Religion in School

[anarchy]

I was just wondering, do you think religion has a place in school? If so, what kind of religion would be best suiting. Just a random question I felt the need to ask, i've been wondering about this for a while. If you have a formally taught religion at your school, what kind is it?

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 08:13 PM
I was just wondering, do you think religion has a place in school? If so, what kind of religion would be best suiting. Just a random question I felt the need to ask, i've been wondering about this for a while. If you have a formally taught religion at your school, what kind is it?
No. Abolish the entire fucking thing. Destroy it. Smash it.

[anarchy]

Originally posted by Ownthink+Oct 10 2005, 08:15 PM--> (Ownthink @ Oct 10 2005, 08:15 PM)
[email protected] 10 2005, 08:13 PM
I was just wondering, do you think religion has a place in school? If so, what kind of religion would be best suiting. Just a random question I felt the need to ask, i've been wondering about this for a while. If you have a formally taught religion at your school, what kind is it?
No. Abolish the entire fucking thing. Destroy it. Smash it. [/b]
ok,thanks for the opinion. :P

[KC]

I was just wondering, do you think religion has a place in school? If so, what kind of religion would be best suiting. Just a random question I felt the need to ask, i've been wondering about this for a while. If you have a formally taught religion at your school, what kind is it?

If you can scientifically prove it, sure!

[anarchy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 08:28 PM

I was just wondering, do you think religion has a place in school? If so, what kind of religion would be best suiting. Just a random question I felt the need to ask, i've been wondering about this for a while. If you have a formally taught religion at your school, what kind is it?

If you can scientifically prove it, sure!
Scientifically prove the theories and idealoligies(don't know if I spelled that right) in the Bible you mean? Ok.

[anarchy]

Religion used to be taught in many schools, what do you think it would take to make things this way again? do you think this would EVER happen again?

[KC]

Religion used to be taught in many schools, what do you think it would take to make things this way again? do you think this would EVER happen again?

It should never happen. Ever.

[anarchy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 09:25 PM

Religion used to be taught in many schools, what do you think it would take to make things this way again? do you think this would EVER happen again?

It should never happen. Ever.
Ok, cool thanks for the opinion.

[which doctor]

I go to a catholic school for a variety of reasons none of them being religious. Sometimes I get pissed off when we start talking about god in the classroom when in public school we wouldn't be able to do that. I went to a public high school last year and I liked publich high school a bit better. I do have a religion class, but as long as you keep the teacher off the topic of religion the class is pretty interesting. The school is also an abbey so many monks teach some of the classes. Most of the students there don't really care much about religion so it's pretty cool and I met some liberal chicks that are fun. But I think religion has no place in school or in any other public institutions. It should be a personal thing.

[Erythromycin-diazepam]

religion doesnt have a place anywhere, i agree with ownthink


"No. Abolish the entire fucking thing. Destroy it. Smash it. "

[Che NJ]

I was just wondering, do you think religion has a place in school?
easy question NO

Religion used to be taught in many schools, what do you think it would take to make things this way again? do you think this would EVER happen again?
I heard 90% of school curriculum was religion at the beginning of the 20th century. Now somewhere around 5% is religious, all of it taught in private schools. For religion in school to make a comeback, conservative christians would only be able to do it at the state level (if you live in the states. If you don't it probably won't make a comeback.). It's prohibited in the constitution, but that's been ripped up after the passage of the patriot act. It means nothing now.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Religion has no place in a modern society. It should be removed from public life, including schools.

[tatu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 12:13 AM
I was just wondering, do you think religion has a place in school? If so, what kind of religion would be best suiting. Just a random question I felt the need to ask, i've been wondering about this for a while. If you have a formally taught religion at your school, what kind is it?
No. Religion should not play a major role in any school curriculum. I believe that religion/theology should be taught in the context of historical knowledge. But I don’t think that it should be taught as way of life, because it contradicts true scientific/historical teachings e.g. how can your tell you child that dinosaurs have never existed?

[Red Flag]

religion doesnt have a place anywhere

I don't think it can be said much better than this.

