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JohnTheMarxist
12th October 2005, 01:10
Hello everyone,

I am a member of a peace group in my town and a friend of mine just got back from Cuba. She went with a non profit organizationt o build playgrounds for children. It was supposed to be a non-political trip. Here are the observations she brought back to our group.

She said that the people were extremely friendly and seemed more relaxed than people here in the states. She said this was due to the fact that it wasn't a high speed rat race to work and everywhere else. There also aren't billboard adertisements and constant consumerism so people aren't stressed by feeling that they dont have this product or that product. She said that everyone has housing. Everyone also has healthcare but it is limited due to lack of supplies. For example, their dialisis machines need a certain part and only American comanies make it but because of the embargo they can't aquire this part. This seems like state sanctioned murder on the part of the US. She said the people freely admit they are poor but housing, healthcare, and education thru college are all free. Food is a minimal price.

She said that no one looked like they were in need of food in fact she said they looked healthy, however peoples pets such as dogs did not look healthy. She said the housing was old and minimal but most had electricity and every house she was in had tile floors. Every day a Cuban neighborhood would cook their group a big meal. The cubans put them up in a 5 star hotel despite the groups protests. They placed a cuban flag along side an american flag for all of the gorups memebrs in their rooms as a sign of solidarity.

The flag in Cuba flies at half staff and will remain that way until the US military base at Guananamo Bay is closed. She said there is definately freedom of religion. She saw a fully operational Baptists and Catholic Church with paritioners and you could hear singing and praising coming from the churches. She was able to visit a school and was told all schools in Havana were given full internet access two years ago. Each class room has 15 students to one teacher. If you drop out of highschool you must join the military for 2 years. After your two years are up you have the option of taking a test to see what skill you are best at and the governemnt will send you back to school to major in that subject.

People were very surprised and suspcisious to see Americans in their country and many were weary of letting their children around capitalists in the begginging but soon became very friendly with the group. At the end of their trip a band played the Cuban and American national anthems back to back for the group.

My friend said it seemed as though debate is very much alive in Cuba and the big debate now is over what will happen when Castro is gone. She said most of the people that she met absolutely hate Raul Castro and hope he does not succeed his brother. They view him as stupid, lazy and resting on Fidel's popularity.

Their cab driver said all tips made by private workers must be taken back to their place of employment and evenly distributed with workers for the company who dont recieve tips. Also, it is taxed and distributed in the country. My friend aske dwhy he doesnt just pocket the money and he said " I believe it is wrong to make a profit and leave my co-workers behind."

The lone Republican in the group was amazed at the level of racial integration. Everyone in the group said they had never seen so many interacial couples and so many different ethnicities having fun and socializing and living together. My friend said they are far more racially integrated than the US. Also, she said that many in Cuba told her being gay is no big deal, and She staye dnear a gay club that was open at all hours of the night. So all of the capitlaist fear mongering about Cuba hating gays appears to be trash.

Also, she said that condoms and birth control are completely free of charge and freely available to eveyrone. Also, she said she never saw any large gap between classes in Cuba. She said that therre were some Cubans that had a little more money than other but she wouldnt say they were rich. She said the Cubans with the most money were hotel and taxi workers, and musicians. She said it seemed to be a problem because doctors and teachers were going to work in the hotels because it pays more. Cuba will have to work on this. So there are the things I was told about Cuba. Oh, and she also brought back an english translation of Granma news...the communist newspaper.

Orthodox Marxist
12th October 2005, 02:15
Interesting when I was there many of them had ration cards that only lasted for about 20-25 days I met a guy who hadnt anything to eat in 4 days he came over to where we were staying so he could practice his english for university(If you dont pass university you go to automatic enlistment in the armed forces)

the people were friendly they seemed to be short on many things that people in western countries take for granted american Imperialism might have ruined cuba financially but it hasnt ruined their spirit

JohnTheMarxist
12th October 2005, 02:18
Interesting.Well as I said She was onlythere for a week and worked 8 hour days so she didnt have much time for socializing and it was a non political trip. These are merely the things she said she learned while there.

Red Flag
12th October 2005, 04:09
Comrade, those molestarios that like to "practice" their English are many times nothing more than common hustlers of the brand that exist anywhere tourism flourishes.

Caloric intake in Cuba is 111% of the FAO requirment, and that's much higher than most all Latin America.

Also, the breeds of dogs in the caribbean tend to be like greyhounds, that is "skin and bones" no matter what they're fed.

drain.you
12th October 2005, 08:02
I would quite like to visit Cuba myself. Hear a lot of mixed opinion on its current state.
I thought it was hard to get into the country. Anyone know if this is true?

