Is the us ready for a revoultion

[Unity85]

[B][B][B][B]everybody what do u think is the us ready for a revoulution the fall of federalism and the rise of the 50 nation states what do u people think about that, and how do u think it could be done so that i could last and all people of the new world would benifit from such a revoultion

[Ownthink]

Not yet. Be patient, it will happen.

[danny android]

Definitly not yet. There are to many reactionaries and reactionary ideals in amerikan society. The time will come, but amerika will have to have some kind of huge economic upset, like one that would make it a second or third world country, in order for there to be any great revolutionary change. It will happen though, be pacient as ownthink has said.

[Reds]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 07:07 PM
[B][B][B][B]everybody what do u think is the us ready for a revoulution the fall of federalism and the rise of the 50 nation states what do u people think about that, and how do u think it could be done so that i could last and all people of the new world would benifit from such a revoultion
the rise of 50 nation states would be a step backwards.

[Sabocat]

As a communist, I'm not interested in national boundries in any form.

[bezdomni]

No, the third world countries will have to revolt first. The Venezuelan Revolution needs to spread to the rest of Latin America. Then the time will come for industrialized nations to revolt.

[CaptianAnarchy]

nicely put clown penis


Then all Anarchy will prevail

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Not yet. Be patient, it will happen.

Prove it.

[Psy]

Originally posted by danny [email protected] 6 2005, 11:32 PM
Definitly not yet. There are to many reactionaries and reactionary ideals in amerikan society. The time will come, but amerika will have to have some kind of huge economic upset, like one that would make it a second or third world country, in order for there to be any great revolutionary change. It will happen though, be pacient as ownthink has said.
There is a underclass in America that is ready for revolution, just look at the Benton Habour (Detriot) race riot in 2003. The problem is their frustration does not lead to a revolutionary movement and instead just explodes onto the streets yet without unity with their comrads the police always regain control.

There is already a economic upset for the workers, just because the capitalist are getting richer doesn't change the fact the working class is getting poorer.

[Gnosis]

If you mean "war" when you use the word "revolution", then there is no need to wait, it is already here.
If by "revolution" you mean "evolution" or natural transition from one phase of human development to another of "higher" consciousness, then once more you are in luck, for it is readily accesable to any being wishing to reach their highest potential before the ineveitable death of their body.
If by "revolution" you are speaking of a change in the direction, philosophy, intention, and reactionary facilities of the politics of the world, then you are correct in assuming the "revolution" will indeed occur in the future as it may be said that the current system is already in the final stages of its existence.
The occurence of the symbolic event which causes all who witness it to realize this change and what in means in relation to their own individual existences depends on the individual and his will to be or not be.

I have already realized the revolution, my challenge now is to make sure all others in my lifetime realize it as well.

Fucking wonderful.

[Erythromycin-diazepam]

No not yet, i dont think a revoultion will happen in my lifetime.

[Commie Rat]

I sick of people posting random shit about Revlutions in certain places

1) try it i dare you be the mother fucker i am i will laugh as you are cut down(then proceed to kill the cop who did it to you)
2) the revolution is global (so it will not be in in any 1 state or nation!)
3) The revolution is enevitable, there will be no day when the revolution will just occur! Only when the system alienates the lowest common denomiator will all rise against the capitalists. There will be no revolution whilst the majority of americans are in suburbia worrying more about weather it is going to rain instead of worry about how captialists are going analy rape them

[KC]

No, the third world countries will have to revolt first. The Venezuelan Revolution needs to spread to the rest of Latin America. Then the time will come for industrialized nations to revolt.

The revolution starting in less developed nations before the more developed ones is a strictly Leninist stance. All a revolution in the less developed nations does is develops them further along capitalism; it does not change the socio-economic system in which it intends to.

Of course, once the poorer nations are further developed, the inherent contradiction in capitalism will cause it to fall; that contradiction is competition vs. human rights, or rather the competition to drive down prices vs. the rights of the workers. This will happen in the most developed nations first as they will be the first to experience the pressure.



There is a underclass in America that is ready for revolution, just look at the Benton Habour (Detriot) race riot in 2003. The problem is their frustration does not lead to a revolutionary movement and instead just explodes onto the streets yet without unity with their comrads the police always regain control.