[anarchy]

Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 10 2005, 09:42 PM
I go to a catholic school for a variety of reasons none of them being religious. Sometimes I get pissed off when we start talking about god in the classroom when in public school we wouldn't be able to do that. I went to a public high school last year and I liked publich high school a bit better. I do have a religion class, but as long as you keep the teacher off the topic of religion the class is pretty interesting. The school is also an abbey so many monks teach some of the classes. Most of the students there don't really care much about religion so it's pretty cool and I met some liberal chicks that are fun. But I think religion has no place in school or in any other public institutions. It should be a personal thing.
yeah, that would be annoying. Yeah, i know what you mean. Also with church, it's personal, but it should be a choice. Thanks 4 posting.

[Red Flag]

It's not a choice. You're forced into at child birth. No one is born with this bullshit in their head.

I submit that if you educated a child in the sciences from birth, showed them critical thinking -- if they knew how to deduct and reason, the thought of a "god" would probably never pop into their heads.

[bolshevik butcher]

Right, im not for religon in school like bush is. But i think that we should learn about different religons, like we do in religous educaiton. We even learned about athiesm. It dispells all this reactionary bull shit about good and bad religons.

[Colombia]

The public should never have anything to do with religion. What one chooses to do in the comfort of his home however, is a different story.

[KC]

Right, im not for religon in school like bush is. But i think that we should learn about different religons, like we do in religous educaiton. We even learned about athiesm. It dispells all this reactionary bull shit about good and bad religons.

There is no such thing as a good, or tolerable, religion. They are all equally foolish.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 12:28 AM
If you can scientifically prove it, sure!
What is scientific "proof"? Science proved the world was flat, was round, is made up of four elements, is made up of many....science is just the latest in thing, but I get the point at least the methods have some correlation to logic. Not that logic is infallible.

Religion itself should not be taught in schools, neither should political, economic or philisophical theory. In fact after mathmatics and language all should be completely optional except perhaps exercise.

People should have the right to study religion, it is an interesting subject, but they should also have the right not to be preached to.

[Orthodox Marxist]

no religion should not be allowed in schools its a system of brainwashing and manipulation of the masses. Its a way to control you through fear ie-hell these concepts are drilled into our heads at an early age so we can conform to the churches vision of what we should be.Religion is the Invention of man used throughout history to justify despicable acts and to bring the people to its knees

[KC]

What is scientific "proof"? Science proved the world was flat, was round, is made up of four elements, is made up of many....

Pseudo-science proved the world was flat and supported alchemy. Science refuted this.


science is just the latest in thing,

Unbiased observations of material reality are unchanged. The same laws of science that govern the universe now governed it since its beginning.


but I get the point at least the methods have some correlation to logic. Not that logic is infallible.

It's pretty damn close.



Religion itself should not be taught in schools, neither should political, economic or philisophical theory. In fact after mathmatics and language all should be completely optional except perhaps exercise.

Why not philosophy? Or economy? What is wrong with the teaching of the development of these systems?

[poster_child]

I definately agree with everyone. Religion has no place in school- or anywhere in that matter. It is not up to the state to impose ridiculous beliefs on children. The only thing that might have any educational value is learning about the crusades, about the influence of the church and other religious institutions in history. That's all.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 05:37 PM

Right, im not for religon in school like bush is. But i think that we should learn about different religons, like we do in religous educaiton. We even learned about athiesm. It dispells all this reactionary bull shit about good and bad religons.

There is no such thing as a good, or tolerable, religion. They are all equally foolish.
Look, dont you think you should find out what people believe in? That's nott o say teach what they believe in.

[drain.you]

I dont think religion should be enforced by any educational institution, just like government should be free from religious bias. Not everyone has the same religion obviously and for the state or education system to enforce a particular belief system is wrong in my opinion.
Though it could be queried what right science has to be taught in schools, when it often contradicts religious texts and claims to be able to explain the world better than say the Bible.
I'm not religious myself but its a personal choice that every human makes. I would certainly never say that religion should be 'destroyed' or simply gotten rid of, thats as bad as dictatorship over people's beliefs. Everyone should be free to believe what they want, surely?
I mean, I'm communist in a capitalist society and I'm allowed to be this. I'm Atheist in a predominately Christian society and I'm allowed to be this. I wouldn't have it any other way. Everyone has their own beliefs and should be allowed them but I dont believe that religion should be taught in school as the 'truth', if it should be taught at all then all religious beliefs should be presented to the student so that he/she can decide what to believe.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Pseudo-science proved the world was flat and supported alchemy. Science refuted this.

