTANCE poster is my favorite...
My Avatar!

I am enjoying these posters BlackbannerBlackGun (or BBGun as I will now refer to you as) how about a Irish-Palestine-Basque-Zapatista-Sandanista solidarity poster, or something akin to that... [/b]
I love your avatar, the red really brings it out ;)

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by Alice in [email protected] 22 2005, 09:48 PM
I love your avatar, the red really brings it out ;)
Thanks...I like yours too...shucks... :blush:

[Ghassan]

Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 19 2005, 07:40 AM
Here's some posters I've been working on.
The first poster is not the IRA.

It is the INLA giving the final salute to cheif of staff Gino Gallagher in 1996.

[Ghassan]

No, I oppose nationalism. They are not synonymous. Yes, I opposed armed struggled in favour of mass struggle of the working class. I find it quite funny that someone who supports cross-class appeals has the balls to call me pro-capitalist.

This is a very loyalist line - the sort of line put out by people like Peter Haddan. Foremost, how exactly could this "mass struggle of the working class" be built in 1969 when there were mass pogroms against the Catholic population in the absense of the IRA?

The fact remains, the Socialist Party can stand on the sidelines shouting the odds but they are nothing but a very marginal political party in the north, even moreso than the Workers Party of Ireland.


Yes, cross class appeal. Class collaborationist.
... Do "Leninists" not believe in a temporary alliance with the petite-bourgeoisie? The IRA and Sinn Féin represent petite-bourgeoisie interests, not that I'm a Leninist anyway. From what I understand, such an alliance must be on the terms of the proletariat and its Communist Party.

[The Grey Blur]

No, I oppose nationalism. They are not synonymous. Yes, I opposed armed struggled in favour of mass struggle of the working class. I find it quite funny that someone who supports cross-class appeals has the balls to call me pro-capitalist.
Obviously we both have a lot of work to do, you should study some Connolly to understand what Republicanism stands for and how it is the form of Socialism in Ireland and I will try to figure what is so bad about "leaving all the Irish people as a unit to control their own affairs and determine their own destinies as a sovereign nation"


Of this time (his youth) Bobby himself later wrote: "I was only a working-class boy from a nationalist ghetto, but it is repression that creates the revolutionary spirit of freedom. I shall not settle until I achieve liberation of my country, until Ireland becomes a sovereign independent socialist republic."


I never said that I don't sympathise with oppressed nationalities. That doesn't mean you have to be a nationalist.
So you could objectively distance yourself from the culture, history and language of a country yet still defend/support it against aggressors? Some tendencies of Nationalism (backed up with Socialist thinking) will inevitably creep in.

Getting back on topic I wouldn't mind;

Everyone, Republican or otherwise, has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small, no one is too old or too young to do something.
Bobby Sands

There is nothing more dangerous than an oppressed people who acquire
the first weapons of education and organisation.
Bernadette Devlin McAliskey

Our revenge will be the laughter of our children.
Bobby Sands

[Alice in Ganjaland]

Originally posted by Rage Against The Machine+Oct 22 2005, 06:43 PM--> (Rage Against The Machine @ Oct 22 2005, 06:43 PM)
Alice in [email protected] 22 2005, 09:48 PM
I love your avatar, the red really brings it out ;)
Thanks...I like yours too...shucks... :blush: [/b]
You've seen the movie I presume? :D


This thread is going waaayy off topic.

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Originally posted by Ghassan+Oct 22 2005, 04:52 PM--> (Ghassan @ Oct 22 2005, 04:52 PM)
black banner black [email protected] 19 2005, 07:40 AM
Here's some posters I've been working on.
The first poster is not the IRA.

It is the INLA giving the final salute to cheif of staff Gino Gallagher in 1996. [/b]
I know, the image worked the best though. I doubt the difference will be noticed by my audience and I don't think it affects it too much, if at all. If you can find a suitable image to replace it, do so, by all means.


Good work, but I think that you should use a different font for the posters, something more bold and strong that will catch the eye and stand out. Also a little colour wouldn't hurt too. I think red would work good on these posters.

Color would be nice, but color is more expensive to print unfortunately. I was shooting for the easily-photocopied look.

