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[Marat]

Remember what Lenin wrote in Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism. The super-profits that are reaped from imperialist ventures abroad are used to bribe certain important segments of the labor movement and therefore will eventually forestall revolution.

We need to make the revolution while imperialism is confined to this planet earth and not when the capitalists venture out into Mars and beyond with their colonial conquests. If they extend their hegemony to our solar system and beyond then all hope is lost.

[h&s]

No individual country has the right to claim ownership of land on other planets - the Outer Space Treaty.
Even if imperialism gaining resources on other palnets does drag back revolution as Lenin said, don't forget the class nature of society - the revolution is inevitable, it is not a case of if, but when.

[Marat]

The resources of planet earth are limited. The resources of outer space are limitless. If the advanced imperialist countries such as the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Japan etc. extend their hegemony to other planets then the revolution will be forestalled definitely. The time to act is now while we're still on earth and capable of struggle.

We all know Bush wants the U.S. to set foot on Mars. The villiany that will take place when the U.S. does set foot on Mars is too awful to contemplate.

Since when do treaties restrain states from acting out their diabolical purposes?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty

[h&s]

If the advanced imperialist countries such as the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Japan etc. extend their hegemony to other planets then the revolution will be forestalled definitely.
Why?
If anything it will create a larger, more exploited proletariat.

[Marat]

The conquest of of other planets for empire building will forestall revolution. The super-profits taken from the colonial acquisition will provide artificial prosperity for the mother country's working class. Citizens in the mother country will lose class-consciousness.

[bolshevik butcher]

You know i thought htis thread was some kind of joke at first. You know that it will be a hell of a long time before there are real colonies in space liek you imagine.

[Colombia]

These other planets have resources which diminish as well you know. But like Fist said before, this ain't going to happen for some time.

[Red Flag]

Yeah, this is way off in the distance.. there are much more important things to focus on in the mean time.

[Marat]

Yeah but Bush and his cronies are thinking about it very seriously and right now!!!!!

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 02:29 PM
Yeah but Bush and his cronies are thinking about it very seriously and right now!!!!!
They are? Where is your evidence to support this? And there thinking of it right now, as we speak this very same moment?

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by Fist of Blood+Oct 11 2005, 08:30 PM--> (Fist of Blood @ Oct 11 2005, 08:30 PM)
[email protected] 11 2005, 02:29 PM
Yeah but Bush and his cronies are thinking about it very seriously and right now!!!!!
They are? Where is your evidence to support this? And there thinking of it right now, as we speak this very same moment? [/b]
marat sees all.

[drain.you]

If countries are going to go off and colonize new planets, what would stop communists grouping together and creating a communist planet? I dont think we have too much to fear from ET colonies anyway.

[bcbm]

Haven't you guys played Red Faction, or seen any space colonization anime? Once we move people to new planets, they'll demand autonomy from Earth and all sorts of crazy shit will go down.

[drain.you]

haha. red fraction is great fun.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Actually, uprisings would be easier on colonies and space stations.
The reason? If a space colony or orbital station secedes from an Earth-based hegemony, the hegemony has no real option with regard to enforcing their will on the population of said colony/station. Sure, they could launch an attack on the rebels, but not without risking irrecoverable damage to their objective.
Of course, outright destruction remains an option, but if they were to do that then they would have to build it all over again, which uses precious resources, and they would have to deal with the political fallout of killing thousands or more people.

Note also that life in the rest of the solar system would be quite different to life on Earth - with your life depending on the well-being of those who maintain your atmosphere scrubbers, airlocks, and other life support systems, one would be more inclined to take into consideration others when making decisions. But at the same time, you have this independance from other ships/colonies unlike any other, in effect creating socialism within and anarchy without.

With this comes the hope that by the time living in space is easy/er than living on Earth, that we will live in a much fairer world than we do today.

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 11 2005, 05:13 PM
Haven't you guys played Red Faction, or seen any space colonization anime? Once we move people to new planets, they'll demand autonomy from Earth and all sorts of crazy shit will go down.
Was just gonna say that. I think it probably would be much easier, as governing would be more "difficult".

PS, Red Faction Kicks Utmost Ass. A Socialist game if I ever saw one.

[Reuben]

can somebody tell me why people gibving this ridiculous thread the time of day, let alone taking it seriously?

Reuben

[drain.you]

To be fair, this forum might not even be here if Marx hadn't sat down and thought about the future. Its all good learning from the past but we gotta look to the future.
Besides, its a forum, someone has had a thought and expressed it, we're commenting on it.

[Young Juche League]

What's to stop the socialist states of the world developing teir own extra-terestrial colonies? Third world states would be denied the recources from other planets, and thus would still be just as likely to undergo a socialist revolution. Plus the fact, extra-terestrial colonies could be the next wall street crash, if investment in that area were held up by some dissaster. (look at the state of NASA today)

[drain.you]

Its hard enough for capitalism to hold down their beliefs nowadays, just on this planet. The last century saw loads of revolutions. Theres so many leftwing groups active today too, like us here, anti-war demonstrators, socialist governments in alot of Europe and stuff going on in South America. Imagine the kind of force and money that would be required to prevent communist revolution on a interplanetary scale.

[h&s]

The conquest of of other planets for empire building will forestall revolution. The super-profits taken from the colonial acquisition will provide artificial prosperity for the mother country's working class. Citizens in the mother country will lose class-consciousness.
No they will not. Do you not know where profit comes from? It comes directly off the backs of the working class.
Super-profits are going to create a super-exploited working class, and this class is far more likely to start a revolution.
Also not all countries will be able to have colonies, so the working class of those with no colonies is going to be able to rise up even if what you claim is true.


Originally posted by Reuben
can somebody tell me why people gibving this ridiculous thread the time of day, let alone taking it seriously?


Becuase we are bored and have nothing better to do. :D