In time this will become pseudo science. Inductive reason is essential, but it is not definite, and science relies upon this.


Unbiased observations of material reality are unchanged. The same laws of science that govern the universe now governed it since its beginning.

That has always been the claim. They thought they cracked it with Newton, some bastard always finds something new; relativity, quantum? Are they to be linked? If you can do it you are far better a man than I.

Unbiased? You cannot take evrything into account, what you chose as controls must therefore include some bias. You can get close, and draw conclusions that, although not definite, allow advancement, but we can not claim universal laws.


It's pretty damn close.
I didn't say otherwise ;)

I would love to continue this, perhaps this would be better split to science or philosophy though? Or you could start a thread if you fancy it? PM me if you do.


Why not philosophy? Or economy? What is wrong with the teaching of the development of these systems?

First of all ontology is fairly reliant on teaching of religion to some extent. Politics to a lesser extent, so it is hard to have one without the other.

Also whilst religion shouldn't be enforced, it is enforcement of political and economic philosophy that is our main adverary today, not religion. Secularisation is occuring, at least in the dangerous, institutional sense.

I actually agree that these subjects should be studied, but not taught, especially in a school environment. It is simply dangerous, it is because of this that education is offered to some extent to working classes. These subjects cannot be fairly tackled whilst there is a syllabus from which people work. Teaching language, for ease of communication, and mathmatics make sense. After basic training in philosophy undertaking sciences is easier, and other subjects. An enquiring nature should be encouraged.

[anarchy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 09:59 PM
religion doesnt have a place anywhere, i agree with ownthink


"No. Abolish the entire fucking thing. Destroy it. Smash it. "
Ok, thanks for posting.

[rioters bloc]

no, i disagree with the concept entirely. and i'm not atheist/agnostic.

here's a coupla points i'd like to bring up though

in primary school we weren't taught about different religions or whatnot, except for Aboriginal dreamtime. i always felt that by doing this they took a kind of orientalist perspective on it, like 'oh this type of religion is SO far out and extreme that no-one will believe in it anyway so let's teach it!' it was partly because we were learning about Aboriginal culture, but even then i think it was kinda disrespectful. because they were acting as though it was only an aspect of their culture, rather than a spiritual belief. does that make sense?

also, in high school years 7 and 8 we had 40 minutes of 'religious education' a week on a wednesday morning. they had a coupla branches of christianity, buddhism, hinduism [i think], and judaism. everyone else who's religion either wasn't in that 5, or wasn't religious, had to sit on the ground in the hall for 40 minutes not being allowed to talk, and only being allowed to do schoolwork. every few weeks we'd have to fold school newsletters and put them in envelopes and put stickers with students addresses on them to be mailed off to their parents. anyways it was shit boring and i know a few people who started to go to scripture just to get out of it. my school was otherwise very secular - im pretty sure that 'scripture' was part of the syllabus. but it seemed to me that by making 'non-scripture' so fucking boring and tedious, they were trying to force people to go to scripture.

[anarchy]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 11 2005, 09:26 AM
It's not a choice. You're forced into at child birth. No one is born with this bullshit in their head.

I submit that if you educated a child in the sciences from birth, showed them critical thinking -- if they knew how to deduct and reason, the thought of a "god" would probably never pop into their heads.
what is not a choice? believing in religion, i do not understand what you mean here.

[anarchy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 05:22 AM
Religion has no place in a modern society. It should be removed from public life, including schools.
Do you believe that people have the right to worship in the privacy of their own homes, or not at all?

[anarchy]

Originally posted by Che [email protected] 10 2005, 10:37 PM

I was just wondering, do you think religion has a place in school?
easy question NO

Religion used to be taught in many schools, what do you think it would take to make things this way again? do you think this would EVER happen again?
I heard 90% of school curriculum was religion at the beginning of the 20th century. Now somewhere around 5% is religious, all of it taught in private schools. For religion in school to make a comeback, conservative christians would only be able to do it at the state level (if you live in the states. If you don't it probably won't make a comeback.). It's prohibited in the constitution, but that's been ripped up after the passage of the patriot act. It means nothing now.
Yeah, it is prohibited. Thanks for the input.

