Bush said God told him to invade Iraq, Afgan.

[YoUnG192]

NEWS LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051006/ts_alt_afp/mideastbritainusiraq_051006214432)

LONDON (AFP) - US President George W. Bush allegedly said God told him to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, a new BBC documentary will reveal, according to details.

Bush made the claim when he met Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas and then foreign minister Nabil Shaath in June 2003, the ministers told the documentary series to be broadcast in Britain later this month.

The US leader also told them he had been ordered by God to create a Palestinian state, the ministers said.

Shaath, now the Palestinian information minister, said: " President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God.

'God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan'.'

"And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq...' And I did.

"'And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God I'm gonna do it'," said Shaath.

Abbas, who was also at the meeting in the Egyptian resort of Sharm al-Sheikh, recalled how the president told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation.

"So I will get you a Palestinian state."

A BBC spokesman said the content of the programme had been put to the White House but it had refused to comment on a private conversation.

The three-part series, "Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs", charts the attempts to bring peace to the Middle East, from former US president Bill Clinton's peace talks in 1999-2000 to Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza strip.

The programme speaks to presidents and prime ministers, their generals and ministers, about what happened behind closed doors as the peace talks failed and the intifada grew.

The series is due to be screened in Britain on October 10, 17 and 24.


I really like this part


"And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq...' And I did.

This is just crazy. What do you guys think

[Urban Guerrilla]

Why is it when you talk to God, you are considered religious, but when God talks to you, you are considered insane?

All jokes aside. If he's going to use religion debate by religion: I don't think God would tell "Dubya" to please go kill my children :che:

[Zapata]

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state." -thomas jefferson

but hey, if god told him to, he'd better do it. did god tell him to give enron a tax break?

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

did god tell him to give enron a tax break?

hahahahahaha! Fantastic. Very good for someone with only 43 posts! Glad you've got the balls to say things like that. Many don't.

[Tekun]

Funny :lol:

But on tha real, why would God talk to a man that supports the death penalty yet despises pro-choice?

"thou shall not kill?"

He hates Roe v Wade, yet he's willing to bomb and kill thousands of Iraqi families/children, just to overthrow Sadaam?

I think he's been hittin the bottle with Jenna and Barbara

[ComradeOm]

Good to see some of that old time religion around. A few wars of religion are just what the world needs right now. Spread the good news one bullet at a time. Still its good to know tha the big guy hasn't completely forgotten about us down here. ;)

[bolshevik butcher]

'Go get the Palestinians their state'

Ah well at least this god isnt too bad........

This is craxy though. If this was just about any other country in the west he'd be labled a phsyco.

[Anarchist Freedom]

Honestly I can see this happening. Ive talked to many christians and apparently god endorses war if he claims it to be good or some stupid mish mash like that.

[FleasTheLemur]

If I snorted as much cocaine as he allegidly did, I'd start hearing voices from God too...

[Sanjee]

This Dude just doesn't have no other reasons to atack countries so now he's using god..to get away with this :P

[Sickle of Justice]

Bush is completely insane. if god even exists, according to most christian ideology he belives in peace

[Orthodox Marxist]

Im an athiest so I dont believe there is a god and even if there were he wouldnt talk to that dumbass

"Almighty God has called me to lead the German people-- not to final defeat but to victory." (Adolf Hitler 1944)

"'I'm driven with a mission from God."(George Bush)

Notice the similarites both men have a fanatical belief In themselves and god

[viva le revolution]

Political infancy. clearly this syayement is supposed to appeal to evangelical christians with the lowest common denominators of intelligence

[barret]

For the most part, Bush is using his relationship with god as a staple. With about 52% of the American population being Protestant and 24% of the population being Catholic, god has a huge fan base, and what he says rolls.*(According to the CIA Fact sheet http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbo.../us.html)Wether (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html)Wether) or not god exisit or not, the power of community, most of which based in the devotance of god, is strong enough to allow such grossly inane ideas to be widely accepted.

