Guerilla warfare

[drain.you]

Hey guys,
Anyone know where I could find a copy of the book Guevara wrote on Guerilla warfare? I would prefer finding a copy to read online and preferably in english. I haven't actively looked myself but can't recall ever coming across it. Cheers.

[that1guy435]

You can buy it here (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0803270755/qid=1129080088/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-9513549-3323865?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) As for reading it online...ain't gonna happen. Crazy little thing called copywrite infringment.

[matiasm]

Yeah i bought it, its very good acutally. I recommend it.

I`m in australia took me 6 weeks to get it from the day i ordered it.

[Scars]

You can get it online fairly easily. It's floating round the place. As for copywrite, fuck them. Che wouldn't want anyone to adhere to fuck things.

[drain.you]

lol. Yeah i would have thought it should be available online. Buying it is ironic as a communist buying the communist manifesto. I'm certainly not giving any money I don't have to, to the capitalists. The very fact they produce communist theory books and such annoys the hell out of me.

[TupacAndChe4Eva]

Fuck copyright. They can kiss my ass.

Link ( you need a torrent-client):-

http://www.torrentspy.com/directory.asp?mo...20330&query=che (http://www.torrentspy.com/directory.asp?mode=torrentdetails&id=220330&query=che)

[fernando]

You could also try to look around on Russian websites, they dont have those copyright/internet laws yet, so you can download practically everything there!

[Taiga]

Fernando is right. That's why I love the RUnet :lol:

Here you are, comrade drain.you:
Guerilla Warfare (http://chehasta.narod.ru/guerillaeng.htm)

Other Che texts (http://chehasta.narod.ru/cheguevaraeng.htm)

[Karl Marx's Camel]

You can buy it here As for reading it online...ain't gonna happen. Crazy little thing called copywrite infringment.

Here you go (http://www.bellum.nu/literature/guevara001.html)

[drain.you]

Excellent guys, cheers for the assistance :D

[that1guy435]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 05:05 PM

You can buy it here As for reading it online...ain't gonna happen. Crazy little thing called copywrite infringment.

Here you go (http://www.bellum.nu/literature/guevara001.html)
Oops... :blink:

[drain.you]

^ lol.

[Le Libérer]

If you guys have any more links to Che's writings online, please post them here. I will split and make it into a new pinned topic when we get more. Thanks. Debora

[Severian]

Che Guevara Internet Archive - 14 articles and speeches (http://www.marxists.org/archive/guevara/works.htm)

[KC]

This should probably be renamed to "Literature By Che" or something like that.

[workersunity]

haymarket books probably has it

www.haymarket.com i think

pathfinder press should have it as well as ak press

[Fidel Follower]

i'll tell you what is a good book. Guerrilla Warfare & Marxism it has lots of ideas and pieces written by Che Guevara, Lenin, Castro, Marx and many others a really good read!

[which doctor]

I bought my communist manifesto for about 4 dollars at borders. I also saw che's book on guerilla warfare there, but it was kinda thick so it was probaly a few dollars more.

[Guerrilla22]

Be sure to read Episodes of the Cuban Revolutionary War also. As well as On Guerrilla warfare by Mao.

[Le Libérer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 05:28 PM
I don't know if you say "guerilla warfare", but you probably saw "guerrilla warfare" :lol:

They say the book is out of print (Ive contacted several distributors), so if you find a copy it might be a good idea to pick it up.

You can also download it from the link I gave and print your own ;)
Exactly. Thanks for the reminder of what this thread is for, CompaneroDeLibertad. I have looked in several places as well, I cant find it either.

[I'm the red under your bed]

Ive read Che's book and i enjoyed it,i also think you should read the Bolivian diary,his last book he wrote, this was just before he was killed.

[Red Rebel]

What did everyone think of Che's "Guerrilla Warfare."

Personaly I though it was a little to simple. And when applied to Congo and Bolivia it did not work.

[Guerrilla1008]

i thought Che's book on Guerrilla Warfare was awesome i read it i and i can really find it useful and everything. he really helps explains what you need to do and everything to make a successfull Guerrilla campaign. I also read Mao's but i found Che's a lot better i still recommend Mao but if you had to choose bewtween the two choose che's. also about to start reading the works of Vo Nguyen Giap? just wondering and if anyone had any feedback.

[benthehen100]

you can download a copy for free from limewire in a word document.im not sure if it is the full text however, as it is only 16 pages long.

[ElCheanarchy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2006, 08:10 PM
you can download a copy for free from limewire in a word document.im not sure if it is the full text however, as it is only 16 pages long.
there are several books on limewire but u never know when they are available u can serch and find nothing, 1 minute later it will be there. I have one in english and one in spanish.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Where can I find some of the works of Vo Nguyen Giap?

[Red Rebel]

But when Che Guevara tried to apply his tactics, they failed. So isn't his books/idea of coming about a Revolution a failure?