[anarchy]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 11 2005, 12:58 PM
Right, im not for religon in school like bush is. But i think that we should learn about different religons, like we do in religous educaiton. We even learned about athiesm. It dispells all this reactionary bull shit about good and bad religons.
Ok, that's cool that they are trying to "broaden your horizions". People need to teach acceptance, not everyone is going to be like you (however the person is) and sometimes schools do not teach this very well. Some say the parents should teach it, i don't know. :o

[anarchy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 01:37 PM

Right, im not for religon in school like bush is. But i think that we should learn about different religons, like we do in religous educaiton. We even learned about athiesm. It dispells all this reactionary bull shit about good and bad religons.

There is no such thing as a good, or tolerable, religion. They are all equally foolish.
lol

[anarchy]

Originally posted by Hegemonicretribution+Oct 11 2005, 02:07 PM--> (Hegemonicretribution @ Oct 11 2005, 02:07 PM)
[email protected] 11 2005, 12:28 AM
If you can scientifically prove it, sure!
What is scientific "proof"? Science proved the world was flat, was round, is made up of four elements, is made up of many....science is just the latest in thing, but I get the point at least the methods have some correlation to logic. Not that logic is infallible.

Religion itself should not be taught in schools, neither should political, economic or philisophical theory. In fact after mathmatics and language all should be completely optional except perhaps exercise.

People should have the right to study religion, it is an interesting subject, but they should also have the right not to be preached to. [/b]
ok,thanks for the input

[anarchy]

Originally posted by Red Marxist [email protected] 11 2005, 04:06 PM
no religion should not be allowed in schools its a system of brainwashing and manipulation of the masses. Its a way to control you through fear ie-hell these concepts are drilled into our heads at an early age so we can conform to the churches vision of what we should be.Religion is the Invention of man used throughout history to justify despicable acts and to bring the people to its knees
Yes, you have some valid points. Religion is a choice, and rightfully so, no one can tell you what to believe in right?

[anarchy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 04:15 PM


What is scientific "proof"? Science proved the world was flat, was round, is made up of four elements, is made up of many....

Pseudo-science proved the world was flat and supported alchemy. Science refuted this.


science is just the latest in thing,

Unbiased observations of material reality are unchanged. The same laws of science that govern the universe now governed it since its beginning.


but I get the point at least the methods have some correlation to logic. Not that logic is infallible.

It's pretty damn close.



Religion itself should not be taught in schools, neither should political, economic or philisophical theory. In fact after mathmatics and language all should be completely optional except perhaps exercise.

Why not philosophy? Or economy? What is wrong with the teaching of the development of these systems?
who knows. :rolleyes: school is kinda jaded these days.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by anarchy+Oct 14 2005, 08:40 PM--> (anarchy @ Oct 14 2005, 08:40 PM)
[email protected] 11 2005, 05:22 AM
Religion has no place in a modern society. It should be removed from public life, including schools.
Do you believe that people have the right to worship in the privacy of their own homes, or not at all? [/b]
Yeah, they can do whatever they want in the privacy of their own home. Just no kids.

Also, all churches, synagogues and similar places of worship should be torn down. This includes everything from the grandest cathedral to the smallest chapel.

[anarchy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 06:21 PM

Pseudo-science proved the world was flat and supported alchemy. Science refuted this.

In time this will become pseudo science. Inductive reason is essential, but it is not definite, and science relies upon this.


Unbiased observations of material reality are unchanged. The same laws of science that govern the universe now governed it since its beginning.

That has always been the claim. They thought they cracked it with Newton, some bastard always finds something new; relativity, quantum? Are they to be linked? If you can do it you are far better a man than I.

Unbiased? You cannot take evrything into account, what you chose as controls must therefore include some bias. You can get close, and draw conclusions that, although not definite, allow advancement, but we can not claim universal laws.


It's pretty damn close.
I didn't say otherwise ;)

I would love to continue this, perhaps this would be better split to science or philosophy though? Or you could start a thread if you fancy it? PM me if you do.


Why not philosophy? Or economy? What is wrong with the teaching of the development of these systems?

First of all ontology is fairly reliant on teaching of religion to some extent. Politics to a lesser extent, so it is hard to have one without the other.

Also whilst religion shouldn't be enforced, it is enforcement of political and economic philosophy that is our main adverary today, not religion. Secularisation is occuring, at least in the dangerous, institutional sense.

