what is the best type of music to express leftism

[Sickle of Justice]

chose one.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

emotional folk
so null vote

[celtopunk]

Yeah you missed folk which was probably the original musical vehicle for modern leftism. But truth be told there can be no one form of music that does it best.

[Hate Is Art]

Anything? Does it really matter, and most leftist music sucks anyways.

[Sickle of Justice]

true about the folk thing, but about there being no good leftist music, i think you're completely wrong. there is some great leftis music out there.check out the great lyrics thing. so many great bands have leftist messages in their lyrics.

[Hate Is Art]

Yeah but they aren't really lefties are they, they might be left of centre but they aren't communists by any strech of the imagination.

[Orthodox Marxist]

Metal/rock sometimes punk

anyone heard Deify by disturbed yet?

[Reds]

Classical/opra.

[Redmau5]

I voted rap/urban, although I like quite alot of different genres. Rap makes up most of my collection, but I also have the likes of Rage Against The Machine, Damian Marley, Snow Patrol, James Blunt and quite alot of dance music.

So I have a pretty varied taste. One of the only things I don't like is the thing which most people have voted for so far, punk.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I added folk, hope you don't mind...

[Xvall]

Pop. I would really like Ayumi Hamasaki to do a cover of "Fuck tha Police".

[Don't Change Your Name]

Pathetic thread

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 11 2005, 06:44 PM
Yeah but they aren't really lefties are they, they might be left of centre but they aren't communists by any strech of the imagination.
So what music do you approve of oh great one?

[FleasTheLemur]

Blue Grass.

Then the coal company came, with the world's largest shovel,
And they tortured the timber and stripped all the land.
Well, they dug for their coal till the land was forsaken.
Then they wrote it all down as the progress of man.

And Daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg county,
Down by the Green River, where Paradise lay.
"Well I'm sorry, my son, but you're too late in askin'."
"Mr. Peabody's coal train has hauled it away."

[Hegemonicretribution]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 11 2005, 06:44 PM
Yeah but they aren't really lefties are they, they might be left of centre but they aren't communists by any strech of the imagination.
That is saying that communists cannot be musical. I strongly disagree. Am I relagated to merely left of the centre when I write music?

[Black Dagger]

I really don't think that the genre matters, as you can have great leftist songs in practically any genre, but i voted for hip-hop (listed as rap/urban)- because of it's fire and energy, closely followed by reggae.

[The Forum Idiot]

Potentially the most powerful would be pop, as it is heard more by the masses. Punk tends to have a more political message than most genres though, but I voted folk as its where it all started - working men's music about the life they live.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 03:45 AM
Blue Grass.

Then the coal company came, with the world's largest shovel,
And they tortured the timber and stripped all the land.
Well, they dug for their coal till the land was forsaken.
Then they wrote it all down as the progress of man.

And Daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg county,
Down by the Green River, where Paradise lay.
"Well I'm sorry, my son, but you're too late in askin'."
"Mr. Peabody's coal train has hauled it away."
I love blue grass. hazel dickens is awesome

[rioters bloc]

Originally posted by Sickle of [email protected] 11 2005, 02:57 AM
chose one.
no.


sorry, this whole thing is a tad ludicrous.

[Wanted Man]

Pop. I would really like Ayumi Hamasaki to do a cover of "Fuck tha Police".
Whoa.

Anyway, just about all of those work.

[Palmares]

This is kinda a silly thread.

But I would say that the most left music is punk as a broad genre.

In more specific terms, I would say peace-punk, crustpunk/crustcore, and underground hip-hop are the most revolutionary.

[rioters bloc]

speaking of underground hip hop, there was a creative dissent gig on last night to fundraise for 30A arrested protestors *looks at cthenthar* and there was this one mc who did all this subversive leftie rap, twas really really good. i was considering getting up for the open mic but then another mc who was also incredibly good [especially considering he was like 18] got really really violent and kinda trashed the place :S [he was suffering from a mental illness]

anywhos, now im gonna be hooking up with the first mc [lokowan] and getting down some dope leftie rap :D soooooo inspired ive been writing all morning :D

[novemba]

getting down some dope leftie rap soooooo inspired ive been writing all morning

will you marry me?