Wasn't that not about the economic situation, and about race?


If you mean "war" when you use the word "revolution", then there is no need to wait, it is already here.

Where?


If by "revolution" you mean "evolution" or natural transition from one phase of human development to another of "higher" consciousness, then once more you are in luck, for it is readily accesable to any being wishing to reach their highest potential before the ineveitable death of their body.

No it isn't.

[workersunity]

Smash ALL BORDERS!!

[slim]

If American revolutionaries come to our aid, im sure that we will come to yours with the support of a national army and a vast treasury to aid the people in their struggle against capitalism.

[Psy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 06:45 AM


There is a underclass in America that is ready for revolution, just look at the Benton Habour (Detriot) race riot in 2003. The problem is their frustration does not lead to a revolutionary movement and instead just explodes onto the streets yet without unity with their comrads the police always regain control.


Wasn't that not about the economic situation, and about race?

Both, it was about both high unemployment for blacks and police brutiality, basicly their entire situtation.

[Sabocat]

Only when the system alienates the lowest common denomiator

That happened a long, long time ago.

[Che NJ]

I think we are all underestimating the U.S.'s ability to control its citizens and their minds.

America will be one of the last countries to have a revolution if it does have one.

[KC]

No it won't. These people will be the first to feel the effects of capitalism as it dies.

[Che NJ]

No it won't. These people will be the first to feel the effects of capitalism as it dies.
as long as they are shut out from outside ideas, no american would even think about going against their government. They truly feel that the federal government is spreading freedom and justice because freedom to them means right wing freedom. as things change in the rest of the world, the ammount of shit coming out of the government and the media will intensify and people will believe it just like iraq. american mentality will never change as long as capitalists control the government and flow of information and ideas.

[Tekun]

Originally posted by Che [email protected] 8 2005, 05:00 PM
I think we are all underestimating the U.S.'s ability to control its citizens and their minds.

America will be one of the last countries to have a revolution if it does have one.
^Yep, mos definitely
Americans are more concerned with whats gonna happen on Desperate Housewives, then with politics (pathetic!)

But there will be revolution in Latin America, and Venezuela is leading the way
I think Bolivia will be next, led by Evo Morales and MAS

Its only a matter of time fellaz.... :D

[Gnosis]

If you mean "war" when you use the word "revolution", then there is no need to wait, it is already here.

Where?

I should have said "here and now".
The revolution exists already within the borders of the consciousness of the here and now.
Many modern people, especially the young, have already realized the possibility of revolution (in a mass political sense), still others have realized the reality of active revolution (a personal, spiritual, individual political sense).
It is within them that the revolution exists already.
The fact that we are talking about it right here and now shows that it already exists.



If by "revolution" you mean "evolution" or natural transition from one phase of human development to another of "higher" consciousness, then once more you are in luck, for it is readily accesable to any being wishing to reach their highest potential before the ineveitable death of their body.

No it isn't.

Just because you don't see it, does not mean it isn't there.

All you have to do is realize the fact that evolution is inevitable, that we have the ability to control who we are, what we believe, and what our society looks like, and that being conscious of yourself in relation to your opinion of your reality is the highest goel one may ever attain.

Of course it is accesable here and now, how could it not be?

I don't understand what makes you think one may not reach their fullest potential if they know what that potential is and know the steps to take in order to get to the place in which they wish to exist.

Is that not the point of any revolution?

Some one says "hey, we could be better than this, and this system is holding us back..."
They've realized their potential.
"Let's knock down this building and get rid of that king and live our lives according to these rules instead of those..."
they know what they want and they know how to get it.
And then it is a matter of their own individual will along with the will of the rest of their group and the will of their opposing group.
It is a matter of whos will is more complete, stronger, easier to attain fufillment of.

What belief is contrary and how much more truth does it contain?

How can you say you are for a revolution and then turn around and say it is not available or impossible to attain fufillment of?

Utterly futile.

I was speaking in spiritual terms as well as political and social when I spoke of consciousness and evolving into something more than we are now.
Though one may posess his or her own opinion as to which of these changes is easiest to will, I believe they are all equally possible if only one realizes they are possible and then goes on to will them from the mind of mere posibility, to the relm of the material realization.