[Alice in Ganjaland]

Originally posted by black banner black gun+Oct 22 2005, 09:59 PM--> (black banner black gun @ Oct 22 2005, 09:59 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 04:52 PM

black banner black [email protected] 19 2005, 07:40 AM
Here's some posters I've been working on.
The first poster is not the IRA.

It is the INLA giving the final salute to cheif of staff Gino Gallagher in 1996.
I know, the image worked the best though. I doubt the difference will be noticed by my audience and I don't think it affects it too much, if at all. If you can find a suitable image to replace it, do so, by all means.


Good work, but I think that you should use a different font for the posters, something more bold and strong that will catch the eye and stand out. Also a little colour wouldn't hurt too. I think red would work good on these posters.

Color would be nice, but color is more expensive to print unfortunately. I was shooting for the easily-photocopied look. [/b]
:o My bad. But I think it works well anyway, it gets the message over. :)

[The Grey Blur]

You've seen the movie I presume? :D
Not yet, but I wouldn't miss a Burton film for all the tea in China.


This thread is going waaayy off topic.
:lol: Yeah, I tend to overreact when someone says something that pisses me off and end up in a giant debate; you should take a look at some of the harmless threads in Music that I managed to turn into five-page flame-wars :D

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I like the posters.. make some in spanish so I can put a few up around here!

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 05:18 PM
I like the posters.. make some in spanish so I can put a few up around here!
I don't know Spanish... if you can translate the phrases, I'll gladly replace them. And if you can offer any suggestions dealing with Latin American struggles, that would be excellent.

[Alice in Ganjaland]

Originally posted by Rage Against The [email protected] 23 2005, 04:09 PM

You've seen the movie I presume? :D
Not yet, but I wouldn't miss a Burton film for all the tea in China.


This thread is going waaayy off topic.
:lol: Yeah, I tend to overreact when someone says something that pisses me off and end up in a giant debate; you should take a look at some of the harmless threads in Music that I managed to turn into five-page flame-wars :D

Not yet, but I wouldn't miss a Burton film for all the tea in China.

Yeah Burton's stuff is always good :D ...you have to see Corpse Bride!



:lol: Yeah, I tend to overreact when someone says something that pisses me off and end up in a giant debate; you should take a look at some of the harmless threads in Music that I managed to turn into five-page flame-wars :D


IMO it's funny and entertaining ahaha, you're so hot blooded. :)


And holy crap you actually put what I said in your signature?! :o :D

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Basque stuff.

[Alice in Ganjaland]

Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 24 2005, 11:27 PM
Basque stuff.
I LOVE that one. Wow. Fuckin A.

[PRC-UTE]

blackbanner,

given that you have such a liking for republican socialist politics, images of the INLA/IRSP and even our symbols, why aren't you a member? :lol:

We've just established a youth wing, you might like that as your desire to express your politics could be put to good use there.

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 10:19 PM

No, I oppose nationalism. They are not synonymous. Yes, I opposed armed struggled in favour of mass struggle of the working class. I find it quite funny that someone who supports cross-class appeals has the balls to call me pro-capitalist.

This is a very loyalist line - the sort of line put out by people like Peter Haddan. Foremost, how exactly could this "mass struggle of the working class" be built in 1969 when there were mass pogroms against the Catholic population in the absense of the IRA?

The fact remains, the Socialist Party can stand on the sidelines shouting the odds but they are nothing but a very marginal political party in the north, even moreso than the Workers Party of Ireland.


Yes, cross class appeal. Class collaborationist.
... Do "Leninists" not believe in a temporary alliance with the petite-bourgeoisie? The IRA and Sinn Féin represent petite-bourgeoisie interests, not that I'm a Leninist anyway. From what I understand, such an alliance must be on the terms of the proletariat and its Communist Party.
This is a funny and abstract way of approaching this issue, but what the SP member here is saying is a new twist on an old line.

The line or basic outlook that the SP has always had is that any attempt to improve conditions for the more oppressed section of the working class in the six counties (the Catholic/Nationalist community) would upset the Unionists too much, and for some reason, we can't have that. This 'don't rock the boat' mentality is odd for a socialist grouping.

