Ignorance is Bliss

[Insomnia]

I'm telling you comrades, i'm tired, i'm tired of fighting, tired of struggling not to be influenced by the system, but what's the use? this is just the teen-age rebellion inside us talking. are you that sure in 10-15 years you'll be thinking the same things? you will probably not, you will be just a small piece of the system of the country you live in, and the country you live in will be a part of the system controlled by the anglo-american reign of power. let's face it ww3 may happen but comunism will not rise again. maybe i'm being pessimistic, maybe i'm just realistic about everything around me. we are all victims of the system. you wear sport shoes made by the big american corporations in 3rd world countries, you play and surf the net on computers made in the same way.
let's face it :Ignorance is bliss. there's no point fighting it. they can do whatever they want with your life, with your mind, with your country.
i was reading the massive manifest on the 9/11 attacks set by bombeverything and i realised a lot of ppl i know have been brainwashed by the anglo-american media system. i see so many ppl that are pro-US that it makes me sick. but i decided not to fight it anymore. until now i pushed it back violently, from now on i will just ignore it, i will just retreat in my little universe untouched by the system.
i wonder what will you do when you feel that you're gonna go insane, when you're gonna live only on cigarettes&coffee, can't sleep at night and massive headaches.

[Behind enemy lines]

Take a rest, relax guy. Ignorance ain't bliss, i'ts ignorance.

You could be right, you could be wrong. No need to stress.

"i wonder what will you do when you feel that you're gonna go insane, when you're gonna live only on cigarettes&coffee, can't sleep at night and massive headaches."

Find out. What have you got to lose. You will either like it or hate it. That's all. Your choice to change buddy.

Remember that your just experiencing a feeling. It will go.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Why I resist and don't ignore?

I have headaches too. I get sick and tired too.

But then I remind myself what I am fighting for. Maybe there doesn't change a shit in my life time, but atleast I know that I have done all I could. Remember this isn't impossible, just very very hard. Eventually the majority wins. Has been proven by history several times. Just continue and don't give up. As long as there are people resisting, we have hope.

[Insomnia]

Comrade CCCP - i was expecting a reply from you.
let me tell you something...hope dies last; too bad it should die first.

[ComradeJunichi]

Wow, you are a comrade of mine? I disagree.

Sure, noone can tell the future but I believe that my whole life I will have a passion for politics/economics/history and I will have a burning RED passion for communism. I don't think this is a teenage rebellion stage in me, if it was I'd be outside breaking beer bottles and causing chaos, not home studying language, history, economics, politics, psychology, and the rest of the components needed.

You have just generalized the whole communist youth movement into a group of rebellious teens. Yeah, that's the spirit!. I'm positive not everyone here wears "sports shoes made by American corporations in third world countries".

Communism isn't about YOU, or just a cool system. Why are/were you a communist? It's for the workers, the proles, the exploited. If you believe that covering your eyes and living like nothing is happening in a system based on exploitation for profit, then fine so be it.

You can't be live like you're in a communist society, while living in a capitalist one. Well, I suppose you can but it's difficult. You are also assuming that everyone is from America, which is not true.

You have read how many people are "brainwashed" to be pro-US after the 9/11 attacks. Now tell me how many people are anti-US before and after the 9/11 attacks. If you have such a passion against this ignorance, why are you choosing to do the same thing?

Many others have gone through worse than you have, not that I know anything about your situation. There is always someone in a worse situation. I've been going through a shitty time also, what have I done? The only thing that makes me feel any better besides music and a special lady, would be politics, economics, and history. So think it over, and make the right (or left) decision.

[Insomnia]

junichi, you think you know a lot of stuff? think again. you think you know what's going on in your head? think again. i have not called you a comrade of mine, you assumed it. as a matter of fact i do not want to have contact with someone who can't see things from ther points of view than his/hers.


P.S.: Fuck you Junichi.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Dude just take a rest for a moment.

Better chasing your dreams than living in a nightmare.

Like Junichi said, my socialist feeling isn't a sort of teenage rebellion. (My parents are socialists too).

I am not telling wich choice you must make, but just think about it once again after you had a good rest.

Think why you became a socialist in the first place. When you started to struggle for equality, you knew that this wasn't something that couldn't be changed in a human life time.

But just take a rest and rethink it. Afterall you can't keep your eyes shut for ever.

[ComradeJunichi]

LOL! Have I said anything about myself knowing a lot? No. One of the reasons I told the community I didn't enjoy having some of the new wave of 'newbie' communists, was because of their closemindedness. Do you know anything? Do I know anything? No, I know absolutely nothing, I barely even grasp the basics. When I study I study objectively and with an open mind.