It is up to you and no one else to change the world.

If you want things to be different, you must change them yourself.
No one will do it for you.
The revolution begins when you stand up and say it does.
I say it has no begining, it has no end, we're in it now, here it is before us, we can either not be apart of it or activate our will in any direction we so choose.
But in the end it is the individual and his own descision to do what he will for any reason which will ever bring activity of any sort to this planet earth.

In other words, if you wish to live the revolution and your opinion of that revolution is, then now is the time, here is the space, do what you will for there is no one you must answer to but yourself.
You have all the power of any man or woman, be not afraid of political status or political title.
Be not afraid of the consequences of your actions.
However, do be conscious of the weapons of your enemy, they are large and quite devestating.
Be wise in your descision making.

Remember, nothing MUST happen, nothing is NECESSARY, we don't NEED change, but we do WANT it.
It is very important to not get NEED confused with WANT.

[KC]

as long as they are shut out from outside ideas, no american would even think about going against their government.

Do you think the revolution is going to happen in the next 10 years? Because it sure sounds like you think that.


They truly feel that the federal government is spreading freedom and justice because freedom to them means right wing freedom.

Stop talking about how they feel now. How they feel now doesn't matter.


as things change in the rest of the world, the ammount of shit coming out of the government and the media will intensify and people will believe it just like iraq.

Not when they're getting screwed over economically.


american mentality will never change as long as capitalists control the government and flow of information and ideas.

Yes it will. Once Americans start getting paid less for their work, they will start to care. Regardless of what the government tells them.



Americans are more concerned with whats gonna happen on Desperate Housewives, then with politics (pathetic!)


Now, yes. In 20 or 30 years, no.



But there will be revolution in Latin America, and Venezuela is leading the way
I think Bolivia will be next, led by Evo Morales and MAS

Then you are wrong.



Its only a matter of time fellaz.... biggrin.gif

Here you're correct. However, the implementation of long-term socialist states is not a way towards communism.


I should have said "here and now".
The revolution exists already within the borders of the consciousness of the here and now.
Many modern people, especially the young, have already realized the possibility of revolution (in a mass political sense), still others have realized the reality of active revolution (a personal, spiritual, individual political sense).
It is within them that the revolution exists already.
The fact that we are talking about it right here and now shows that it already exists.

It merely exists as an idea. Just as how it has existed since Marx's time.



Some one says "hey, we could be better than this, and this system is holding us back..."
They've realized their potential.
"Let's knock down this building and get rid of that king and live our lives according to these rules instead of those..."
they know what they want and they know how to get it.

This hasn't happened yet. It won't happen for many years. The revolution isn't here.



How can you say you are for a revolution and then turn around and say it is not available or impossible to attain fufillment of?

Because it isn't here yet.



I was speaking in spiritual terms as well as political and social when I spoke of consciousness and evolving into something more than we are now.

Then you are a fool.



If you want things to be different, you must change them yourself.
No one will do it for you.
The revolution begins when you stand up and say it does.

The revolution begins when the masses stand up for themselves. This cannot happen with merely one individual, or one group of individuals. Saying "we can do anything if we put our minds to it" is horribly reactionary.


I say it has no begining, it has no end, we're in it now, here it is before us, we can either not be apart of it or activate our will in any direction we so choose.

You are being overly-philosophical. I find it hard to take you serious.

[I Watch The Watchers]

I think this question is almost impossible to answer. By what criteria are we to determine this? Does the continuing dissatisfaction of minorities, the poor, and the leftist movements mean that there will be a revolution? I don't know but we have been dissatisfied for quite a while.

And I actually think there is less outrage against the american government (in general) among its citizens now then there would have been in the 1960's. Feminists and minorities have been given slightly larger pieces of the pie and that has satisfied many people who would otherwise become revolutionary. Of more importance is that it LOOKS to most people like everyone in America is equal.

As for a revolution rising out of the ashes of an exhausted capitalism, I'm not sure what of the world will be left once capitalism fails. With visible signs of Peak Oil appearing we can see that resources necessary to any form of industrialization are on the decline. If capitalism falls when the oil runs out and we don't have alternatives in place the revolution will either freeze to death or starve along with most people on earth. And as for a "utopia after the fall" we should take into account that a world without oil will be in decline for hundreds of years and may not stabilize for a millennium. Even then, the earth's population is expected to decrease to about 2 billion people, as that is our natural carrying capacity without industrialization.