[FULL METAL JACKET]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 18 2006, 06:32 PM
But when Che Guevara tried to apply his tactics, they failed. So isn't his books/idea of coming about a Revolution a failure?
Did he fail in Cuba? He was a key figure in the Cuban revolution.

I know what you mean with Bolivia and all, but remember when you read Guerrilla Warfare you should not read as a handbook read it as a historical document.

[Red Rebel]

Did he fail in Cuba? He was a key figure in the Cuban revolution.

That is part of the problem. He based his ideas off the Cuban Revolution. He tried to apply the Cuban Revolution tactics in the Congo and Bolivia.

[Opus]

I have a copy of it right here beside me. A place out of Montreal published it.

http://www.kersplebedeb.com/

Check it out.

[hassan monwar al-moudjahid]

i am reading this book now!

[Americancommi]

Does reading his book offline keep any money from Che's estate? I'm not sure they would want the money but if they do I don't want to steal money from Che's family. Also was the link given before the full book? One more thing does the site http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/books/literate.html a legitamate place, they arn't just gonna rip me off are they?

[Solitary Mind]

If you ask me, the Minimanual of the Urban Guerilla is much better...i know, outdated thread, but for someone who happens to look, the book by Carlos is in my opinion better

[bcbm]

Originally posted by Lennie [email protected] 20 2006, 02:22 PM
They're for two different situations.. Carlos supported Che's views on Guerrilla Warfare in the countryside.
If I recall correctly, didn't Marighella believe in guerrilla actions in the cities in support of those in the countryside, with the countryside eventually being taken over and the rural guerrillas surrounding the cities?

[Solitary Mind]

Originally posted by Lennie [email protected] 20 2006, 08:22 PM
They're for two different situations.. Carlos supported Che's views on Guerrilla Warfare in the countryside.
true

[Red Rebel]

No one really answered my question, since Che's theory didn't work in the Congo or Bolivia, did that mean he was wrong?

[Ze]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 24 2006, 11:30 PM
No one really answered my question, since Che's theory didn't work in the Congo or Bolivia, did that mean he was wrong?
Yes and no. He misjudged the political and social conditions in Bolivia and the Congo that is needed for a successful revolution. The methods to fight an effective revolutionary guerrilla war were correct.

By any chance does anyone know where I can get my hands on Mao's little red book? I tried to buy it online but it was out of stock.

[Red Rebel]

He misjudged the political and social conditions in Bolivia and the Congo that is needed for a successful revolution.

But he said that guerrillas could make the nesecary conditions that might be lacking for a revolution.

[Ze]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 10 2006, 10:32 AM

He misjudged the political and social conditions in Bolivia and the Congo that is needed for a successful revolution.

But he said that guerrillas could make the nesecary conditions that might be lacking for a revolution.
Yes and no. I believe it's more accurate to say that guerrillas are responsible in teaching and leading the populace from an apolitical stance into active supporters of the revolution and the guerrillas by becoming guerrillas themselves, giving material support to the guerrillas and most importantly by mass protests and acts of civil disobedience against the opressing gov't.

Guerrillas can definitely create some non-existing conditions in order for a revolution to happen, but ultimately its up to the people. I believe it was Che who said "the people liberate themselves." So in short; it's sort of like that leading a horse to water analogy. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it.

[Red Rebel]

hmm thanks. :)


I believe it's more accurate to say that guerrillas are responsible in teaching and leading the populace from an apolitical stance into active supporters of the revolution and the guerrillas by becoming guerrillas themselves

Isn't that more of the Maoist's "people's war" rather than Che's focoism (small group of guerrillas fight instead of the people).

[loveme4whoiam]

Does Che really think that? From what I've read of and by him he grasped and supported the fact that there cannot be a guerrilla war without the people's support. Ze's statement is right on the money (hmm, not a very Marxist cliche is it :P), but I would have said that Che believed that the small group of guerrillas fought for the people who could not, rather than instead of. They are not independent of the people, rather the armed extension of them.

Whether this is the definition of Mao's people's war I don't know, I haven't read any of Mao's stuff yet.

[Labor Shall Rule]

Fuck guerilla tactics. Fuck Che.

[loveme4whoiam]

Uh-huh. Good contribution RedDali.




Just for the sake of starting a flame war, care to elaborate?

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 09:39 PM
Fuck guerilla tactics. Fuck Che.
what? Why?

[RedAnarchist]

I actually got my copy of Guerilla Warfare from an old woman who lives next door, along with loads of other communist literature.

[Red Rebel]

Does Che really think that? From what I've read of and by him he grasped and supported the fact that there cannot be a guerrilla war without the people's support.

I wasn't clear. Che knew he needed the peoples support. Only a few armed soldiers would be fighting though, unlike a People's War in which the entire population is mobilized to fight.

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 09:41 AM
By any chance does anyone know where I can get my hands on Mao's little red book? I tried to buy it online but it was out of stock.
It's available in PDF format here and there of course, but I'm guessing you want a hard copy.