[rioters bloc]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 02:13 PM

getting down some dope leftie rap soooooo inspired ive been writing all morning

will you marry me?
...i thought we were already married??

[novemba]

...THATS WHERE THAT RING CAME FROM?!...

shhhhhhhhh what happens in vegas stays in vegas....

[Mujer Libre]

Originally posted by rioters bloc+Oct 12 2005, 04:01 PM--> (rioters bloc @ Oct 12 2005, 04:01 PM)
Sickle of [email protected] 11 2005, 02:57 AM
chose one.
no.


sorry, this whole thing is a tad ludicrous. [/b]
Hehe yeah. You know it will just come down to people choosing their favourite genre- and even then narrowing it down to one is ridiculous!

[Bazza]

I thought the Redskins (http://www.redskins.co.uk) did it best and their music was a mixture of soul, punk & rockabilly.

[(A)PBDS]

Reggae all the way mate.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by rioters [email protected] 13 2005, 03:25 AM
anywhos, now im gonna be hooking up with the first mc [lokowan] and getting down some dope leftie rap :D soooooo inspired ive been writing all morning :D
Awesome, post it sometime.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 10 2005, 09:47 PM
Anything? Does it really matter, and most leftist music sucks anyways.
you are aware that conor oberst has progressive tendancies.
ever listen to when the president talks to god???
how about light polution??
how about old soul song (for the new world order)?

[The Grey Blur]

I said Punk (Clash, Pistols, Flag)...then realised the best leftist musician nowadys is...Immortal Tech - Rap/Hip-Hop

[Palmares]

You think he is the best these days? Unless you are into conspiracies, I don't see how you can think that.

Don't get me wrong, I like his stuff. But someone like say, Bad Religion, would beat him by a long shot.

[Angry Young Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 08:25 PM
Classical/opra.
how is classical leftist? it was written entirely for money and for feudal patrons. either punk (obviously) or folk.

[novemba]

hip-hop is a predominately proletariat sub-culture.

[RASH chris]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 03:53 PM
hip-hop is a predominately proletariat sub-culture.
As is punk rock, skinhead culture, reggae/ska, etc.

But according to CDL there is no such thing as a proletarian sub-culture, all sub-cultures are inherantly bourgeousie. Trade in your 4X white tee man. I've gotta get rid of my flight jacket and boots. :rolleyes:

Bye the way, this poll is retarded. All musical genres have revolutionary tendencies and reactionary tendencies.

Plus I do believe that I listen to every genre listed so it is impossible for me to vote.

[Chuck]

Where's classic rock?

I can't say that I like punk. Three chords over and over again gets pretty boring after a while.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 11:13 PM
Where's classic rock?

I can't say that I like punk. Three chords over and over again gets pretty boring after a while.
I like classic rock too, but it's hardly a leftist genre of music. With the exception of a few lyrics by Pink Floyd, John Lennon, Bob Dylan, and The Who.

[Frankler]

Who ever said that the genre didn't matter is right on. Hans Werner Henze, an avante-garde composer, premiered his 6th symphony in front of the Cuban army.

[XII Bones IIX]

I picked punk simply because of old Anti-Flag, but I'd pick rap because of Immortal Technique, there is no real genre that goes along with Leftism but I'd certainly have to say old school punk hits the hardest.

[Pirate Utopian]

The kind that uses words. But even that is no requirement.

[RHIZOMES]

Hip-hop.

But all genres have the capability.

[Bright Banana Beard]

I would say punk is the best type since it express against the today order, but as Arizona Bay said, all genres have the capability.

[rocker935]

I voted rock, but i think that any music that is unique and mixes genres. Because progressive thoughts go well with progressive sounds.

[Jazzratt]

Folk.

[MAVA]

rap/urban: Its easy most oppressed people dont own a guitar.

[TheWaffleCzar]

Rage Against the Machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[maverick]

I voted for punk, but to be more technical crust punk/hardcore/old school grindcore

[Jazzratt]

I voted for punk, but to be more technical crust punk/hardcore/old school grindcore

Why? Punk can be a fairly accessible genre but crust, hardcore and (especially) grindcore tend to be fairly inaccessible to most people. Playing deliberately over-abrasive music is not the best way to get a message across.

