Hip Hop Remix with Bob Avakian

[flyby]

download it here: http://nosheetsleft.com/ghettoremix/

from the website:

Spread This Song!

What is the deal with this Ghetto Remix; what is the history?
R&B artist Akon recorded Ghetto which was released on his debut album, Trouble, in 2004. An amazing music video for the song, filmed in New Jersey, New Mexico, and at the Navajo Nation in Arizona was seen on MTV2 and BET. The song began to generate more buzz when a remix surfaced on the radio featuring none other than Biggie Smalls and 2Pac. Miles Solay and Koba recorded their remix and sampled from the Bob Avakian REVOLUTION DVD (get your hands on a copy of this!).

Who is Bob Avakian?
Bob Avakian is Chairman of the Revolutionary Communist Party and his writings are regularly featured in Revolution Newspaper. Avakian is a fearless and visionary leader with great love for and understanding of the masses of people. With a significant body of work including his memoir, From Ike To Mao And Beyond, and Observations on Art & Culture, Science & Philosophy, he has been developing and taking revolutionary communism to a whole new place. You can download and listen to the 'bootleg' MP3's of his talks at Bob Avakian Speaks.

What about the other artists?
Miles Solay is the vocalist and lyricist of Outernational, an up-and-coming firebrand of a band based in NYC. Koba is a ferocious MC, part of the hip-hop group Kontrast.

Where do I fit in and what should I do?
Download this song. Get it played on college radio AND commercial radio. Get it all over the filesharing networks. Put it on your mixtapes. Play it in your car. Play it on your stereo, in the neighborhood and really loud. Upload it to your Podcast. Write about it on your blog or zine.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

:blink:

I honestly don't know if I should break into a hysterical laughter or throw up.

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 08:18 PM
:blink:

I honestly don't know if I should break into a hysterical laughter or throw up.
Do one first, then the other.

[Orthodox Marxist]

Ownthink PW?

[workersunity]

it really is a joke

ghetto...ghetto...ghetto...

[Scars]

Wow. I mean, Avakin is a gimp but I'll admit this is one thing I did not expect.

[Eastside Revolt]

Yeah the "who is Avakian" crap is a bit funny.

But overall, I don't seee what is such a joke to you guys.

[flyby]

well i think it is necessary to describe "who is Avakian" since there are a lot of people who still don't know.

And even when the revolution's leadership is MUCH much more well known, it will be necesary to fight for a summation of "who is Avakian" -- since attacks on the leadership are constant.

It is being played in many places -- and in exciting ways.

[The Feral Underclass]

That's quite an achievment. It's so cool to be a Maoist nowadays.

[flyby]

well, i've always thought it was cool to be a maoist. :D

But these are the kinds of times we live for.
And there are real openings for revolutioanry work.

And so, I think it is important that a revolutionary approach and communist work is being pressed forward in many ways.

[celticfire]

thanks for the link flyby! I threw it on my playlist just now. Awesome stuff!

:)

[Led Zeppelin]

Avakian's voice sucks ass.

[flyby]

have you ever heard lenin's voice (that pic you use as an avatar)?

The point is not the voice (or what you think about it)!

The point is that we (the people) have a leader and a cause that can lead us to liberation!

And the point is that a work like this is mind-blowing and exciting to people -- especially at a time when hip-hop and culture generally are in the pits!

Lift your eyes! Get over the petty!

[JC1]

Yep. I all way's thought he was too geeky with his voice to be a convincing leader.

Regarding lenin's voice; lenin had a pretty tough voice, i heard a recording of it. But, I agree that is petty.

[flyby]

You are touching on an important issue: How do we judge and select leaders.

The communist perspective is line -- what do leaders represent, concentrate, fight for? Do the leaders, and their line, represent a living link between the hellish present and a future worth living in?

We have to break from consumer culture, where leaders (and humans in general) are evaluated by body parts, or petty features -- like we are the consumers of human images! We should obviously shouldn't treat each other like that - pr what kind of liberation are we about?

Avakian is a remarkable speaker -- lofty, soaring, quick, funny, deeply moving in his understanding of the people and our struggle -- All of which you can hear in his talks on http://bobavakian.net and his message is so needed now -- it cuts through the bullshit, the mindless religiosity, the tired anti-communism ANDthe lowered sights of progressive people.

Petty criticisms are just a way of missing the real and bigger picture here!

And this remix is great! It is being played in sound trucks and gatherings in every city. Where I live there was just a caravan through the ghetto blaring the remix and calling people to the struggle for November 2!

[Led Zeppelin]

have you ever heard lenin's voice (that pic you use as an avatar)?


Yes, and I know who Lenin is.

Stop making assumptions, they turn out to be wrong most of the time.


The point is not the voice (or what you think about it)!

I know that's not the point, did I ever say that was "the point"? No, I merely said that his voice sucks ass.

Again I advise you to stop making assumptions.


But, I agree that is petty.