Well... sorry, can't stop the fingers, I actually scored an original first English edition of the Little Red Book :blush: in near mint condition! Peking 1966 just too fucking cool. One of the top 10 coolest books I have. Not that I'm a huge Maoist, I'm just a book nut oustide of my political beliefs.

If you are looking for something original, 60's or 70's, your best bet is www.abebooks.com

[Dóchas]

one of the reasons that che failed in the congo was that the african rebels that he was working with were undisciplined and untrained. the reasons he failed in bolivia were that he and the other gurrillas learnt the wrong language so they couldnt communicate with the locals, the bolivian communist party promised to help them but then didnt pull through, the radios that were given to him were faulty so he couldnt contact cuba and the fact that the american government sent CIA agents to train the bolivian army in jungle warfare didnt help

so it was a mix of being unprepared and unforeseen obstacles that was the reason that che failed, although i dont believe he failed because he inspired thousands and even today continues to inspire.

[Chambered Word]

If you guys want his book on Guerilla Warfare in a pdf to download you can get it on the Everything a Kommando Needs torrent. Should be able to find it on Google. Go to the popular books section and it'll be there.

As for me, I want some of his older stuff.

[Chambered Word]

I wasn't clear. Che knew he needed the peoples support. Only a few armed soldiers would be fighting though, unlike a People's War in which the entire population is mobilized to fight.

He stated specifically that a revolutionary organization did not need the people's immediate support to begin a successful revolution.

[ellipsis]

I host it on my blog, along with a dozen or so guerrilla manuals (see signature, look in side bar of blog). The book is on amazon, which is where i got my copy.

Guerrilla Warfare (.pdf) (http://pages.google.com/edit/therevolutionscript/CheGuevara-GuerrillaWarfare.pdf)

[ellipsis]

Isn't that more of the Maoist's "people's war" rather than Che's focoism (small group of guerrillas fight instead of the people).

Actually foquismo refers to the theory that a guerrilla insurrection can create the conditions for a revolution and that the guerrilla does not have to wait for these conditions before starting their insurrection. This is an extremely controversial idea.

[amandevsingh]

i thought Che's book on Guerrilla Warfare was awesome i read it i and i can really find it useful and everything. he really helps explains what you need to do and everything to make a successfull Guerrilla campaign. I also read Mao's but i found Che's a lot better i still recommend Mao but if you had to choose bewtween the two choose che's. also about to start reading the works of Vo Nguyen Giap? just wondering and if anyone had any feedback.

Mao and Giap gave the best accounts and strategies of Guerrilla war, they are sure to work. Che just goes into great detail, most of which is no longer applicable.

[pastradamus]

No one really answered my question, since Che's theory didn't work in the Congo or Bolivia, did that mean he was wrong?

No it did work on the issue of bolivia. He was making good ground and recruits until he was betrayed by the Bolivian Communist Party and Mario Monje.

On the issue of the Congo. He was disillusioned with both the peoples ability to fight a guerrilla campaign and also the other commanding officers. He became frustrated by the way in which the men were insubordinate to commanders and often acted against one another.

[CHE with an AK]

In his death Che has been a key inspiration to communist, nationalist, anarchist, and revolutionaries of all types. Through “Guerrilla Warfare” Che has given inspiration to countless warriors against oppression, whether they’ve put his words into action or have just held them in the hearts, Che has been the spiritual leader of revolution for over fifty years and will be for many years to come.

Like Marion, Giap, Gelayev, and Mao, Che showed that the classic style of conventional warfare, with its seemingly endless supplies, political pawnbroking, and a-typical tactics could be defeated by bands of men, and women, whose dedication far outweighed there abilities, and could defeat and cripple the most powerful of adversaries. These ideas and practices that Che epitomized give testament to the legacy and to the man Che Guevara was.

[Quinn]

I think this book is very overrated. It won't apply to any upcoming militant revolution. Fedel's and Che's revolution were fought in the countryside. The Neo-Revolution will be fought in cities. I think your best bet to read the best up-to-date guerrilla tactics is Blood In My Eye by George Jackson (now dead Black Panther, my favorite book) or various essays by Robert F. Williams (militant civil rights activist from Monroe, NC. Namely, Urban Guerrilla Tactics and USA: The Potential for a Minority Revolution) These are phenomenal texts.

[ellipsis]

I think this book is very overrated. It won't apply to any upcoming militant revolution. Fedel's and Che's revolution were fought in the countryside. The Neo-Revolution will be fought in cities. I think your best bet to read the best up-to-date guerrilla tactics is Blood In My Eye by George Jackson (now dead Black Panther, my favorite book) or various essays by Robert F. Williams (militant civil rights activist from Monroe, NC. Namely, Urban Guerrilla Tactics and USA: The Potential for a Minority Revolution) These are phenomenal texts.

You are new to the forum, so FYI we don't allow "necroing" of threads, i.e. posting in dead threads that haven't had posts for awhile. This thread certainly qualifies. Please don't necro. And welcome to the forum.