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tatu
11th October 2005, 18:33
Can anyone tell me more about Saddam as a CIA puppet? Suggest more links?

Saddam key in early CIA plot (http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030410-070214-6557r)
Saddam as puppet dictator played by the US Administration (http://deeperpolitics.gnn.tv/blogs/6897/Saddam_as_puppet_dictator_played_by_the_US_Adminis tration)
A Timeline of CIA Atrocities (http://home.att.net/~Resurgence/CIAtimeline.html)
How west helped Saddam gain power and decimate the Iraqi elite (http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/features98/saddam.htm)

Colombia
12th October 2005, 16:07
Well you already seem to have plenty of valuable links. Do you have any specific questions about this though?

tatu
13th October 2005, 12:05
Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 03:48 PM
Well you already seem to have plenty of valuable links. Do you have any specific questions about this though?
I'd just like to know what other people think of Saddam being a CIA puppet.

Intifada
13th October 2005, 12:12
Originally posted by tatu+Oct 13 2005, 11:46 AM--> (tatu @ Oct 13 2005, 11:46 AM)
[email protected] 12 2005, 03:48 PM
Well you already seem to have plenty of valuable links. Do you have any specific questions about this though?
I'd just like to know what other people think of Saddam being a CIA puppet. [/b]
It shows that Saddam Hussein is not an anti-imperialist, as some so-called "Marxists" have claimed.

He was an opportunistic tyrant.

RedJacobin
13th October 2005, 17:25
I may be wrong, but I thought that oil was nationalized under Saddam and some sort of national industrialization was carried out. If that's correct, it doesn't mean he wasn't oppressive, but it shows that the situation was much more complex than him being a CIA puppet, more so a representative of a national bourgeoisie? Thoughts?

dragonoverlord
14th October 2005, 20:57
Saddam was a friend of the west early on then in the 90s i suppose they began to dislike him and he was a puppet early on that is clear.

Free Palestine
14th October 2005, 21:35
This is actually a pretty handy timeline of puppet Saddam's rise to power: http://www.ericblumrich.com/thanks.html

tatu
17th October 2005, 11:40
Originally posted by Free [email protected] 14 2005, 09:16 PM
This is actually a pretty handy timeline of puppet Saddam's rise to power: http://www.ericblumrich.com/thanks.html
Thanks for that. It is in indeed, to quote you, "handy".
Here are some articles of a similair matter regarding the Pinochet and BAE Systems scandal:

Link 1 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/armstrade/story/0,10674,1570336,00.html)
Link 2 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4247550.stm)

bolshevik butcher
17th October 2005, 12:27
If anyones interested teh wars against Saddam by John Simpsons a great book about Sadams rise to power, his downfall and what happened inbetween.

Saddam was installe by the CIA and used by them. Some leftist groups did see him as an anti-imperialist hero, but that seems an odd way of looking at sutch a tyranical figure, who gassed curds and waged wars on his neighbours.

Severian
17th October 2005, 18:20
Sorry, he was never a "CIA puppet".

He was supported by the U.S., against the Iraqi working class and the Iranian revolution.

But he was never wholly theirs in the way that, say, the shah of Iran was.

To a large extent, the Ba'athist regime represented the interests of Iraq's national capitalist class, and took measures like nationalizing the oil industry, which advanced the national capitalist development of Iraq.

And its primary foreign sponsors were France and the USSR. Including during the Iran-Iraq war, they were larger sources of military aid than the U.S.

The U.S.' competition with these powers was one of the driving forces behind its wars against Iraq.

TC
17th October 2005, 20:40
Uhhhh if Saddam is a CIA puppet they clearly didn't get their money's worth lol. Might want to reevaluate those hiring policies.

The fact that he accepted CIA help when offered against common enemies such as the Ayatollahs hardly makes him a 'CIA puppet.' Saddam and the Ba'ath party have always been anti-imperialist, they stood for socialism, arab unity and freedom, meaning freedom from imperialism.

Severian
17th October 2005, 21:26
"Saddam and the Ba'ath party have always been anti-imperialist, they stood for socialism, arab unity and freedom, meaning freedom from imperialism."

That statement is, of course, much farther from the truth than the statement that Saddam was a CIA puppet!