What is "petty"? Saying that his voice sucks? Not allowed to talk bad about "the leader" eh? Sorry, I find Avakian a piece of shit.

[flyby]

I guess we need a common language.

I assumed you know who Lenin was. My point was that Lenin was one of the greatest revolutionaries in history -- but had a hi-pitched speaking voice (a syou can hear in recordings) . So it was strange to me that you would have an avatar that (correctly) upholds lenin -- but would (ironically) act as if a voice you didn't like was some kind of disqualifier.

The point is not that we can't or shouldn't criticize leaders. (Which we should, if necessary, WHEN and AFTER we have done the work to really understand the revolutionary theory and questions of line they are digging into and developing!)

The point is that we are in an intense period of struggle -- where many life and death issues are at stake. The revolutionaries are pressing out very powerfully right now -- including by bringing out the important work done by their leader, Bob Avakian.

It just seemed to me that petty remarks about 'his voice" misses the bigger picture, and what matters at this moment. Including they miss the essense of what needs to be done with this remix -- which is to make sure it is heard and used by everyone with a set of speakers or a CD burner!

Bob Avakian's voice is very powerful and it really needs to be heard a lot more -- and by that I am NOT focusing on personal opinions about the tone of his vocals or whatever. I mean his voice -- what he represents, concentrates and fights for.

(It is very "all-American" to be a critic without investigation. Someone said that to be an American you need that special mix of ignorance and arrocance. And we revolutionaries should not adopt that -- To mock or diss things without really knowing very much. It is part of the culture that holds back political and revolutionary theory and consciousness. So we need to help each other get over it.)

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

The funny part about your last bit is that Marxism-Leninism isn't American, at all.


Avakian is a remarkable speaker -- lofty, soaring, quick, funny, deeply moving in his understanding of the people and our struggle

You forgot stuttering, rambling, and with a lisp.

Which you can also "hear in his talks on http://bobavakian.net"

:lol:

[FleasTheLemur]

Even though I'm not a Maoist, I have to agree with the fact that attacking his voice is a little "eh". Plus, you have to admit; at least listening to the Maoist speak/rap is 50x better than swallowing the shovels full of crap the capitalist gives us.

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 11:51 PM
Even though I'm not a Maoist, I have to agree with the fact that attacking his voice is a little "eh". Plus, you have to admit; at least listening to a Maoist speak is 50x better than swallowing the shovels full of crap the capitalist gives us.
Definitely agree. I would rather listen to a Maoist make a speech rather than some Capitalist politician bullshit us about how he is going to make our lives so much better, but nothing ever comes of it.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I don't want to be sectarian, but what's with the Avakian personality-cult stuff. It creeps me out.

It's never like: "I'm a member of the RCP and we do lots of good work, here's what we think will help build a revolution". Instead, RCP members come into where I work and tell me that Avakian loves opressed people and here's some quotes by him.

I know that RCP folks are dedicated, thinking people, and I'm not trying to attack, but it's cultish and freaks-out my inner-anarchist*!




*I am not an anarchist, but when people start talking about chairman so-and-so, a little voice inside me yells: "no leaders, no masters, no slaves!" and breaks the windows of a starbuks in my head.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I'm not a fan of rap, but this was easy on the ears, the lyrics were good, and it was sort of catchy in it's own distinct way.

However, there's a risk of this track becoming an earworm.

[Intifada]

I am a fan of rap, and I think that it was absolute crap.

I hate Akon anyway, and Avakian sounds like a mix between a little kid and Michael Jackson.

[Led Zeppelin]

I assumed you know who Lenin was.

Then why did you say this:

"have you ever heard lenin's voice (that pic you use as an avatar)?"

Maybe you were trying to sound "witty" and funny, you failed.


but had a hi-pitched speaking voice (a syou can hear in recordings)

His voice is far from high-pitched, he has a very low and rough voice actually: Lenin Addresses Red Army troops during Russian Civil War (http://www.historychannel.com/speeches/ra_archive/speech_457.ram).


So it was strange to me that you would have an avatar that (correctly) upholds lenin -- but would (ironically) act as if a voice you didn't like was some kind of disqualifier.


Again, I never said I didn't like Avakian because his voice sucks.

Your assumption making is fucking up this thread.


It just seemed to me that petty remarks about 'his voice" misses the bigger picture

You're wrong.


Bob Avakian's voice is very powerful and it really needs to be heard a lot more

No, I just said it sucks ass.


and by that I am NOT focusing on personal opinions about the tone of his vocals or whatever. I mean his voice -- what he represents, concentrates and fights for.


That means you are focusing on what he says, not on what his voice sounds like.

I actually agree with everything he says in the song, did I ever say I didn't? No, I just said his voice sucks ass.


(It is very "all-American" to be a critic without investigation. Someone said that to be an American you need that special mix of ignorance and arrocance. And we revolutionaries should not adopt that -- To mock or diss things without really knowing very much. It is part of the culture that holds back political and revolutionary theory and consciousness. So we need to help each other get over it

I'm not American, there goes yet another assumption.