I personally believe that a revolution needs to happen within our minds as a society (here in North America). The vast majority sees no need for revolution and I expect we would not have much support if we were to attempt one (no matter how well organized we were). I think we should work on educating average people in postindustrial societies. The need for revolution is not obvious to people unaware of the specifics of capitalism or its global effects (both human and environmental).

I don't, however think that a revolution within our life times is impossible. It just depends on being ready when the right circumstances present themselves. At that time it should be obvious that revolution is needed. Until then I will preoccupy myself with educating the people around me through words, writing, film, music, and art.

ps, incompetant rulers and resource shortages are great starting points for revolution.

[Noah]

Reading this post there are some people who believe a Revolution will come in a matter of time, what makes you say this?

[KC]

With visible signs of Peak Oil appearing

Peak oil is a joke.


Reading this post there are some people who believe a Revolution will come in a matter of time, what makes you say this?

The evolution of the capitalist system.

[hippieofsorts]

Originally posted by Che [email protected] 8 2005, 07:45 PM
as long as they are shut out from outside ideas, no american would even think about going against their government. They truly feel that the federal government is spreading freedom and justice because freedom to them means right wing freedom. as things change in the rest of the world, the ammount of shit coming out of the government and the media will intensify and people will believe it just like iraq. american mentality will never change as long as capitalists control the government and flow of information and ideas.
I am a young american close to entering college, and have recently come to realize that the government is full of shit. In fact I used to rather conservitive until a few years ago when i realized the error of my ways and of course i now feel that our society in america has been falling apart for a long time. I feel that not much could really even save our society except a political revolution. Being a pacifist i am against a violent revolution and believe that a violent revolution would probably just lead to another ineffective and probably oppressive military state.

My point is that there are people in america who are more aware of whats going on around them then just whats on tv. Many of us are young and idealistic. I think it will only take a small group of inspriational leaders to show the people what is really going on and we could gain popular support and use the democracy of the U.S. to affect change.

This may be an over simplification of things, I am still really forming my ideals. But i think it could be done if only the public could be educated. I am not sure, however, if a revolution of the magnitude needed could be accomplished without violence.

[Tekun]

Venezuela, things are in place, Chavez and his reforms...

Bolivia, Evo Morales is the leader of the indigenous ppl, which comprimise 55% of the population, and are fed up with the constant attacks against them by the gov

He placed second in a previous election, and any day now, they'll win control over the country, with the help of Venezuela Bolivia will bcome a socialist state

[KC]

Venezuela, things are in place, Chavez and his reforms...

Highlighted for emphasis.



He placed second in a previous election, and any day now, they'll win control over the country, with the help of Venezuela Bolivia will bcome a socialist state

Which will degenerate into a capitalist one (unless the revolution happens before this can happen).

[Gura]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 12:31 AM
He placed second in a previous election, and any day now, they'll win control over the country, with the help of Venezuela Bolivia will bcome a socialist state
The US has supposedly begun military practice operations in Paraguay near the border so that in the event that Morales does win the election he will not be in power for long.

[wet blanket]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 10:29 PM
Reading this post there are some people who believe a Revolution will come in a matter of time, what makes you say this?
The same thing that makes religious people say that christ will return...

faith

[Sickle of Justice]

there won't be a revolution. I say this because all the communist revolutionaries sit around in this forum. i havn't once turned on the news to see a brave band of guerrilla's battleing with the u.s. army. i am a pacifist, but i think we need to fight the government NOW. if you want a revolution START ONE. i would, but i live in a fairly liberal country so i simply try to move it left in a peaceful way.

If u mean a reform, then the answer is still the same, if u want it, u gotta work for it. isn't that what communism is all about?

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by Sickle of [email protected] 10 2005, 06:49 PM
there won't be a revolution. I say this because all the communist revolutionaries sit around in this forum. i havn't once turned on the news to see a brave band of guerrilla's battleing with the u.s. army. i am a pacifist, but i think we need to fight the government NOW. if you want a revolution START ONE. i would, but i live in a fairly liberal country so i simply try to move it left in a peaceful way.