I'm telling you comrades

Sorry, I must have assumed I read that.


What do you mean, "do I think I know what's going on in my head". If I was thinking, then I'd know what was going on in my head because I would know what I was thinking.

And now you flame. What did you think you were going to find in this thread? A bunch of people patting your ass? I'm giving you criticism and a way to get out of the mindset that change cannot occur. Where did you get the thought that I can't see things from other points of views other than mine? From one post I gave you, that tried to help you?

P.S.: I'm sorry you don't see my point of view. I can understand why you hate such ignorance, but I don't see how becoming ignorant fixes it at all.

[Insomnia]

something tells me that this is becoming personal so i'm gonna drop it before anything else is said.


I want to know...which one of you reading this think that comunism will rise again in it's full glory?
Do you really think that (not hope because hope is not always realistic).

[chamo]

Insomnia is taking the view of "if you can't beat them, join them". And that's not the right fucking way to go about it. You have to stand up even if people are ignoring you. Even if you are not making a very big impact you have to keep trying to beat the bastards. There's no point in hiding. You can't shut yourself off now, you'll become consumed by it. You can't just turn away from the injustice of the world and the suffering that goes on and pretend it isn't there and that it'll somehow go away.

The answer to bliss is not ignorance. It is justice.

[Panamarisen]

Insomnia:

Even with today´s overwhelming capitalist environment, you can be sure whatever little thing you do towards justice will not be in vain. There is a quote that goes something like "The flapping of a butterfly somewhere is the beginning of a storm miles away".

Don´t ever give up, comrade. You will not be able to see many of the offsprings of your positive actions to improve the lives of the oppressed, but those offsprings will exist..., thanks to YOU.


HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Insomnia has made a great thread(not sarcastic)

We all have sometimes the feeling that this is too overwelming and headaches etc. It's a good thing to discuss about. Probaly we all will never see the changes that we want.
So do you stop or continue?
Are we chasing a dream or reality?

These are things that I sometimes ask myself after I discussed with "a person from the majority", then I hear so much lies and the person fully believing it, that I think is the socialist fight a fight that can be won?

One of the reasons of the succes of Che lives is that people know that they are not alone in their strugle against imperialism and that it's not chanceless.

When I die, in a sick and cruel world. I know that I have done all I could to bring changes, as long as there are people believing the socialist dream and are educating others, socialism will grow and grow, waiting for the right day to change or overthrow the authorities.

(Edited by CCCP at 12:47 am on Jan. 12, 2003)

[Conghaileach]

The rebellious young "socialists" who end up giving up and rejecting socialism are those who never actually bother to try and grasp it.

I agree with Junichi here. There are people who actually become involved in socialism and work hard, and there are those who spend their youth acting the rebel, who then grow up and fall in line.

[Umoja]

Cold War isn't exactly over, Socialism is slowly spreading into most modern nations, the United States is the only modern nation to effectively resist most of it's early effects.

Seriously dude, Communism is way to dreary, and depends on things directly happening. Euro-Socialism and Democratic Socialism is a bit more slow and laid back but it'll work. People have sense.

[bombeverything]

Quote: from Insomnia on 9:52 pm on Jan. 11, 2003
I'm telling you comrades, i'm tired, i'm tired of fighting, tired of struggling not to be influenced by the system, but what's the use? this is just the teen-age rebellion inside us talking. are you that sure in 10-15 years you'll be thinking the same things? you will probably not, you will be just a small piece of the system of the country you live in, and the country you live in will be a part of the system controlled by the anglo-american reign of power. let's face it ww3 may happen but comunism will not rise again. maybe i'm being pessimistic, maybe i'm just realistic about everything around me. we are all victims of the system. you wear sport shoes made by the big american corporations in 3rd world countries, you play and surf the net on computers made in the same way.

Ok. Firstly yes, you are pessimistic. You say we are all victims of the system no matter what yet at the same time you say you are just going to ignore it. How can you ignore a system that gets to you no matter what? Even if it were possible, what would it achieve? You will not be able to simply ignore what you know.

There IS a point fighting. Why? To raise awareness. Negativity does nothing for the cause. If everyone thought like you nothing would change. How can you "just retreat in your little universe untouched by the system" if such a thing does not exist? I am confused.

"Never give up, never give in"

[Pete]

which one of you reading this think that comunism will rise again in it's full glory?