[Orthodox Marxist]

well said

[Che NJ]

evangelicals say god talks to them all the time. I think what they mean is, with all of their "theological knowledge" in mind, they can make the same descisions god would. only they are religious enough to think like god.

[deak]

"Almighty God has called me to lead the German people-- not to final defeat but to victory." (Adolf Hitler 1944)

"'I'm driven with a mission from God."(George Bush)

Notice the similarites both men have a fanatical belief In themselves and god


Sorry, but you forgot the most important:
'They're not gonna catch us. We're on a mission from God" (Elwood)

Catholicism has what they call a "Just War." Before we invaded Iraq, Pope John Paul II came out against the war because he felt that it didn't meet the criteria. It's interesting because much of the just theory is based on the idea of proportionality, or if the cost of the war is less than the good that will come from it. The question is: who has the authority or can see the future to make that decision? Of course, Bush isn't Catholic so he can simply go to a higher sourse, i.e. Pat Robertson, to make his decisions. Oh wait, god tells him the future as well right?

[Latifa]

Religion is escapism. He needed an excuse to go to war, he pulled the "holy war" card out of his shoe. A pathetic excuse if ever I saw one.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by Red Marxist [email protected] 7 2005, 07:11 PM
Im an athiest so I dont believe there is a god and even if there were he wouldnt talk to that dumbass

"Almighty God has called me to lead the German people-- not to final defeat but to victory." (Adolf Hitler 1944)

"'I'm driven with a mission from God."(George Bush)

Notice the similarites both men have a fanatical belief In themselves and god
I hate when people compare people they don't like to Hitler, it's stupid and outdated plus your point sucked, the Islamist extremists also say God tells them to fight the Americans.
In every major war both sides have claimed to be "on the side of God", in WW2 the Germans and English would pray to the same God that they were told drove them to fight evil.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 07:55 AM
Religion is escapism. He needed an excuse to go to war, he pulled the "holy war" card out of his shoe. A pathetic excuse if ever I saw one.
Ummmm, I thought his excuses were Saddam had WMDs, could attack Western civilizations with the press of a button and opressed his people?

BTW - The post by "Sanjee" was terrible, practically spam to get his post count up.

[hippieofsorts]

bush is a godless hypocrit who uses religion only for his gain. I am not religous although i was reaised a catholic and I know that Jesus preached nonviolence completely. So to call oneself a christian and then support a war of any kind is pure hypocracy.

[Zapata]

i think the problem with religions and peace is that although most major religions supposedly preach peace, its basically against human nature to be always peaceful. the koran and the bible are against killing (thou shalt not kill) (love thy neighbor), and yet many followers of islam and christianity do not heed those teachings. i am personally baffled as to why bush believes god told him to go to war. frankly, bush had plenty of lies backing up the invasion already. i guess it was to gain more support from the increaingly large die-hard christians in america. i personally see no reason to be religious, but if i was religious i doubt i'd like bush any more than i do now

[Anarchist Freedom]

In the bible god is not for peace as long as it is for jesus. So if someone is to fight in the name of the lord, would make war be a justification under Christianities rule.

[Orthodox Marxist]

In this case comparing bush to hitler is valid in terms of them both using god and religion to justify what they do

[Alaniara]

I could understand this situation if the guy was a Jihad or a Crusade leader. Or some third-world fundamentalist dictator. But what the hell, he is the leader of the "biggest democracy" in the world, as he would argue, and he tells his people that he is fighting in the name of god?

Well, what the fork?

If this guy, the mighty US president, is dying to "democratize" the rest of the world, and is doing this because god has told him so, he has reached the ultimate point in idiocy. He cannot be serious even though he's Bush. I mean, if these words of his are being documented, they could well be used as proof for contradicting with his country's political institution. And democracies are not formed by god, they are formed by people's will.