[maverick]

Why? Punk can be a fairly accessible genre but crust, hardcore and (especially) grindcore tend to be fairly inaccessible to most people. Playing deliberately over-abrasive music is not the best way to get a message across.

Well I was talking aboyt more of the spirit of standing up against the system and more of being heard. I think these styles embody the anger and resentment of those that choose to stand outside of the system we are expected to follow. So I like that loud abrasive sound, and think it could resemble a bit of the struggle. (even though its just fun to listen to as well imo) Punk in general is great too, but your argument isn't that good. Most punk music is about just as non-ascesiable as let's say the genres I was mentioning. Which only leaves pop-punk or a select few of old school punk bands that are continually paraded around and expolited in the capitalist system. So I'd say the two are really even, with punk perhaps being a bit more accessable to the more indie crowd due to the larger overall size. It was perhaps wrong and biased of me to single out those specific genres. I though love regular punk as well, and think it could do the job.

[Malakangga]

metal punk rock

[Edgar]

I chose folk because you'd be able to understand the leftist lyrics more than in the other, more extreme genres.

[Dystisis]

Music that is innovative, extreme, progressive, harsh, critical, etc.

Anything but stale music.

NOTE: This is assuming we are talking about music, not lyrics.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Yodalling


if that fails the most popular ones.

[Jazzratt]

Well I was talking aboyt more of the spirit of standing up against the system and more of being heard.

The spirit of that can be felt in a lot of music - hell even in subverted versions of older songs ("The Preacher and the Slave" anyone?). While I fucking love grindcore and all that shit I find the songs of people like Woody Gutherie to be much more meaningful to me as a leftist.


I think these styles embody the anger and resentment of those that choose to stand outside of the system we are expected to follow.

Anger and resentment, though, are not the only things that we should be trying to get across. While leftism is very discontent with the system we live under we also have other emotions - hope for a much brighter future, solidarity with each other and nostalgia for past glories.


So I like that loud abrasive sound, and think it could resemble a bit of the struggle. (even though its just fun to listen to as well imo) Punk in general is great too, but your argument isn't that good.

Alright, it probably isn't I was making it when drunk and tired. I think.


Most punk music is about just as non-ascesiable as let's say the genres I was mentioning. Which only leaves pop-punk or a select few of old school punk bands that are continually paraded around and expolited in the capitalist system.

That's true, which is why I don't think punk in general is the best way of expressing leftism. In fairness it is a great way of expressing it and is quite fun to listen to but I don't think it's the "best".


So I'd say the two are really even, with punk perhaps being a bit more accessable to the more indie crowd due to the larger overall size. It was perhaps wrong and biased of me to single out those specific genres. I though love regular punk as well, and think it could do the job.

It could well do and I've no problem with it myself. I think, however, that a more accessible genre is better. That's not to say the best way to express leftism is blandly just that there are better ways to express it than all anger all the time.

[bayano]

there is no 'best type'. honestly, i find this concept really messed up (no disrespect to the thread starter). lets be frank, who thinks like this? christian fundamentalists fund christian pop, punk and rap, and neo-nazi movements do the same (considering using Black-created forms of music as a means to an end, which would include the demise of those kinds of music).

for leftists, we can like and use any kind of music we desire. there are leftists in the vast majority of the genres, far beyond the number listed in the poll. in many respects, it could be argued that folk music is the best, but it doesnt make any sense anymore because so many forms of music could at one point or another be called folk based on their grassroots natures: the blues, rap, r&b, gospel, punk, country, cumbia, reggaeton, norteno, bachata, etc etc etc.

besides that, this assumes that people listen to the same kinds of music. that there are leftist themes in almost every genre means there is leftist (or in any way socially conscious) music for everyone. we just need to get it out there. i myself make mix cds of socially conscious music by genre, add a lil bibliography, and give them to strangers and neighborhood aqcuaintances who like that genre.

[An archist]

Pop music clearly

[Comrade B]

The complaints about society in punk music are so repetitive they have become a drone. Many people dislike punk just because it says the same thing (same for gangster rap).

The best music to send an audible message through is rap. The lyrics are clear, and there is much more focus on the words than beat (if it is good).