If u mean a reform, then the answer is still the same, if u want it, u gotta work for it. isn't that what communism is all about?
First of all, the time is not right.

Second of all, "you're a pacifist but think "someone" needs to fight the Army"?

Quit contradicting yourself and saying the same thing that has been said a thousand times before.

We're not "Communist Revolutionaries". We're merely thinkers and Communists, not Che Guevara's. The time for Class Revolution may not be here yet. Sit tight, Collectivism is inevitable. Once Capitalism has evolved to its Highest Stage (Rabid Imperialism.. yes, it sounds like now, but wait til later.. it will get Worse. Way worse. Think1984), then the people will be fed up, and revolt in one way or another. Communism will come along eventually on the Historical timeline, don't worry.

[Unity85]

i have read every bodys post who decided to write and u pacifist dont realy know what u want. u want to see brave people fight to end the capitalism that plages this world but u wont fight for it, and to every body else we need a mordern icon to look up to to make the people open there eyes and to see the world with out there rose colored glasses. we need a robin hood to be the forunner of this revolution. to free this great land some one that takes from the rich and privilaged and gives to the poor and downtroden that is who we need to help make this revolution work and to bring peace to the world. and unify humanity for all times.

[Rasta Sapian]

If America moves a little bit closer to the left, ie. pre-communist liberal Russia, in combination the masses and peasent proles would have to be educated to some degree and inspired by a political leader a revolution could be possible.

The unions would have to get stronger and work with the government, America has such a clash of classes that a pivot does seem more possible than other mostely european countries that are already leaning leftist liberals.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Where'd you get that U.S.S.A comic? Do you have acess to more?

[Gnosis]

It merely exists as an idea.

"Merely" an idea? Without the idea that something is possible, then what is possible?
Without the idea that things can change, then what conscious change will occur?
Without the idea that things are already in the process of changing, then how does change occur, by chance?
Are we supposed to pretend that the only real part of the revolution is the part which is the actual transition from one stage to the next?
Is not the stage before and the stage which follows the transition one with that transition?
Are not cause and effect the same event?
I believe there is not one revolution, there are many revolutions of one wheel which shall turn forever so long as we as a species exist and strive to be the best we possibly can.


This hasn't happened yet. It won't happen for many years. The revolution isn't here.

It has happened before, it will happen again, and its happening now.
Many years?

WAKE UP!

Get your head out of that hole, open your eyes, look around you!

Don't you see it?

Your war is every where, either start fighting, start speaking the truth from a more completely developed perspective, or work harder on seeing this because it is every where and it is shocking to hear some one say it is not here and won't be for any period of time.


Then you are a fool.

I am a fool for speaking my mind and applying a combined social, spiritual, and political opinion to everything I said?
Maybe so, but does not speaking in the ways I have make you any less of a fool than I am?


The revolution begins when the masses stand up for themselves. This cannot happen with merely one individual, or one group of individuals. Saying "we can do anything if we put our minds to it" is horribly reactionary.

Who are the masses if not many individuals?
Every individual counts, the more individuals the bigger the mass.
The masses are a group of individuals, nothing more.

I believe you seriously misjudge the effectiveness of one person standing up, articulating an idea, and then being supported by every one else as a sort of mouth-piece personification made manifest.


You are being overly-philosophical. I find it hard to take you serious.

You have a hard time taking me seriously because you do not understand reality from the same view point as I do.
Thats okay, it is not necessary for you to agree with me or understand where I am coming from.
I may be overly philosophical from your point of view, but that point of view may not be true for others and it is certainly not true for me.

If you dont understand something, and you have no urge to understand it, then it is not for you and you should focus on other things instead.

If you want to understand better the ideas I am putting out here, ask me questions and I will surely answer honestly and thouroughly.

I am "philosophical" by nature, and I will not aplogize for that fact.

[tiger]

That wont happen, atleast not in the U.S. Too many "others". Maybe in the future, perhaps after a big catastrophe that would turn everything upside down...

I just see the National Guard open fire and thats it... Most of the people must support a revolution. Then perhaps?

