Is there any hope for America?

[commie kg]

Being in high school (in the USA), I often notice how absolutley STUPID and IGNORANT almost everyone around me is. I think to myself, this is the next generation of the American people?
They have all been brainwashed by the public education system and the lies that it teaches. Soon being a leftist will be somewhat of an oddity, it seems that already almost everyone I ask is a strident republican.
I still hope that one day a revolution will take place. Not neccessarily a violent one, just one where the people would realize that capitalism is not the engine the world should run on. My dreams of revolution are crushed every day when I look at the next generation of workers in America, closer to mindless drones than people.
My question for everyone, American or not, is there any hope for this country?

[Michael De Panama]

America as the supreme nation basically takes on the role of the world's bourgeoisie. The way I see it, America's the last place a revolution would ever happen. There just aren't as many blue collared workers in America as there are in places such as Asia and Latin America, who basically manufacture everything for the Americans to indulge in.

[left for dead]

I know how you feel commie kg, a while ago I was answering some questions about Che to my friend he asked "How did he die?" I answered, "he was captured and executed by the Bolivian Army which was aided by the CIA." Then he went on about how much the "CIA rules!" and how they "hunt you down" and crap, I can't believe how much people are brainwashed by the media and government.

[Eastside Revolt]

Believe me, America is not the only country with brainwashed youth. You can never tell what kind of hope to have, nowadays. Have you ever heard a song called marat sade? It's a song from the French revolution, Judy Collins does a version of it. If you listen to the lyrics, it makes you realizehow similar the issues and feelings of the prolateriat today are to those of the french peastants.

[RGacky3]

The U$'s only hope is that the leftists advertise their cause, if the people only hear one side of the story they WILL NO go for the other side, in the U$s case its the capitalists side they hear. So we have to give try and reason with the U$A.

[truthaddict11]

my economics book is loaded with crap on how "free" capitalism is and it praises NAFTA WTO and GATT and the "free market" system

[Beccie]

Most the people in my school are ignorant as well. That is the way the system is designed.



(Edited by Commie01 at 1:05 am on Jan. 10, 2003)

[KaKa]

so i'm new here how you can see!i just read some of your post and i'm so happy that i found this page with people my opinion!i'm an exchange stundent here in america and you really can see how ignorant most people in school are!i needed to change several classes because i got arguments with teachers or students!

[SonofRage]

There is always hope. Just don't give in and speak out.

[timbaly]

I've had so many arguments with my history teachers. I argue about the CIA attrocities and how the gov't is really run, but nobody even cares. The students don't even understand what I'm saying most of the time. They don't even know how their own gov't works and have no interests in knowing. It really sickens me, I feel hopeless. Why argue when nobody understands? And forget about getting into a debate with the students directly, they don't want to have anything to do with that. They just say that I'm a traitor for not being a patriot and say that they don't argue with crazy people. It seems like such a lost cause.

[Beccie]

Quote: from KaKa on 1:14 am on Jan. 10, 2003
so i'm new here how you can see!i just read some of your post and i'm so happy that i found this page with people my opinion!


Welcome comrade!! I felt exactly the same way when I found this website

[Xanderbeaux]

thats so werid, i use to think that until this yrs history eacher, he tells us that America needs a revolution doesnt tell us when but he says that we need one, and he always tells us that our generation will be the one with the burden, and even though he is pro war, and supports the government he still has this other side, anyways just wanted to point that out because not all teacher brainwash you, some actually give you both sides and make u decide, anyways i have to admit that even though he does talk alot about things like this, most of the class doesnt really pay attention

[truthaddict11]

i think it is our duty to try to educate people as much as possible. but so many people are ignorant and brainwashed by eMpTV. when we get in power i say we ban eMpTV

[redstar2000]

Well, I hate to add to the despair, but...

My honest opinion is that the United States is becoming the 4th Reich...an enemy of freedom at home and abroad. ALL domestic efforts at resistence over the next few decades are probably hopeless.

So what should young revolutionaries do? The obvious answer is emmigrate. Get the hell OUT of this shit hole while that is still possible; go someplace where your efforts can actually do some good.

I know that's a TOUGH message and I hate to have to offer it. But I also hate to see a bunch of good people break their heads (and their hearts) against the stone wall of American capitalist tyranny.

There IS resistance to U.S. imperial hegemony everywhere...and everywhere, they can USE all the help they can get. The difference between America and pretty much everywhere else: hope is alive and well everywhere else; here it is dead or dying. :sad:

[Fires of History]

Before I left the US, I felt just like Redstar is describing, just hitting my head against a wall. Trying to talk with everyone from republicans to religious nuts...and it's pointless. You cannot inform brainwashed people- for that is the best definition of the American people. They do not think for themselves, nor are they encouraged to in any way.

I live in BC, Canada now, and I've never been happier. It is said that Canada is just like the US, but it's not. There's an ethic up here that says we need to take care of each other, and that is actually acted upon.

And I've never felt more useful. Canadians are so used to self-righteous, ignorant Americans that I was something of an oddity when I first came here. They really didn't know how to take me, because for some of the people I met I was the first American they had ever met who burns an American flag every Fourth. But I feel more than accepted now, and, just like Redstar said, groups resisting the US outside of the US will take all the help they can get. And you better believe that the US isn't buying Canada without a serious fight, well at least BC that is.