This is just pure bullshit. And in fact, why are we even taking this guy seriously? He's gone mad a long time ago. :D

[Rasta Sapian]

I think that the Devil made him do it. <_<

[Zapata]

maybe the whole &#39;god told me to&#39; thing is because he&#39;s running out of quasi-legitimate reasons. first, it was wmds and ties to al qaeda and terrorism. it became obvious pretty quickly that there were no wmds and the aluminum tubes were for civilian manufacturing, not processing uranium. then the terrorism connection is disproved (turns out saddam refused bin ladens request to use iraq for training, and in fact saddam&#39;s frequent attacks on his own people and fellow muslims didn&#39;t fly well with the radical extremist muslim movement). then of course we had to invade for humanitarian reasons, to liberate the iraqi people. while it is definitely true that the iraqi people were oppressed, so are, for example, the people of tibet, and the us doesn&#39;t think twice about doing business with china. there&#39;s a genocide going on in sudan and bush doesn&#39;t do anything about that. why? because there isn&#39;t oil in sudan, maybe, or maybe because his dad never had beef with the sudani government. but obviously those reasons wouldn&#39;t go down well with people, so he plays the old &#39;god told me to&#39; card. this whole thing will be like the 9th crusade or whatever number they left of at

[Commandante_Ant]

Get a lawyer on the case and get him to appeal for George Bush to be stripped of Presidency on the grounds of mental instability and insanity. Because if he thinks God would speak to HIM, then he must be fuckin mental.

I thought this was a windup when i first read about it. Oh dear. What an imbecile.

[patrickbeverley]

Originally posted by Rasta [email protected] 9 2005, 05:39 PM
I think that the Devil made him do it.
"There ain&#39;t no devil, just God when he&#39;s drunk" -Tom Waits

Seriously, I look around at the world God "created" and I wouldn&#39;t talk to the fucker even if I did believe in him.

[mov.julio26]

Christians belive in the prophets, Bush believes in the profits and how to get a hold of them.
Like many of you said, religion is the biggest drug in the world, and right know Bush is the druglord of this country and he can control the peoples mind to agree with the stupidity of his policies.

[Marxistinn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 09:56 PM
Get a lawyer on the case and get him to appeal for George Bush to be stripped of Presidency on the grounds of mental instability and insanity. Because if he thinks God would speak to HIM, then he must be fuckin mental.

I thought this was a windup when i first read about it. Oh dear. What an imbecile.
Yeah, he&#39;s mentally unstable.

Article on Bush being depressed (http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=33&num=5141)
Article on Bush&#39;s drinking disorder (http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7430.shtml)

Don&#39;t know how reliable they are, but they make sense.

[Gnosis]

George W. Bush is a piece of the universe.

The universe is God.

God is G.W.Bush

His claim does not sound so far-fetched to me.

What he is saying is "I told myself to do this, but I am not conditioned to see myself as myself, and I AM conditioned to call myself God under these circumstances"

The circumstances being detachment from reality and egotism.

He spoke correctly, God told him what to do.

But he probably does not know he is God, or that everyone is God, and so he thinks he is special.

Can&#39;t blame him, though.

He posesses the same weakness we all posess and that is the belief that we are special an unique in our individual body.

Plus he has a lot of power and that sort of power will corrupt especially the most innocent soul.

And by "innocent" I mean ignorent.

I cannot blame him, but I do think he is not suited to run this country (or any country) and he does not speak for me.

But then again, he IS running the country, and in that way I realize the irrelevence of my opinion.

But then again, my opinion is not so irrelevent if I too have "power".

If I had power,my opinion would mean things to people other than myself.

But I do not want power, it is not my will to gain power or to use pwoer and so I don&#39;t and I would rather stay in bed.

Oh well...

