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[colombiano]

I am debating with a felow Colombian about whether the Farc and ELN are in fact terrorist organizations. However in attempts to prove the person I am debating that if the Farc , Eln and AUC ( which they ackwoldege are terrorists) are what they considered terrorists then by their own Definition of Terrorism the Colombian STate should be classified as such too. They spew the same drivel as tossed about by the Corp Media in Colombia, Narco, Killing Innocent Civialians, Murder of Preists, Kidnapping. However I need cold hard facts to toss back to illustrate my point. That if you are to CLassify the FARC , and ELN as Terrorists then it is simply Hypocritical not to do the same of the current State. All I here about is How Popular Uribe is , How he has Done So much for the people , etc etc. I just need reliabl;e Sources to back up my assertions. If you have them please provide . Thanks!

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I don't have a whole lot offer, but I wish I did. FARC & ELN are legitimate revolutionary organizations.

Here's an article from the new issue of the Free Press that talks about Uribe's recent decission to harbor an AUC leader, and goes into his ties with Escobar and the right-wing death squads:
Colombia won't extradite paramilitary warlord (http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/fp15b.html)

[metalero]

The fundamental strategy of the Colombian State to try to defeat to the guerrilla organizations, who have been being against it for more than thirty five years, has always been to destroy or to neutralize the fundamental social weave that (presumably or potentially) support them. In order to obtain this goal, the excluding elites have turned the State into one of the main violators of human rights in the world. This "dirty war" carried out in the last 40 years as true terrorism of State has rested on two fundamental pillars: the concealed or clandestine operations of military, and paramilitary execution of such. These are the neuralgic center of the counter-insurgent conception of the State, especially in the armed forces.
Based on this, we can understand why actually guerrilla armies haven't been destroyed. Military brigades, DAS, paramilitaries or any security bodies of the state don't focus on engaging in military offensives against them, but rather on eliminating any suspected or actual support for them. That's why the number of disappeared, tortured, massacred and displaced civilians is much higher than the the number of guerrilla casualties. The most common target of the dirty war are Union leaders,poor peasants, University professors and students, Human rights advocates, indigineous and afro-colombian communties. Perhaps, the most important argument you can use to show the patterns of state terrorism in Colombia, is the biggest political genocide ever carried out by a government in the actual world, something rarely mentioned by the mass media and the oligarchy in colombia: the extermination of the political group Patriotic Union (Union Patriotica).
In the mean the biggest, since by definition genocide refers to the systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of ethnicity, religion, political opinion, social status or other particularity; But the patriotic Union was a political group (party) formed after negotiation peace talks between the Colombian government and the FARC back in 1984, which included the Colombian Comunist party and other leftist ones, social movements, workers confederation. From 1985 to 1995 more than 4000 members of this political party were sistematically persecuted and exterminated by the state security forces and their paramilitaries allies , including dozens of parlamientaries, city mayors and 2 presidential candidates.
Right now, the OEA's Interamerican comission for human rights admitted an lawsuit made by UP survivors and victim's relatives to punish the Colombian state for this genocide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotic_Union_%28Colombia%29

[Tekun]

^So so right

Colombia has experienced what Guatemala, El Salvador, and Nicaragua suffered during the 70's and 80's

From my own experience, 99% of the deaths in Guatemala's civil war were committed by paramilitaries and the gov
The guerillas were the ones defending the ppl
My father was a student at the time, and he saw many of his friends murdered by the gov for believing in socialism and revolution

Uribe is one of the biggest drug and war lords in south america, and its no surprise that America supports him

[bolshevik butcher]

Is the war on drugs what the U$ is using as justification for funding the brutal government forces in columbia?

[chebol]

Kind of.

It used to be the war on communism.
Then it became the war on drugs.
Then, the war on terrorism.
Then the war on narco-terrorists.

Any way you look at it, it's a war on the poor, the workers, the peasants, and those that belive in democracy, not dollar-dictatorship.

Alerta! Alerta! Alerta que camina! La espada de Bolivar por America Latina!
Viva la Nueva Colombia!

[metalero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 12:41 PM

Alerta! Alerta! Alerta que camina! La espada de Bolivar por America Latina!
Viva la Nueva Colombia!
:)