The issue here isn't really nationalism, as it's actually about removing a border that divides Ireland presently. To maintain that border, sectarianism has to exist; this is historically true. There's not really a nuetral middle, you either support the sectarian state or you support a new integrated 32 county state.

[voice of the voiceless]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 02:00 PM
The phrase "Irish people as a unit" is nothing but nationalist rubbish. It's dismissive of the working class being the only "unit" that can solve the Northern question.
i agree. A united ireland under capitalism means very little. The IRA are reactionary because they dont appeal to ALL working people REGARDLESS of sectarianism.

[Conghaileach]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 01:09 PM

There can never be peace in Ireland until the foreign, oppressive British presence is removed, leaving all the Irish people as a unit to control their own affairs and determine their own destinies as a sovereign people, free in mind and body, seperate and distinct physically, culturally and economically.

So basically, Irish capitalism.
If that's what you want to call Irish national self-determination. Every Irish socialist, including Bobby Sands, has realised that the national struggle is only one part of the class struggle. Obviously at the time though the IRA's main concern was with the British military presence; the Irish capitalist class certainly are a shower of bastards but they weren't shooting kids on the streets. The movement's leadership had always tried to follow the example set by the likes of Ho Chi Minh.

[Ciaran r]

Supporting the IRA like this?, the simple truth is these people maimed and destroyed inocent people.

We all know what Britain did and continues to do but their campaign was a sick violent one.

they cant be championed

[Seven Stars]

Who are 'The Starry Plough Cultural Group'?

[el Rebesnét del Tio Canya]

http://www.cerdanyola.net/1916/fotos/muralcatalonia.jpg

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Catalunya lliure!

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 25 2005, 03:11 AM
Basque stuff.
awesome

[Iroquois Xavier]

Free Ireland Mural.

Also people seem to forget the IRA never fired the first shot. anyway the only true IRA was those who fought in the Easter Rising of 1916. These troubles have been on for 700 years which people seem to forget.

[Seven Stars]

Originally posted by Iroquois [email protected] 2 2006, 11:03 AM
Free Ireland Mural.

Also people seem to forget the IRA never fired the first shot. anyway the only true IRA was those who fought in the Easter Rising of 1916. These troubles have been on for 700 years which people seem to forget.
It's been 800 not 700 years and the IRA was formed after the Easter Rising, It was the Irish Citizen Army and the Irish Volunteers who fought in 1916.

[Iroquois Xavier]

Originally posted by Irish_Republican+Mar 3 2006, 01:26 AM--> (Irish_Republican @ Mar 3 2006, 01:26 AM)
Iroquois [email protected] 2 2006, 11:03 AM
Free Ireland Mural.

Also people seem to forget the IRA never fired the first shot. anyway the only true IRA was those who fought in the Easter Rising of 1916. These troubles have been on for 700 years which people seem to forget.
It's been 800 not 700 years and the IRA was formed after the Easter Rising, It was the Irish Citizen Army and the Irish Volunteers who fought in 1916. [/b]
ok 800 years then. it is still a fuckin long time, yes i know it was the ICA and the IV that fought in the rising. Then the IRA was formed from that. I was just saying that they were the true freedom fighters.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by Iroquois [email protected] 3 2006, 02:30 PM
I was just saying that they were the true freedom fighters.
Unlike the IRA of 1960's onwards the 1916 rebels are safe - it was almost a hundred years ago, there are no victims, there were no evil 'terrorists', there were no bombs and best of all - the Irish failed, none of your friends or family will critiscize you for supporting a bunch of ancient martyrs.

el Rebesnét del Tio Canya: I was there when they painted that one, there's a Che mural right around the corner as well.


Supporting the IRA like this?, the simple truth is these people maimed and destroyed inocent people.
They did???!?!?! - Why, all along I believed the IRA plucked flowers for the British soldiers and visited England to hand out toys to orphans whilst singing soothing songs of peace and jusice - my, my, sir I shall re-evaluate my support of them immediately! I shall stick with the party line in future!


they cant be championed
Ummm...have you seen what this thread is about?