[Atlas Swallowed]

God, Gold oil and drugs for a Bush. The man is not a Christian anyhow. He belongs to Skull and Bones and has participated in Pagan rituals at Bohemian Grove. It sounds good for the bible thumping relgious right idiots that support the boob. Dumbya is a Satanist whether he knows it or not.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

From Volume 1, Issue 5 of the Free Press (http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/freepress.html)

Bush Claimed God Told Him To Invade Afghanistan and Iraq

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A new documentary series, “Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs,” set to be broadcast this month in Britain on the BBC says that when he met Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas and then-foreign minister Nabil Shaath in June 2003, U.S. President George W. Bush claimed god told him to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.

Shaath, now Information Minister of Palestine, said “President Bush said to all of us: &#39;I&#39;m on a mission from God.”

"God would tell me, &#39;George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan&#39;.

"And I did. And then God would tell me, &#39;George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq... &#39; And I did.” said Shaath.

The illegal invasion of Iraq has already cost the lives of over 100,000 people.

Mahmud Abbas corroborated, recalling that Bush told him he had a “moral and religious obligation.”

But none of this should be surprising, coming from a president with the backing of a reactionary, Christian fascist movement, which he in turn fully supports. He has put these lunatics into powerful positions throughout the courts, military, and his own administration&#33;

Lieutenant General William G. Boykin, who was made deputy undersecretary of Defense for intelligence in 2003 by Bush, claims that Bush wasn&#39;t elected but that, “He&#39;s in the White House because God put him there,” and he believes it&#33; The same General, in a speech discussing his battle against a Muslim in Somalia said “I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.” (Apparently “his God” wasn’t big enough, because the Somalian people eventually forced U.S. imperialists out of their country entirely.)

Even the Katrina disaster is being used to their advantage. FEMA recently listed as the number three recommended charity the fraudulent organization of Pat Robertson (former Republican candidate for President and adviser to Bush who has called for the assassination of the democratically elected president of Venezuela, suggested that the explosion of a nuclear weapon at State Department Headquarters would be good for the country, stated that the acceptance of homosexuality could result in hurricanes earthquakes, tornadoes, terrorist bombs, and “possibly a meteor,”agreed with Christian fascist Jerry Falwell that the September 11 terrorist attacks were caused by “pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays, lesbians, the ACLU, and the People for the American Way, and described feminism as a “socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians”).

In 1994, it was discovered that donations given to this very same organization, that Robertson claimed on his television show “The 700 Club” would be used to airlift refugees from Rwanda to Zaire, were actually used for planes that were transporting diamond-mining equipment for the African Development Corporation, a venture Robertson launched in cooperation with Zaire&#39;s dictator Mobutu Sese Seko.

Even journalist George F. Will, an open supporter of Republicans, understands the danger these fascists pose, writing earlier this year that “the greatest threat to civility - and ultimately to civilization - is an excess of certitude. The world is much menaced just now by people who think that the world and their duties in it are clear and simple. They are certain that they know what - who - created the universe and what this creator wants them to do to make our little speck in the universe perfect, even if extreme measures - even violence - are required.”

These Christian fascists truly believe that they are on a mission from god, and seek to impose a theocracy on the United States and the world&#33; They want to end the separation of church and state and make the Bible the literal law of the land. This would mean the end of women&#39;s rights and the complete subservience of women to men, reintroduction of slavery, and the execution of homosexuals, rape victims, non-Christians, and children that talk back to their parents – all of which (among other things) is upheld in the Bible.

These people are on the move and will only grow stronger if everyone else remains inactive. It&#39;s time to mobilize and oppose them everywhere they rear their ugly heads, before it&#39;s too late.

[daemonabraxas]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 01:08 AM


Of course, Bush isn&#39;t Catholic so he can simply go to a higher sourse, i.e. Pat Robertson, to make his decisions. Oh wait, god tells him the future as well right?
Hey man I would watch what I say if I was you . My cousins live in VA beach Virginia and their house is across the street from Pat Robertson and they said that when A thunder storm came through their side of the street lost power but Pat&#39;s didn&#39;t. Obviously god protects him .

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

What?

