Anarcho-communism,Social Anarchy.

[Loose Noose]

When we talk about anarchy.
Anarchy is flawed for communism and socialism because Anarchism is the idea of no government unless you're talking about chaos from order,order from chaos.and for everything to be done under the leftist ways is that there got to be a form of government.


Tell me how can Communism/Socialism could flourish under anarchy ?

[Donnie]

Communism is a classless stateless society.

Anarchism is one way in order to achieve communism; anyway who said anarchism is chaos?

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by Loose [email protected] 4 2005, 05:19 PM
When we talk about anarchy.
Anarchy is flawed for communism and socialism because Anarchism is the idea of no government unless you're talking about chaos from order,order from chaos.and for everything to be done under the leftist ways is that there got to be a form of government.


Tell me how can Communism/Socialism could flourish under anarchy ?
You have the wrong meaning of Anarchism, Anarchism is just like communism just without the transition period

[Loose Noose]

Originally posted by Skinz+Oct 4 2005, 05:50 PM--> (Skinz @ Oct 4 2005, 05:50 PM)
Loose [email protected] 4 2005, 05:19 PM
When we talk about anarchy.
Anarchy is flawed for communism and socialism because Anarchism is the idea of no government unless you're talking about chaos from order,order from chaos.and for everything to be done under the leftist ways is that there got to be a form of government.


Tell me how can Communism/Socialism could flourish under anarchy ?
You have the wrong meaning of Anarchism, Anarchism is just like communism just without the transition period [/b]
But there no government in anarchism.
and there many forms of anarchism such as Anarcho-Capitalism so how are you sure it's going to lead to communism ?

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by Loose [email protected] 4 2005, 06:01 PM
But there no government in anarchism.
and there many forms of anarchism such as Anarcho-Capitalism so how are you sure it's going to lead to communism ?
There is no Goverment in the end result of Communism either Plus im talking about anarchism not archo-capitalism there is a difference.

[enigma2517]

A lot of people call themselves anarcho-communists to seperate themselves from right libertarians and claim their opposition to capitalism.

Geez these threads get so old.

Read one of the stickies for more information about anarchism.

[Ginger Goodwin]

;)

[bombeverything]

and there many forms of anarchism such as Anarcho-Capitalism so how are you sure it's going to lead to communism ?

Because it is communism. Anarcho-capitalists are not anarchists as they advocate a class system which is impossible without hierarchy.

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 06:20 AM

and there many forms of anarchism such as Anarcho-Capitalism so how are you sure it's going to lead to communism ?

Because it is communism. Anarcho-capitalists are not anarchists as they advocate a class system which is impossible without hierarchy.
That depends on who you talk to. I’ve spoken to a number of anarcho-capitalists (dicks one and all) and they definitely consider themselves to be Anarchists. Naturally I wouldn’t expect anarcho-communists to share the same view but... meh. I’m not going to into the flaws of anarchism (I’ll give that a break for a few days :P ) but I’ve always believed that one of the advantages of the socialist state is that the likes of anarcho-capitalists can be removed before they can inflict any damage on society.

[Black Dagger]

What the fuck can a bunch of pastey 'anarcho-capitalists' do? Their money is means nothing in a post-capitalist revolutionary society, they're finished! And besides, they're not exactly the crusty well-armed revolutionary types. They're all glasses and economics degrees :P I'm more afraid of the Christian Patriots than the anarcho-capitalists.

[Donnie]

Conversely a gentleman named Alexander berkman wrote a book called ABC of Anarchism ( original edition had as a title 'abc of communist anarchism').
In it he expounds on the theory of Anarchist-Communism
That is a good book but if you really want to read something on the ideas and what society would be like in Anarchist Communism then I suggest 'The Conquest of Bread' by Peter Kropotkin.


I’ve always believed that one of the advantages of the socialist state is that the likes of anarcho-capitalists can be removed before they can inflict any damage on society
One of the disadvantages of Leninism is it collapses and reverts back to capitalism after a while. I'm an anarchist communist worker and I have a full knowledge of what needs to be done in the revolution, why do you not accept my full on class consciousness as a worker, after all don't the Leninists echo the words 'The workers can only reach trade union consciousness'?

I say it now and I say it again; we have our system ready and set up and most of the anarchist workers accept what needs to be done in the name of anarchist communism.

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 07:15 AM

I’ve always believed that one of the advantages of the socialist state is that the likes of anarcho-capitalists can be removed before they can inflict any damage on society
One of the disadvantages of Leninism is it collapses and reverts back to capitalism after a while. I'm an anarchist communist worker and I have a full knowledge of what needs to be done in the revolution, why do you not accept my full on class consciousness as a worker, after all don't the Leninists echo the words 'The workers can only reach trade union consciousness'?

I say it now and I say it again; we have our system ready and set up and most of the anarchist workers accept what needs to be done in the name of anarchist communism.
Lets hope we never meet in a revolution :P

I'd ask you again though, how many of the workforce of Britain (I assume that's you) are ready for revolution? Without the vast majority (if not all) of the workers behind you you'll end up sitting around making plans for a revolution that will not come.

[enigma2517]

So if they're not ready, what are you going to do?

Is the collective will power of your precious vanguard going to leap over material conditions and lead us forth to revolution?

When the majority of the people you're leading don't even know what they're doing or why they're doing it?

Look, anarchism relies on grassroots change. When enough people have obtained the class consciousnes required and then demonstrate that by organizing themselves, thats when we know we have the objective material conditions required for a revolution. No amount of "leadership" can skip over that. Ever.

[I Watch The Watchers]

I'm just putting this out there to see what people think because I haven't really done my home work on this yet but is it fair to say that Anarchism is a rejection of the Hobbesian view that humans can only function within a system which dictates their responsibilities and limitations?

[wet blanket]

Originally posted by I Watch The [email protected] 10 2005, 02:10 PM
I'm just putting this out there to see what people think because I haven't really done my home work on this yet but is it fair to say that Anarchism is a rejection of the Hobbesian view that humans can only function within a system which dictates their responsibilities and limitations?
Yes, it would be fair to say that. Individual autonomy is the cornerstone of anarchism.