Comrade, I do not believe that Socialism is about glory, and that if we are hear to seek glory we are not truly socialists. It is for global justice, and humility (correct me if I am wrong). If we do not accept lowering ourselves so that other may advance, as history must move forward, then the status quo will not be defeated. Maybe the left is not glorious and therefore will not attract everyone, but those that it does will be the ones willing to lose it all for a glimpse of a better world one time occuring in our time, our childrens time, or even our descdants 10 generations down the line. We sow the seeds now, in hopes that they will grow in to the beautiful flower of Socialism ( I am picturing a field of forgetmenots). Be the Teacher for now, and when the time comes take up arms as a Soldier and in the peace that follows make sure that everyone can be a Politician. Socialism lives in the hearts of those who sacrafice. For others, not our selves. Until the Victory Comrade!

(Edited by CrazyPete at 1:41 am on Jan. 12, 2003)

[nz revolution]

dont be such a defeatist.

you were obviously not blessed with a strong mind.

[Doshka]

comrades please dont turn this into a personal argument..we are not here to fight each other...i am an arab..i love my people but if they have one fault it is the COMPLETE incapability to come to a solution..they fight they attack...that isnt the point...lets think about what we are saying...who isnt tired of the big fight..the constant struggle? but if you give up than you never felt the communist flame in you to begin with..w are all comrades..we are all fighting...i am no fortune teller but i hope that this is not a phaze im going through...i want to make a difference and this is one of the first steps..dont give up..dont stop....and heres a thought that might cheer you up./...my brother is a complete and total communist...so is my mother(my dad is an american idiot...all money, no equality..please dont hold me accountable)..when i told them about this site both of them(expecially my mom) commented that these things were EXTREMELY rare if at all existing when she was younger..even my brother mentioned that when he was in highschool people werent so outspoken...im sorry to rattle on and on but maybe this is a sign...the world is waking up..people comming from capitalist homes are waking up to the call of Che...the fight is not useless, though it may be slow...and yes i believe that communism will rise again..not for the glory ofcourse but for the people...and if this feeling is foolhearted than i am glad that at least it gives me warmth and pushes me to continue my communist plight..again i repeat hasta la victoria siempre

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Wow.....I mean nice

[Resistance1]

I know what you mean, Insomnia. It's like when you're watching CNN, you realize how easy it would be to believe all the lies, how much easier it would be to nod your head in agreement with everyone else, how easy it would be to slip into the crowd and become a living corpse.

Well, comrade, my condolences.

When Che began his revolution in Cuba, they faced several harrowing difficulties. They were betrayed by a comrade who sold their yacht and transmitter, they armed their makeshift boat the Granma with hardly any ammo, just about all of the crew fell ill, they ran out of water and fuel, once they landed and disembarked they were attacked by enemy planes, and became lost in swamps. When Castro led his first attack on the Moncada Barracks marking the begining of the revolution on July 26 1953, it was a complete failure; most of the revolutionary forces were massacred and Fidel was sent into exile. But did they ever give up? No, they preserved and won that revolution. Perhaps these stories don't implie as much as i'd like them to, but the moral of the story is that revolution is never easy, and you should never give up your ideals, like Che never did.

Hasta la victoria siempre.

[mentalbunny]

Insomnia, I think there are a few possibilities:

1. There will be a long, slow revolution of the mind that will end with the world consisting of liveral welfare states.

2. The world will become increasingly more facist and elitist then the masses will overturn those in government and the left will be put in place of the right.

3. Humanity will effectlively destroy the world with nuclear weapons and either humanity will be wiped out or it will go backwards to the time where we lived in caves and communes.

[Xanderbeaux]

communism isnt coming back, socialism isnt going to rise..... ive heard that so many times lost count, i know this is going to sound weird but alot of people dont want it to come back because itll cause death, war, no one wants that, rather stay the way they are: alive, i know its not making sense, and im trying not to take sides, because im n the middle, but insomnia has a point, and so does avryone esel, just in my mind there all good points in the wrong direction

[Larissa]

Don't you ever give up, comrade. Just don't. Relax for a while. I have faced most failures and defeats in the past 20 years than victories, but I keep on fighting, and I'm not that young anymore.

There were some hard times. People you trusted, betrayed you. You found lost in the middle of an ocean of opposite forces. But don't give up.

Never in your life give up. We are lots, and lots of people trying to keep this alive, we need to support each other. We need people like you on our side.

So, relax and NEVER give up.




(Edited by Larissa at 11:27 am on Jan. 13, 2003)

[Guardia Bolivariano]

Xanderbeaux communism in the soviet way or any other "pure" form of the theory may not be coming back.But the spirit of the revolution never dies It just evolves into other methods of briging justice to the world.The important thing is NEVER loose faith in what you fight for there will always be hardships along the way and betrayels as many of our friends have experience but the thing they will never be able to take away or destroy are your beliefs.Be strong victory always goes hand to hand with persistance!!! ;)

By the way Larissa you may not be young but you're certainly still pretty much CUTE.:cool:

[synthesis]

Communism will not "rise again" because it never rose in the first place.