I actually agree that these subjects should be studied, but not taught, especially in a school environment. It is simply dangerous, it is because of this that education is offered to some extent to working classes. These subjects cannot be fairly tackled whilst there is a syllabus from which people work. Teaching language, for ease of communication, and mathmatics make sense. After basic training in philosophy undertaking sciences is easier, and other subjects. An enquiring nature should be encouraged.
ok,that's for the input

[anarchy]

Originally posted by rioters [email protected] 11 2005, 06:52 PM
no, i disagree with the concept entirely. and i'm not atheist/agnostic.

here's a coupla points i'd like to bring up though

in primary school we weren't taught about different religions or whatnot, except for Aboriginal dreamtime. i always felt that by doing this they took a kind of orientalist perspective on it, like 'oh this type of religion is SO far out and extreme that no-one will believe in it anyway so let's teach it!' it was partly because we were learning about Aboriginal culture, but even then i think it was kinda disrespectful. because they were acting as though it was only an aspect of their culture, rather than a spiritual belief. does that make sense?

also, in high school years 7 and 8 we had 40 minutes of 'religious education' a week on a wednesday morning. they had a coupla branches of christianity, buddhism, hinduism [i think], and judaism. everyone else who's religion either wasn't in that 5, or wasn't religious, had to sit on the ground in the hall for 40 minutes not being allowed to talk, and only being allowed to do schoolwork. every few weeks we'd have to fold school newsletters and put them in envelopes and put stickers with students addresses on them to be mailed off to their parents. anyways it was shit boring and i know a few people who started to go to scripture just to get out of it. my school was otherwise very secular - im pretty sure that 'scripture' was part of the syllabus. but it seemed to me that by making 'non-scripture' so fucking boring and tedious, they were trying to force people to go to scripture.
yeah, it does seem like they were trying to do that, that reminds me of soem famous court case I learned about in Civics and Economics(Honors) that I should remember, but don't, b/c i wasn't paying attention :rolleyes: thanks for the input

[anarchy]

Originally posted by NoXion+Oct 14 2005, 04:53 PM--> (NoXion @ Oct 14 2005, 04:53 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 08:40 PM

[email protected] 11 2005, 05:22 AM
Religion has no place in a modern society. It should be removed from public life, including schools.
Do you believe that people have the right to worship in the privacy of their own homes, or not at all?
Yeah, they can do whatever they want in the privacy of their own home. Just no kids.

Also, all churches, synagogues and similar places of worship should be torn down. This includes everything from the grandest cathedral to the smallest chapel. [/b]
yeah,that's kinda what I belive, the Church(present day churches in general anyway) have changed in my opinion, and are not at all what they used to be. I don't go to my church anymore. Lol, a little extreme with the last part, but I catch your drift, thank for posting! :P

[Plato]

In public school systems religion has no true place. In several countries, such as the United States, people have fought hard to separate the distinctions of faith and the handlings of the government. In lower education (through highschool) especially religion should be banned, for it is in these classrooms that children develope world views that they will keep for their entire lives. Therefore, they should not be put in situations where they are under pressure to believe something that they otherwise would not of. This being said, complete abolishment of religion in education would probably not be the best idea. In understanding the different religions of the world, one can understand how modern societies and cultures have been formed--useful information in a quickly globalizing world. What I think would be the best application of religion in education would then be a upper level college class on comparitive religion, which takes an unbias analyitical approach to understanding different faiths around the world.

[Xvall]

I was just wondering, do you think religion has a place in school?

No. Maybe in history books when reviewing historic events that have been associated with religion.

[Black Dagger]

anarchy, stop spamming the thread, keep your responses in as few posts as possible please.

[anarchy]

ok black dagger, so pretty much the majority believes it shouldn't be taught in school. Just wondering thanks 4 posting, bye.

[Hate Is Art]

This thread seems to be full of crazy crazy authortarians and destroyers of fine arcitecture.

Also, all churches, synagogues and similar places of worship should be torn down. This includes everything from the grandest cathedral to the smallest chapel.

Oh C'mon, this things represent great achievements in aesthetics and enginering. Not least a huge part of the world's history. Tearing them down what do what?

You can't outlaw a religion it wouldn't work, religious people all believe they are right, so you can't stop them at all.