[flyby]

Originally posted by Marxism-[email protected] 9 2005, 02:50 PM

I assumed you know who Lenin was.

Then why did you say this:

"have you ever heard lenin's voice (that pic you use as an avatar)?"

Maybe you were trying to sound "witty" and funny, you failed.


but had a hi-pitched speaking voice (a syou can hear in recordings)

His voice is far from high-pitched, he has a very low and rough voice actually: Lenin Addresses Red Army troops during Russian Civil War (http://www.historychannel.com/speeches/ra_archive/speech_457.ram).


So it was strange to me that you would have an avatar that (correctly) upholds lenin -- but would (ironically) act as if a voice you didn't like was some kind of disqualifier.


Again, I never said I didn't like Avakian because his voice sucks.

Your assumption making is fucking up this thread.


It just seemed to me that petty remarks about 'his voice" misses the bigger picture

You're wrong.


Bob Avakian's voice is very powerful and it really needs to be heard a lot more

No, I just said it sucks ass.


and by that I am NOT focusing on personal opinions about the tone of his vocals or whatever. I mean his voice -- what he represents, concentrates and fights for.


That means you are focusing on what he says, not on what his voice sounds like.

I actually agree with everything he says in the song, did I ever say I didn't? No, I just said his voice sucks ass.


(It is very "all-American" to be a critic without investigation. Someone said that to be an American you need that special mix of ignorance and arrocance. And we revolutionaries should not adopt that -- To mock or diss things without really knowing very much. It is part of the culture that holds back political and revolutionary theory and consciousness. So we need to help each other get over it

I'm not American, there goes yet another assumption.
Hmmm.

Well, I think people reading this thread can judge for themselves.

A very wonderful and useful revolutinary ghetto remix has appeared right in the middle of the intense drive to Drive Out the Bush REgime (http://worldcantwait.org).

It is an important instrument in reaching all kinds of people. It is being used over bullhorns, and in school hallways.

And I posted it here, so that even more people can get it, use it, share it, and get into it themselves.

I'm not going to spend anyones valuable time and bandwidth on the petty.

But once again I want to urge everyone in the U.S. to pick up their work, right now. If you are not aware of the intense struggle going on, and huge new rev efforts being made, then dig into it!

http://revcom.us/a/013/choose-life-matters.htm

http://rwor.org/a/014/driving-out-bush-regime.htm

[Led Zeppelin]

Why did you quote my post without responding to it?

Is it your task to fuck up threads?

[flyby]

what i wrote was a response (a correct response) to what you wrote.

reread it.

[novemba]

is this track official? i doubt it...

they have accapellas and someone prolly just threw in avakian and called it revolutionary...i bet avakian doesn't even know about it

and i find this particularly funny cause if the RCP ever were to be succesful (hah) theyd probably destroy all hip hop in the name of the party and cultural revolution...aaaaaaaaaaahahha

[flyby]

i bet avakian doesn't even know about it

Of course he knows about it.

if the RCP ever were to be succesful (hah) theyd probably destroy all hip hop in the name of the party and cultural revolution

You have been brainwashed with anti-communism, and have not bothered to actually read what the RCP says and does about culture.

I suggest checking it out, and then making opinions based on some real knowledge of what the revolutionary movement is all about.

REvolution Newspaper's articles on art and music! (http://rwor.org/s/arts_e.htm)

The Maoists interview with Boots from the Coup (http://rwor.org/a/v23/1120-29/1122/boots.htm)

Art and Revolutoinary Imagination by Bob Avakian (http://rwor.org/a/v19/950-59/952/artqts.htm)

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

This thread should be moved to the propaganda forum...

[redwinter]

No, this thread shouldn't be moved to the propaganda forum. Should any music that samples from revolutionary speeches be put into the propaganda forum? That's pretty dumb idea, then a lot of music couldn't be talked about in the Music section simply because it features a particular leader (ie Dead Prez sampling Omali Yeshitela). Revolutionary musicians are going to try to promote revolutionary ideas in their art, it's a fact of life (and not a bad thing at all, in my opinion!)

We have flyby here trying to promote this new remix and talking about the political leader who is being sampled in it. And we have a few people trying to start trouble and talk shit about a revolutionary leader. Is it too scary for y'all to be talking about Avakian?

[wet blanket]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 04:25 AM
And we have a few people trying to start trouble and talk shit about a revolutionary leader. Is it too scary for y'all to be talking about Avakian?
IS IT TOO SCARY, Y'ALL???

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

:lol:

What a fucking joke.

And yes it should be moved to propaganda, because your comrade is spamming your RCP dribble all throughout the thread.

[Led Zeppelin]

what i wrote was a response (a correct response) to what you wrote.


That was not a "correct" response to my post, that was saying "I don't give a shit about what you wrote", you could have said that without quoting my post, actually you should have done that, since you didn't respond to my post at all.

And yes, move this shitty thread to propaganda.