Inevitability of Communism

[Luís Henrique]

In another forum, someone brought the issue of Communists believing Communism is inevitable. So, what do you think about the issue?

Luís Henrique

[Intifada]

First of all, I edited the poll.

Second of all, I believe that Communism is indeed inevitable.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 08:11 PM
First of all, I edited the poll.
Thanks, it was really a mess... :(

[Zingu]

If social progression continues, society is pointed in that direction. But, taking in account of nuclear warfare or alien invasion, that would definately change things.

So, any Communist will tell you thats its not "inevitable" but if society continues undisturbed as it does, then man will be motivated, driven by material reality to make changes into that direction.

[Enragé]

the only thing inevitable is death

which is what will happen to humanity if capitalism continues

[marxist_socialist_aussie]

in history and future, nothing is inevitable (a little saying I learned from my historian sister). Now, do I think it is inevitable, not too sure. There are too many forces to say whether it is and, given that the world is yet to see an absolute, true communist government, who is to say. Interesting question however.

[Severian]

If something's inevitable, what need to work or fight for it? So obviously no revolutionary fighter has ever thought communism was inevitable.

And as Rosa Luxemburg wrote:

Friedrich Engels once said: "Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism." What does "regression into barbarism" mean to our lofty European civilization? Until now, we have all probably read and repeated these words thoughtlessly, without suspecting their fearsome seriousness. A look around us at this moment shows what the regression of bourgeois society into barbarism means. This world war is a regression into barbarism. The triumph of imperialism leads to the annihilation of civilization.

How much more true is that today, with the development of nuclear weapons.

We do not have unlimited time. The working class does not have the luxury of missing an unlimited number of revolutionary opportunities.

And many revolutionary opportunities have been missed - many revolutionary movements defeated - due to misleadership and the subjective factor in history. Every missed opportunity for revolution leads to an opportunity for the forces of reaction and facism. Every major defeat for the world working class brings the danger of world war closer.

As the missed opportunities of the German revolutions led to the triumph of Hitler, and the defeats of the European working class led to World War Two.

Humanity, or at least civilization, might not survive a repeat of that cycle. What we do matters for the future of humanity.

[The Feral Underclass]

[I've removed the poll. It's unnecessary and doesn't fit the theory forum.

How did you manage making a poll in here anyway?]

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 6 2005, 08:55 AM
[I've removed the poll. It's unnecessary and doesn't fit the theory forum.

How did you manage making a poll in here anyway?]
I made it in ChitChat. Someone else moved it here.

I want my poll back; if this is not the place for it, then move it to the place it belongs. Chit Chat perhaps?

Luís Henrique

[Intifada]

I moved the thread.

Why not keep the poll?

[Black Dagger]

The poll was very convoluted/confusing/messy IMO.

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 08:41 AM
If something's inevitable, what need to work or fight for it? So obviously no fighter has ever thought communism was inevitable.
I'll admit that the economic side of Marxism is not my strongest suit (though I'm working on it :P ) but my understanding is that communism is inevitable due to the self-destructive forces inherent in capitalism. The drive for ever larger profits will create a proletariat large and conscious enough to overthrow the old order. As far as I'm concerned these are the only conditions in which a revolution can take place in the form predicted by Marx.

All revolutionaries to date have been motivated by the injustices they see around them. They are either not willing to wait until the inevitable or they believed that the times they lived in were the last days of capitalism.

[Black Dagger]

Inevitability of conditions does not equal to inevitability of outcomes, the proleteriat must still transform opportunities into realities, and there is nothing guaranteed about that process.

[OleMarxco]

As things stand now, why not? Not because "dialectial materialism" says so;
But because people are cynic, mad, had enough, and the ship's too close to the sea and the board's too short for a walk in the "wrong direction" for the burgerouise. I don't even give a shit about the artifical uprising of Russia this and that anymore, the PEOPLE is moving in that direction, we're just here to make sure that they know what they're doing and help them on the way to TOSS THOSE PEOPLE OFF THE HOOK ;)