I don't why people think there should be religions taught in schools. The basis of all religions should be taught in all schools if only to increase tolerance and to avoid kids pointing at the 'tea-towel' heads or 'men with the funny curly side burns'

People are scared off the unkown, if teach children the way different religions work and in what they believe I'm sure we could cut out a lot of religious hate.

What exactly is wrong with people believing in something anyway?

xx

[anarchy]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 15 2005, 02:35 PM
This thread seems to be full of crazy crazy authortarians and destroyers of fine arcitecture.

Also, all churches, synagogues and similar places of worship should be torn down. This includes everything from the grandest cathedral to the smallest chapel.

Oh C'mon, this things represent great achievements in aesthetics and enginering. Not least a huge part of the world's history. Tearing them down what do what?

You can't outlaw a religion it wouldn't work, religious people all believe they are right, so you can't stop them at all.

I don't why people think there should be religions taught in schools. The basis of all religions should be taught in all schools if only to increase tolerance and to avoid kids pointing at the 'tea-towel' heads or 'men with the funny curly side burns'

People are scared off the unkown, if teach children the way different religions work and in what they believe I'm sure we could cut out a lot of religious hate.

What exactly is wrong with people believing in something anyway?

xx
lol, hey everyone is entitled to their own opinions, so I'm trying not to take a side. thanks 4 posting, and to the person who did put that, Also, all churches, synagogues and similar places of worship should be torn down. This includes everything from the grandest cathedral to the smallest chapel.
it's good that you are strong in your convictions. :P

[CrazyModerate]

Muslims are allowed to do some of their five prayer's at my public school. I don't know how many they have to do during the school day, but I know it's atleast one.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

ah sure religion class is right craic

[deak]

It's not a choice. You're forced into at child birth. No one is born with this bullshit in their head.

Well, I'd disagree with that. There is some type of religious (maybe spiritual is a better word) tendancies hardwired in the human psyche. If you analyze religion and spirituality across history and the globe you realize that they are all so similar in archetypal imagery that it is imposible to believe anything but that there is some innate need built into people to explain and fit into their unkown and confusing world through parrallel sets of mythology. I think that it is thinking scientifically that is learned by example and exploration, although the intellectual capability of logic and reason is just as innate. Of course this does not prove necessarily that religion is truth, only that it is merely part of our natural identites and understanding of the world. Some continue with these simple (or complex) mythological ways of thinking and forming identity and others evolve into describing their world and their own selves in an empirical fasion.

That said, yes, PARTICULAR religions are most definitely forced on their children from birth, as I doubt that any specific metaphore is imborn, only the archetype.

BUT, to conclude.... RELIGION has no place at all in schools. As far as in existance at all, I feel that people should be allowed to believe any fool thing they want as long as they keep it out of my life and don't force society to live by their arbitrary laws.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

This thread seems to be full of crazy crazy authortarians and destroyers of fine arcitecture.

It's not "fine architecture" if they're disgusting monuments to oppression.


Oh C'mon, this things represent great achievements in aesthetics and enginering. Not least a huge part of the world's history. Tearing them down what do what?

Tearing them down would remove religion's public presence.


You can't outlaw a religion it wouldn't work, religious people all believe they are right, so you can't stop them at all.

Been to the sacrifice at your local temple of Zeus? Removal of religion from public life is the most effective way of destroying religion bar none.


I don't why people think there should be religions taught in schools. The basis of all religions should be taught in all schools if only to increase tolerance and to avoid kids pointing at the 'tea-towel' heads or 'men with the funny curly side burns'

Red Herring. Racism is not the same as not teaching religion in schools.


People are scared off the unkown, if teach children the way different religions work and in what they believe I'm sure we could cut out a lot of religious hate.

I think getting rid of religion altogether would be a much simpler option.


What exactly is wrong with people believing in something anyway?

Because sooner or later they will want their beliefs enacted into law.

[Bannockburn]

Of course religion should be taught in school. It would be called under the classic department, "mythologies" like Greek, Christian, etc.

That is the only place for religion. Stories. Outside of that context there is no place, time, or reason for religion.

[anarchy]

may ? is, if religion is put into school, which it doesn't seem like it will be mainstream at least for a while, how do you determine and unbiased judge to administer "scriputers"

[flyby]

as you all know, i am working day and night on this World Can't Wait- Drive Out the Bush Regime (http://worldcantwait.org) movement -- for November 2.