Red Flag
12th October 2005, 09:00
It's not hard at all. Where'd you hear that? You buy a ticket and go.

drain.you
12th October 2005, 09:20
dunno where i heard it. but i was told security was high and they werent keen to just let anyone in

ComradeOm
12th October 2005, 09:20
Just don't get your passport stamped if you ever want to visit the US ;)

Orthodox Marxist
12th October 2005, 12:47
from what I heard its not hard to go to cuba americans just arent allowed to spend any money there the U.S is hoping to strangle cuba in the economic field the situation has gotten so bad that when you go to the airport to go home you have to pay 25$ american to leave the country

bolshevik butcher
12th October 2005, 16:44
Well that's good to here. However it msut be accpeted that this was just one visit.

Scottish_Militant
12th October 2005, 17:44
I will be visiting Cuba (and hopefully Venezuela too) next October, im greatly looking forward to it.

Ownthink
12th October 2005, 19:42
Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 01:25 PM
I will be visiting Cuba (and hopefully Venezuela too) next October, im greatly looking forward to it.
I really look forward to hearing back from you on that trip.

chebol
13th October 2005, 02:07
Why in October?

If you wait until December, you could be in Venezuela for the presidential elections, then go on to Cuba for the celebration of the revolution at new years.

Of course it all depends on your timetable and personal restrictions. Just a thought tho'.

Scottish_Militant
13th October 2005, 05:27
It's partly to do with when I can can get the cheapest deal to go, and partly because it's the most convenient time for me to take of work.

Ideally i'd love to go for the things you mentioned, i'll just need to start saving again as soon as I get back ;)

patrickbeverley
15th October 2005, 17:08
Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 01:51 AM
A friend of mine just got back from Cuba ... So there are the things I was told about Cuba.
If all that is true, I'm going to live there. :)

*PRC*Kensei
15th October 2005, 21:34
For Fuck Sake :angry:

20 minutes ago when i whas out to a party a whole group of people started telling about how bad cuba whas when they went there & they never saw so bad things & blablabla - let me guess, apart from cuba their farest yourny whas their back-garden ? - & i had a hard time defending socialism.. - however i also think fidel is "A little" to long in charge... what he did witht he revolution is the act of a hero.. but it's time to leave the power to someone else now... anyway thats another discussion -

and now i see they where all wrong with their bar-talk stories...and i should have pushed trough defending cuba...

deak
15th October 2005, 22:52
I will be visiting Cuba (and hopefully Venezuela too) next October, im greatly looking forward to it.

Well, if you can you should surely check out Venezuala. I've been there a few times and loved it. I have not been there since the Bolvarian Rev. with Chavez so I'd love to hear how it has changed, if at all. When I was there I saw basically only two types of people: the wealthy and the horribly poor. There was pretty much no middle class an dmuch of the poor populations were never formally educated. I found Caracass to be an amazing city although very very crime ridden. My cousin who lives there was kidnapped and so was my Uncle durring seperate car jacking insidents and suspected that it was done by corrupt off duty cops because of their weapons and shoes. I remember one time i visited (probably 8 or 9 years ago), the new mayor of Caracass was a former beauty queen and she began to employ college student to patrol the city on foot and on skateboards because she hoped that they were not going to be corrupt. Outside of Caracas was just hudge ghettos of tiny shacks thrown together from scraps and trash where the really poor lived. Most had no electricity except the ones that ran wires and tapped into the electric grid illegally. I must admit that my step-family who are from Venezuala were upper-class and did not support Chavez, mostly I believe because of the enormous anti-Chavez propoganda machine withinbthe country who disseminate lies such as that he is extremely corrupt. A paper even came out saying that he was mentally unstable (probably much of these lies are financed by the US). Pluss, it is also due to the fact that they ARE wealthy and fear losing it and having to live as the other people must. I remember them telling me that universities were aproxametly 20 American dollars a quarter although their entrance exams were extremely difficult and so much of the undereducated underclass cannot take advantage of the system despite its low cost.

Anyways, I'm telling you all this because I'd love to find out if, when you visit, things have improved or gotten worse or what. I think Chavez's tactics are a model that is interesting and should be examined and learned from and I am hoping that he may have found something that would be beneficial to the world. Regardless, he's got a lot of work ahead of him if he wants to balance the system there.

Tekun
17th October 2005, 10:38
Great to hear that Cubans are strong in the spirit of revolution, despite America's efforts to crush em

Viva Cuba :cuba:

Cuba is far better off than all of Latin America and its so called "democracy"

Kalashnikov: U gotta post how your trip when u come back

I'd love to go to Cuba and help any way I can, not to mention soak up the revolutionary spirit :)