[Zapata]

daemonabraxas you arent serious are you?
the bible: "thou shalt not kill"
pat robertson: "we have the ability to take him out, and the time has come that we exercise that ability...have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with"

little contradiction there

[daemonabraxas]

No I was just kidding. True story though

[DanRev]

So thousands upon thousands of poor hungry children pray to god everyday, but never get an answer?

G.W.Bush prays to god and he answers AND gives him advice?

[DeadFishCorpse]

I am a christian, and I am completeley against war and capitalism, dont bash the "religion", bush is an idiot that twist what christ really said, christ was actually in favor of a socialistic economy, if u look in the book of acts it talks about the apostles selling all they owned and giving it to the poor, when christianity was still underground, people would voluntarily give all their possesions to share with the poor and opressed, but when the roman dictators started making it legal and obligatory, it not only brought down the power of rome , but the love of a worldview very much like what socialism is tody it was about compassion, but 2000 years of corruption eventually lead to this.

[DisIllusion]

Just another example of idiots with power trying to justify their faults with religion...

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Originally posted by Rage Against The [email protected] 8 2005, 05:02 PM
BTW - The post by "Sanjee" was terrible, practically spam to get his post count up.
I agree.

*Hehe that&#39;s another one on my post count :ph34r:


@DeadFishCorpse: Are you a christian communist then? :huh:

[DeadFishCorpse]

yeah, but most christians wouldnt call me christian, im a liberal christian,or at least i admire christ for giving his life to the poor, but i am not an atheist if thats what ur saying

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 11:52 AM
maybe the whole &#39;god told me to&#39; thing is because he&#39;s running out of quasi-legitimate reasons. first, it was wmds and ties to al qaeda and terrorism. it became obvious pretty quickly that there were no wmds and the aluminum tubes were for civilian manufacturing, not processing uranium. then the terrorism connection is disproved (turns out saddam refused bin ladens request to use iraq for training, and in fact saddam&#39;s frequent attacks on his own people and fellow muslims didn&#39;t fly well with the radical extremist muslim movement). then of course we had to invade for humanitarian reasons, to liberate the iraqi people. while it is definitely true that the iraqi people were oppressed, so are, for example, the people of tibet, and the us doesn&#39;t think twice about doing business with china. there&#39;s a genocide going on in sudan and bush doesn&#39;t do anything about that. why? because there isn&#39;t oil in sudan, maybe, or maybe because his dad never had beef with the sudani government. but obviously those reasons wouldn&#39;t go down well with people, so he plays the old &#39;god told me to&#39; card. this whole thing will be like the 9th crusade or whatever number they left of at
Great point. But he did say this in 2003, very shortly after the invasion of Iraq. I think that Bush has probably believed that "God told him to do it" all along, and used those other excuses just to try to convince people that the war was neccessary, without thinking of him as a complete lunatic, and this just prooves that either, he is one, or he&#39;s just really really stupid.

[danielfolsom]

Quite frankly, i belive that most politions have used the term "god or gods" for years. Somehow this incident reminds me of the mandate of heaven, God said we should take over, i mean, i doubt he was insane enough to think that something was talking about him, and if god did talk to him i don&#39;t think he would be smart enough to understand him :D , but the fact is religion has been used throughout the years (bush admin) despite the "seperation of church and state" and in my opinion, it should be stopped.

[councilcommie]

Imagine the outcry if god told him to go and bomb the UK&#33; This is simply rediculous, and if he&#39;s got to the stage when he&#39;s using god as an excuse, he really should be ousted.

[MeTaLhEaD]

thats why i dont believe in god. and people like the evangelist christians.. fascists.......... i guess&#33; im atheist thanx to god :huh:

[Tekun]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 06:22 PM
Imagine the outcry if god told him to go and bomb the UK&#33; This is simply rediculous, and if he&#39;s got to the stage when he&#39;s using god as an excuse, he really should be ousted.
x2 ;)

[Gust]

That&#39;s funny, because briefly before telling Mr. Bush this, God told me to skin every Cappie alive.