So, I'm not gonna write extensively here. But I did wanna do a "flyby" and share some essays that I thought got deep into how communists should view the right to religion, and deal with the religious.

Religion and the Right to Religion: DARK AGES MENTALITY AND THE LIBERATING OUTLOOK AND METHOD OF COMMUNISM (http://rwor.org/a/011/avakian-dark-ages-communism.htm) by Bob Avakian

(This is from the larger work about our times: The Coming Civil War and the Polarization for Revolution (http://rwor.org/chair_e.htm#newseries))

I also recommend the talks on religion on Bob Avakian Speaks (http://bobavakian.net) which dig into “God Doesn’t Exist—And We Need Liberation Without Gods” and a second talk, “Christianity and Society— the Old Testament and the New Testament, Resistance and Revolution.” I've seen people take CDs of these MP3s into school cafeterias, or into hangouts in the hood, and start playing them loud -- drawing people into some intense and mind-expanding revoltuionary discussions.

Good Luck! Let's drive these Christian fundamentalist/fascist fucks off the stage, and create new openings for atheism, science, and revolutionary communism!

[JKP]

Outside of literature, religion has no place in a modern society. Religion is like a drug which blinds people to reality and offers a false promise of hope.

[JKP]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 03:17 PM

Good Luck! Let's drive these Christian fundamentalist/fascist fucks off the stage, and create new openings for atheism, science, and revolutionary communism!
The RCP is promoting a policy of "unity with progressive christian forces". You are willing to compromise on this issue, when there must be no compromise. Religion must be challenged everywhere it exists. There can be unity with "nice christianity"; it must all be eliminated.

[danny android]

Children should be educated on all religions so that they can have a better understanding of how their fellow man thinks. If we are educated in how someone else thinks we can better understand them and therefore better relate to them. In my school we take a global studies class, in part of that class we learn about all different kinds of religions around the world. I found it really interesting especially the parts about budhism.

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by JKP+Oct 17 2005, 06:24 PM--> (JKP @ Oct 17 2005, 06:24 PM)
[email protected] 17 2005, 03:17 PM

Good Luck! Let's drive these Christian fundamentalist/fascist fucks off the stage, and create new openings for atheism, science, and revolutionary communism!
The RCP is promoting a policy of "unity with progressive christian forces". You are willing to compromise on this issue, when there must be no compromise. Religion must be challenged everywhere it exists. There can be unity with "nice christianity"; it must all be eliminated. [/b]
Where did you hear/see this, specifically? All I have heard of the RCP is extremely anti-religious.

[Xvall]

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 15 2005, 09:14 AM
anarchy, stop spamming the thread, keep your responses in as few posts as possible please.
Shut up, I'll punch you in the face.

[anarchy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 06:17 PM
as you all know, i am working day and night on this World Can't Wait- Drive Out the Bush Regime (http://worldcantwait.org) movement -- for November 2.

So, I'm not gonna write extensively here. But I did wanna do a "flyby" and share some essays that I thought got deep into how communists should view the right to religion, and deal with the religious.

Religion and the Right to Religion: DARK AGES MENTALITY AND THE LIBERATING OUTLOOK AND METHOD OF COMMUNISM (http://rwor.org/a/011/avakian-dark-ages-communism.htm) by Bob Avakian

(This is from the larger work about our times: The Coming Civil War and the Polarization for Revolution (http://rwor.org/chair_e.htm#newseries))

I also recommend the talks on religion on Bob Avakian Speaks (http://bobavakian.net) which dig into “God Doesn’t Exist—And We Need Liberation Without Gods” and a second talk, “Christianity and Society— the Old Testament and the New Testament, Resistance and Revolution.” I've seen people take CDs of these MP3s into school cafeterias, or into hangouts in the hood, and start playing them loud -- drawing people into some intense and mind-expanding revoltuionary discussions.