[anomaly]

It is very impractical to talk of any 'revolution' in the USA. That talk is moving us backwards. Now, orthodox Marxists will not like this, but we must look for revolution where there is a revolutionary spirit. This is not in the USA, but rather in the underdeveloped nations of the world. What reason do the people of the USA have to revolt? None. But what reason do the people of Africa, or Latin America, have to revolt? Many, many reasons! I have said it before, Latin America is ripe for revolution. Whether this revolution will produce communism is up to the Latin Americans.

[KC]

It is very impractical to talk of any 'revolution' in the USA. That talk is moving us backwards. Now, orthodox Marxists will not like this, but we must look for revolution where there is a revolutionary spirit. This is not in the USA, but rather in the underdeveloped nations of the world. What reason do the people of the USA have to revolt? None. But what reason do the people of Africa, or Latin America, have to revolt? Many, many reasons! I have said it before, Latin America is ripe for revolution. Whether this revolution will produce communism is up to the Latin Americans.

The only reason these people are in need of revolution is because as you have said, they are underdeveloped nations. Third world revolution only develops the country in which it happens. This is not how a communist revolution will take place. A communist revolution will take place first in the most developed countries because they will be the first to feel the economic pressure. America right now is sitting comfortably on top of the world. Why? Because of underdeveloped nations giving the American companies cheap labor. Once these countries develop farther, these companies will have nowhere to go for cheaper labour. They will have to start cutting wages to compete with other companies. From here, the individual will feel it. This is when a communist revolution will happen. When people realize what is wrong with capitalism.

[Hiero]

America right now is sitting comfortably on top of the world. Why? Because of underdeveloped nations giving the American companies cheap labor

That makes the third world the proleteriat to the US, and the US the bourgeois.


A communist revolution will take place first in the most developed countries because they will be the first to feel the economic pressure

People in the 3rd feel the pressure every day. You belittle the people of the 3rd world and their struggle as if they are just robots giving labour and have no thoughts on their own. The peasants and workers of the 3rd are in direct conflict with the US ruling class, they have motive and will gain from revolution.

When capitalism developed into it's imperialist form that it is in today, class oppression went global. It is the western ruling class who expliot the labour of the proleteriat of the 3rd world. By moving manufacturing jobs over seas a middle class grow that indirectly play a middle man in controling the means of production.

It is now in the 3rd world were there is revolution. In the US they couldn't even vote out Bush. You really think the richest nation with the largest middle class who benifit from imperialism are more revolutionary then 3rd world workers on more then half the wage of first world workers? History has shown people in the 3rd world who are in direct conflict with the imperialist are first to have revolution. You are a complete ignoramus they way you think Americans feel the pressure of capitalism over the peasants and workers in the 3rd world. And you are a fool if you think the 3rd world has to wait around for the US revolution to come save them.

When the US loses its neo-colonies then the US will have motives to begin to reopen their manufacturing industry and collectivise.

[Tekun]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 03:26 AM
It is very impractical to talk of any 'revolution' in the USA. That talk is moving us backwards. Now, orthodox Marxists will not like this, but we must look for revolution where there is a revolutionary spirit. This is not in the USA, but rather in the underdeveloped nations of the world. What reason do the people of the USA have to revolt? None. But what reason do the people of Africa, or Latin America, have to revolt? Many, many reasons! I have said it before, Latin America is ripe for revolution. Whether this revolution will produce communism is up to the Latin Americans.
Mos definitely, the poverty in Latin America and Africa is forcing many of its citizens to look for an answer

Im tellin u, Haiti....Haiti.... :hammer:

Pacifism?
You can't seperate peace from freedom, because no one can be at peace unless they have their freedom

[Gnosis]

Revolution in America is not impractical!

I am living in America and I see every reason for change.

I am transformation made manifest, do not deny me or my brothers and sisters our power!

We will revolt in relation to each other, neither one is more important because importance is not measured.

Everything is important.

I do not consider myself an American, but here I am in Massachusetts, sitting at my fukin computer which I did not buy but money made real.

I am trapped here in America and I know it and it is driving me mad!

I AM THE REVOLUTION!

[The Grey Blur]

America shows no signs of moving towards a revolution; the Iraq situation, working-class dissatisfaction + Hurricane Katrina was possibly the weakest point of the American political and military system since Vietnam and no-one took advantage of it as far as I can see - most certainly not socialists anyway.