Stalin was not communist!

If the only form of communism that will rise again is Stalinism, I would prefer it to lay dormant!

Communism is not our goal! The GOAL is what is best for the people of the world, and we simply believe that communism fits the description.

[anger is a gift]

i am fairly new in this forum so i will not preach but all i can say is that if it was easy, everyone would do it. the fact that it is hard makes it more rewarding to me. anyone can close their eyes and pretend not to see but that just ain't me. i did that for 20 years and now i want to change. if not the world, then maybe i will change myself and inspire some one else down the road. you must remeber that we are but a speck on the timeline of civilization. what we do now will most likely not have any consequence on the end result but someone has to get the ball rolling, why not us? i am sorry to hear that you have given up but then again, it is probaly for the best. when the time comes for action we need only those who are the most dedicated! fairwell and good luck trying not to care...

o ya, and about 9/11. i am more anti-american because of 9/11 than i was before. the way we have handle the situation is a fucking joke and makes me more ashamed to be an american

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Read my final statement about 11/9 plz and say what you think of it.

History=>Why is 11-9 so bad?=>first page

[Insomnia]

I GIVE UP

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Welcome back!

[knowledge is power]

[ but i decided not to fight it anymore. until now i pushed it back violently, from now on i will just ignore it, i will just retreat in my little universe untouched by the system.
i wonder what will you do when you feel that you're gonna go insane, when you're gonna live only on cigarettes&coffee, can't sleep at night and massive headaches.
[/quote]



"the greatest form of sanity that anyone can excercise is to resist that force which is pressing against you"
never stop fighting, never. It may seem like we are going nowhere, but every voice helps

[redstar2000]

I like the way Gene Debs put some 80 years or so ago: "It's better to fight for what you WANT and not get it than to fight for what you DON'T WANT and GET IT."

:cool:

[mentalbunny]

Never give up, then you are just showing how weak you are, it is so much better to die fighting for what you want than to die old and without hope. at least if you fight and weaken the right wing even as you fall then you are making a difference to the future but if you do nothing you are hindering those who you stand with ideologically, if you get me.

I know it gets tough, I have my doubts too, but we need everyone to do whatever they can to bring about truth, justice and equality for all as soon as possible.

[Beccie]

Quote: from Insomnia on 9:52 pm on Jan. 11, 2003
I'm telling you comrades, i'm tired, i'm tired of fighting, tired of struggling not to be influenced by the system, but what's the use? this is just the teen-age rebellion inside us talking. are you that sure in 10-15 years you'll be thinking the same things? you will probably not, you will be just a small piece of the system of the country you live in, and the country you live in will be a part of the system controlled by the anglo-american reign of power. let's face it ww3 may happen but comunism will not rise again. maybe i'm being pessimistic, maybe i'm just realistic about everything around me. we are all victims of the system. you wear sport shoes made by the big american corporations in 3rd world countries, you play and surf the net on computers made in the same way.
let's face it :Ignorance is bliss. there's no point fighting it. they can do whatever they want with your life, with your mind, with your country.
i was reading the massive manifest on the 9/11 attacks set by bombeverything and i realised a lot of ppl i know have been brainwashed by the anglo-american media system. i see so many ppl that are pro-US that it makes me sick. but i decided not to fight it anymore. until now i pushed it back violently, from now on i will just ignore it, i will just retreat in my little universe untouched by the system.
i wonder what will you do when you feel that you're gonna go insane, when you're gonna live only on cigarettes&coffee, can't sleep at night and massive headaches.


When I first read your post I could not relate to how you felt but I'm beginning to have similar feelings myself. I don't agree that it is just the teenage rebellion talking & I don't think I will ever get to the stage where I would consider wearing a pair of Nike shoes but I am beginning to lose hope. I would like to think that people are compassionate/decent & when exposed to the devilish Capitalist system would join the struggle for freedom and equality. When I say something remotely unpatriotic I am labeled a terrorist. When I try to raise political awareness people tell me to shut up, they don’t want to hear it. I go to protests that achieve little the world is still full of inequality and I don’t know what I, or others, can do about it. The more I struggle, protest and try to convert others the more depressed I get. Except I will not stop struggling and fighting. I cannot forget about the billions of suffering people worldwide. Every time I feel like giving up I think of how lucky I am compared to so many other people and it gives me the determination to go on. My fight is for them.

(Edited by Commie01 at 3:12 am on Jan. 17, 2003)

[Guardia Bolivariano]

For those who say Ignorance is Bliss, I just renembr this KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!
Ignorance just gives power to those who exploit.