To answer the original question, I see no hope for the US. Not anytime soon anyway. Hence why I left. I saw no reason to waste my life and happiness trying to fix something beyond repair.

I personally feel that the US needs to be destroyed and rebuilt for there to be any real change there. What I mean by that is just seriously changed in some way. The US is in stagnation. No longer do most Americans fight for freedom; instead they give it up. No longer do most Americans fight for democracy; instead they lie to themselves that they have a real choice on voting day- that and the fact that they prevent self-determination and democracy around the world whenever it suits their blessed 'national security.'

I think the American experiment was a good idea, and I have nothing but respect, even love, for those who fought early on to create free colonies and a free nation. The Founding Fathers were amazing thinkers...too bad nobody listens to them anymore. And for the most part the American people are very good people, most Americans are just suffering, deceived proletariat.

But it is not the people in control in the US anymore. Lobbyists, corporations, the insanely rich- these are the ones the politicians listen to.

If there is anything that would help the US right now it would be term limits. One term and you're done buddy. But even this is a short term solution. That and some serious campaign finance reform. But these things will never happen because it would unseat the elite few from power. It would take all that money out of politics, and that just isn't the American way now is it?

My cousin is a law student at the Univ. of Texas, and he always talks about how he can take the Bill of Rights and mark out the ones that don't even apply any more. While I don't claim to understand the purely legal side of it all, he assures me that every American's basic rights are dropping faster than a prom dress in June. Perhaps I can convince him to come post here.

America is now the only true terrorist state, attacking both citizen and foreigner with equal zeal, suspicious of anyone that would seek to change the power structure. Waging endless wars of all kinds, from the drug war on it's own citizens to the grabbing of nations necessary for it's continued hold on money/power.

America cares not about freedom, justice, democracy. It only cares about preserving its power. And that is why hope is in limited supply as America will fight, kill, and destroy anyone or anything that would try to see a different tomorrow where the US doesn't control everything.

[KaKa]

thanks guys!
i really had the feeling i am the only person who feels that way.
but i'll speak out anyways and sometime this year i'll go home and out of this crap.

[I Bow 4 Che]

This is what you must realize:


Can you ever think of one generation where the people did not say "WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING TO OUR WORLD!!"?

Every year it seems it gets worse and worse...slowly going down the shit hole..however I think this is quite healthy.

To be paranoid about our government means to care-to...to...ugh...writers block..I hope you realize what I'm saying.

You'd be surprised how many people will actually listen, and actually care. Try talking to them. Screw our youth...they..are our future yes, but they will blossom hopfully. Hasta-

[commie kg]

redstar2000, I plan on getting out of here ASAP, probably after college. I've considered Switzerland or Canada as possibilities.

Fires of History - excellent post. I totally agree with you. Where in BC do you live? I live in Seattle, maybe I could make a run for the border...

(Edited by commie kg at 7:08 pm on Jan. 10, 2003)

[CopperGoat]

When i immigrated to Canada from Iran, i did not get totally brainwashed but i was close. My dad tried to brainwash me, saying that canada is a "free" country. and you can do anything you want, and that you can't do stuff in Iran, he told me this when i was around 10, so i still had enough thought to resist him. he told me "You are very happy parham! You are free here, it's a free country, you can do whatever you want" and then i said "so i can shoot birds all day if i wanted to?" and he replied "No, there are laws, rules and morals." And then i responded, "so it's not a free country is it?" and he replied with a simple "You don't understand" after this i realized that there is a such thing as "evil" and i am now a politically correct, lefty communist, his was trying to make me an imperialist. And now, i have convinced him that capitalism is bad and that socialism is better. What a coincidence?

[Fires of History]

Kaka,

Yes- ACT. That's all you can do. ACT as if your very freedom depended on it, because it does. I think you're going to do just fine if you're asking such good questions.

I Bow 4 Che,

Exactly. What the young people in America need to remember is that they will inherit this mess. It's sad that most baby boomers don't care about the mess you and I are going to have to clean up because they'll be dead. But that's the situation. The question is, how long will we sit by and how big will we let the mess get?

CommieKG,

Yeah, Seattle's great, lived there for quite some time (everywhere from Lynnwood to Everett to- eek!- Renton). Definitely the only American city worth living in, in my opinion. I live in Victoria, but am in Vancouver a lot. You could always apply for political asylum, just remember to come on a tattered boat while covered in your own feces and mumbling about your love for Canada, lol.

CopperGoat,

The role reversal with your father is a very interesting, if not rare, story. Very glad to hear it, it shows a lot of character and wisdom in your father that he would be willing to listen to what you have to teach him as well.

[SonofRage]

Quote: from Fires of History on 3:01 pm on Jan. 10, 2003

America is now the only true terrorist state, attacking both citizen and foreigner with equal zeal, suspicious of anyone that would seek to change the power structure.


You forgot about Israel.

[Doshka]

Excuse me?!?!?! What the hell about Israel? i really would like to know if you have something meaningful to say...and to everyone else America has not hope. it is not only because of the ignorance or because of the capitalism only but also because of the origin of the country. the country was founded on blood and theft...whos land is it anyway? ofcourse, the native americans, the indians. the government is completely and totally corrupt...funding murderers like the IRA and Israel. your right Redstar, get your asses out of there as soon as you can...for the revolution of the people is near