Good Luck! Let's drive these Christian fundamentalist/fascist fucks off the stage, and create new openings for atheism, science, and revolutionary communism!
my friend told me about that, it will be in the center of the cities right? I want to go, with my friend who told me about it. :P

[anarchy]

Originally posted by Xvall+Oct 17 2005, 09:09 PM--> (Xvall @ Oct 17 2005, 09:09 PM)
Black [email protected] 15 2005, 09:14 AM
anarchy, stop spamming the thread, keep your responses in as few posts as possible please.
Shut up, I'll punch you in the face. [/b]
thanks buddy! but it's cool I guess. :P

[which doctor]

Originally posted by anarchy+Oct 18 2005, 12:11 PM--> (anarchy @ Oct 18 2005, 12:11 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 09:09 PM

Black [email protected] 15 2005, 09:14 AM
anarchy, stop spamming the thread, keep your responses in as few posts as possible please.
Shut up, I'll punch you in the face.
thanks buddy! but it's cool I guess. :P [/b]
He was spamming a bunch of back to back posts when he could've just edited the last one.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 12:16 AM
I was just wondering, do you think religion has a place in school? If so, what kind of religion would be best suiting. Just a random question I felt the need to ask, i've been wondering about this for a while. If you have a formally taught religion at your school, what kind is it?
hmm...i think the parents should be able to decide what kind of upbringing their children get, so also they should be able to decide if they're children go to a school where religion is taught or not.

However, in those religious schools, religion should be something for special classes, outside of the regular curriculum. So those children there would get normal school, plus some religion classes, no mixing (so no fucking genesis when talking about evolution, unless its for a discussion)

i went to a catholic grammar school myself, didnt do me any wrong. Actually think it did me good, i understand catholicism now way more than i would've done would i have gone to a normal grammar school.
Not to say i liked religion classes, i fuckin hated them most of the time, even at that age.

[anarchy]

Originally posted by Fist of Blood+Oct 18 2005, 04:54 PM--> (Fist of Blood @ Oct 18 2005, 04:54 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 09:09 PM

Black [email protected] 15 2005, 09:14 AM
anarchy, stop spamming the thread, keep your responses in as few posts as possible please.
Shut up, I'll punch you in the face.
thanks buddy! but it's cool I guess. :P
He was spamming a bunch of back to back posts when he could've just edited the last one. [/b]
Ok first of all, as you already know, I'm new, so I don't really know how to do that ok? sorry :rolleyes: He was just sticking ^ for me, is that so wrong? is was an honest mistake.

[Doc...]

i think that religious education does exist in our education system threw the hidden curriculem. from a young age children are told that believing in god is a vital necessity, coz if you dont you will burn in the fires of hell in the afterlife(or alternatively become a social reject).
e.g. despite all the evidence provided for darwins theory, it is not considered a fact. when being taught about this in school the teachers kept emphasising that it was not proven yet. to be fair neither has the structure of atoms but we take that to a fact.
and atheism is not taught in religious education. according to my teacher they were a bunch of savage bible bashers.

[ComradeOm]

Meh. The easiest way to turn kids of something is to start teaching it in school. So I'm all for teaching it in school :P

[nightwatchman]

Relgion in school is BS. When ever something goes wrong in my school and the teachers and principle turn to the bible for "guidence". Why dont they just use fucking common sense.

[themaskedavenger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 06:41 PM
Religion used to be taught in many schools, what do you think it would take to make things this way again? do you think this would EVER happen again?
No it shouldnt happen, I believe in God, but in a public school it should not be taught.

[John Dory]

Religion should not be enforced in school. Howevere, it should be studied, primarily because of the role that it played, and still plays, with imperialism. You cannot deny its historical significance.

[guerrillero]

School is about education period! Schools should cut the religious crap and focus on educating our next generation! Respect the religious beliefs of all and not descriminate but School is not a place to pray or practice religion.. Its about getting an edumacation

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 06:26 AM
School is about education period! Schools should cut the religious crap and focus on educating our next generation! Respect the religious beliefs of all and not descriminate but School is not a place to pray or practice religion.. Its about getting an edumacation
Actually, the reality of it is that school is mere conditioning for entry into the corporate "real" world, where you take orders and seek advice from so called "proefessionals", because they are "qualified", with a BS in everything.

Oh, and they just happen to be the son of the guy that owns the company.

[Bugalu Shrimp]

Religious studies are ESSENTIAL! To the continued wealthfare of the wretched and poor peoples of this here Earth.. We MUST keep the baying masses in-line for fucks sake.

Did Jesus not say so?

:castro: :castro: