Conspiracy Theory

[Sickle of Justice]

This is a pretty weird theory, but i wanted to throw it out there anyway.

Going through history i noticed that whenever a successful communist revolution occurs and the new leader doesn't become corrupt and faschist (or at least highly authoritarian) the CIA assasinates them and puts in someone who is. there are tons of cases in which this scenario is true, but could there be one we don't know of?

When Lennin died Totsky and Stalin competed for leadership. i think the CIA saw Stalins history of doing dirty work, killed trotsky, and put Stalin in power, probably making some sort of deal with him. the whole country was behind the iron curtain, media was state run, no one got out, so there would be no way for any american to find out who's fault stalin's purges really were...



Stalinists will hate me 4 this.

[Urban Guerrilla]

Originally posted by Sickle of [email protected] 10 2005, 10:23 PM
...CIA saw Stalins history of doing dirty work, killed trotsky...
Trotsky wasn't killed by the CIA. He was exiled by Stalin. Plus they would have assassinated Castro, but I think they just threatened to rig the Cuban election. Plus, they'd leave to big of a mess not to get noticed in North Korea and China to pull such a stunt :che:

[which doctor]

It is true that the US government has attacked or supported attacks on many leftist leaders. Most notably in chile and cuba.

[Gura]

The CIA was not created until 1947 and Trotsky was killed in 1940. It would have to have been the OSS, but American Intelligence did not really get involved in that type of thing as much until the end (and after) WWII.

[Young Juche League]

Plus the fact that Stalin was a commited anti-capitalist who turned the USSR into the powerful superpower that America feared so much, while Trotsky was a minor intelectual, whose ideas posed no threat to anyone. The US wasn't even the main enemy of international communism and socialism in 1940, although they viciously persecuted their own communists.

[ComradeOm]

The US just ignored communism before the Cold War, probably in the hope that it'd just go away.

[Scars]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 11:12 AM
The US just ignored communism before the Cold War, probably in the hope that it'd just go away.
So them sending troops to fight the Communists during the Russian Civil War and suppressing the CPUSA counts as ignoring communism?

And yes, that sounds fucking ridiculous.

[ComradeOm]

Yes. The US ignored most of the outside world until the second world war finally drew it out of its isolationist shell. I've never had figures for the US's contribution to the Whites but I assume that, like everyone but the UK, they were minute and insignificant. As for the CPUSA, who really cares? The labour movement in the US hardly presented much of a challenge to the Pinkertons. That said, I do have a certain admiration for Frank Little.

Compare to later US invasions/plots to combat communism.

[Colombia]

THe US nor any other European force ever sent their armys to combat the reds in the civil but as previously mentioned, did give some monetary aid to the whites.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by Urban Guerilla+Oct 11 2005, 12:13 AM--> (Urban Guerilla @ Oct 11 2005, 12:13 AM)
Sickle of [email protected] 10 2005, 10:23 PM
...CIA saw Stalins history of doing dirty work, killed trotsky...
Trotsky wasn't killed by the CIA. He was exiled by Stalin. Plus they would have assassinated Castro, but I think they just threatened to rig the Cuban election. Plus, they'd leave to big of a mess not to get noticed in North Korea and China to pull such a stunt :che: [/b]
Do you know how many assassination attempts have been on Castro? :lol:

[Urban Guerrilla]

Originally posted by Matthijs+Oct 12 2005, 03:35 PM--> (Matthijs @ Oct 12 2005, 03:35 PM)
Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 11 2005, 12:13 AM

Sickle of [email protected] 10 2005, 10:23 PM
...CIA saw Stalins history of doing dirty work, killed trotsky...
Trotsky wasn't killed by the CIA. He was exiled by Stalin. Plus they would have assassinated Castro, but I think they just threatened to rig the Cuban election. Plus, they'd leave to big of a mess not to get noticed in North Korea and China to pull such a stunt :che:
Do you know how many assassination attempts have been on Castro? :lol: [/b]
Yeah, I have the pictures to prove it :che:

(what the hell was I thinking? I forgot my history there for awhile.)

[Scars]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 01:10 PM
Yes. The US ignored most of the outside world until the second world war finally drew it out of its isolationist shell. I've never had figures for the US's contribution to the Whites but I assume that, like everyone but the UK, they were minute and insignificant. As for the CPUSA, who really cares? The labour movement in the US hardly presented much of a challenge to the Pinkertons. That said, I do have a certain admiration for Frank Little.

Compare to later US invasions/plots to combat communism.
The communist party was at its height of power in the USA in the 1930s during the depression and the US government did a lot to clamp down on CPUSA and other radical left wing organisations (for intsance the IWW). In addition to this they invaded Russia in alliance with France and Britain. They also sent money, arms and other assistance to the whites. They were not as internationally active, but they most certainly did not 'ignore communism'. In my opinion Wilsons 10 point plan marks the start of modern American imperialism.

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 01:10 PM
The US ignored most of the outside world until the second world war finally drew it out of its isolationist shell.
That's a myth. The US invaded almost every country in the Western Hemisphere in the century before WW2. The US Navy has a list at http://www.history.navy.mil/wars/foabroad.htm Even they say the US use force a lot before WW2.

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by Morpheus+Oct 13 2005, 12:35 AM--> (Morpheus @ Oct 13 2005, 12:35 AM)
[email protected] 12 2005, 01:10 PM
The US ignored most of the outside world until the second world war finally drew it out of its isolationist shell.
That's a myth. The US invaded almost every country in the Western Hemisphere in the century before WW2. The US Navy has a list at http://www.history.navy.mil/wars/foabroad.htm Even they say the US use force a lot before WW2. [/b]
I stand corrected then. Its amazing how quickly many of these small pre-Cold War incursions can be forgotten. This is the first time I've come across any records of them.