[norwegian commie]

USA goerment has brainwashed the people.
with their movies and media, the have written the world history.
In my school book it says not one good thing about communism, and eksplaynes all the ways capitalism is superior too communism.

Norway is USA s little brother and will bee so to the revelution days comes.
My point is everything that a common man reads about communism and acts of USA i wring and misleading. espesially in countries as Norway

[Chocobo]

The radical revolution that may arise in America will not be soon. The american society is so controlled and convicted to its media, history, and politics that if any form of resistance were to arise there would be immediant reactionary response. The prole's of America are no better; because of reforms and such the exploiters blinded and kept control of the workers and their true strength. When capitalism makes an acknowledged mistake, and burns a whole in its sheath of ignorance, only then will the people be able to revolt.

[Inviction]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2005 12:07 am
No, the third world countries will have to revolt first. The Venezuelan Revolution needs to spread to the rest of Latin America. Then the time will come for industrialized nations to revolt.
Yes, that's true. Currently, the revolutionary fervor is in the Third World, while the First sits back and bathes in its own surplus of blood-stained capital.

[Joby]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2005 12:07 am
No, the third world countries will have to revolt first. The Venezuelan Revolution needs to spread to the rest of Latin America. Then the time will come for industrialized nations to revolt.
My views exactly.

America is the beast holding the whip. It will be converted last.

[Joby]

Originally posted by Zampanò@October 08, 2005 06:06 pm
No it won't. These people will be the first to feel the effects of capitalism as it dies.
seriously. If you have $60,000 in assets (house, car, etc), hen you're in the top 5% of the worlds wealh. America is the top of the pyramid, and it will take the rest to crumble before the temple of money worshipping falls.

Almost all of america is the upper class when it comes to the world, myself included. The lower class we have are really just imports meant to keep prices down. America will convert last.

[Comrade_Scott]

we cant say yes and we cant say no.. revolutions can happen at any time and be started by the smallest things. read up on caribbean history protests and revolts have happend over the smallest things. all we can do is prepare and keep ready

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 10:21 pm
The radical revolution that may arise in America will not be soon. The american society is so controlled and convicted to its media, history, and politics that if any form of resistance were to arise there would be immediant reactionary response. The prole's of America are no better; because of reforms and such the exploiters blinded and kept control of the workers and their true strength. When capitalism makes an acknowledged mistake, and burns a whole in its sheath of ignorance, only then will the people be able to revolt.
Why the fuck did you bring this thread back?

[freakazoid]

Since it has been revived, I think that the more probable way that there will be a succesful revolution in the US will be when the TEOTWAWKI event comes. Which I believe will be an economic collapse. I think I have said it before but it needs repeating. Everything here is based on oil. If something was to happen to the oil supply, be it do to weather or a terrorist attack. If that was to happen then gas prices would shoot up really high. If that was to happen then prices of and other things would also go up because it costs money to ship them. And it will just snowball from there which will eventually result in another kind of depression. Then if there are any communist/anarchist militias, hence the need to create them now, will a revolution be possible.

edit - also I think that this will ocure in our lifetime. Are you prepaired?

[Cheung Mo]

The U.S. isn't even ready to accept that the world is 4.5 billion years old and that humanity evolved a few hundred thousdand to a few million years ago rather than being placed on the Earth by some mentally demented Sky Fairy within the past 10,000 years ago, so we can forget about a Revolution.

[rotten liberal]

countries like venezuela need to revolt before any industrial country does, as said by an earlier poster. any time soon? no.

[groundinghubris]

wow I know how hated we are, but never realized how little most people know of the american people.
will there be one? yes soon? yes

nothing to do with economics but something we hold much higher--freedom. we have lost control of our government openly now, so many more see the truth.
the average american does not want closed borders, we do not support religious idealogoy above all else, we do not believe in our government nor support anything it is doing.

be ready for big surprise. we will be the ones who lead the revolution. yet, i doubt anyone will hear of it until we win. if we lose, it will be shown as a small radical group that were following some insane leader, as usual.

[Red Tomato]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2005 07:35 pm
Not yet. Be patient, it will happen.
in a while, but yes, america needs a revolution.