Venezuela update

[Larissa]

Latest news on yesterday's "battle" in Caracas: 2 dead, 80 injured.

I *knew* something like was bound to happen when they transferred the control of Caraca's metropolitan police back to its putschist mayor, Alfredo Peña, who should have been put in jail since April, when "his" police
protagonized a similar bloodshed.

It's funny: when the Caracas "opposition police" intervenes to "restore order", the ones who end up dead are *always* the opposition demonstrators.

[Nateddi]

Ugh,

I read about the restoration of control of Caracas to the anti-Chávez police thugs from the loyal military. *I've been trying to find out who died (supporters or opponents), would you know that Larissa? *I remember that in the events leading up to the military coup in April, the Caracas elite purpously wrongfully accused linking Joao de Gouveia to supporters of Chávez and to the shooting at opponents, - to Chávez as a murderer and so forth. *Its sickening. *I hope Chávez can restore order in Caracas soon, it's much needed.


¡Viva Chávez y Viva la Revolucion Bolivariana!

[pastradamus]

What I find compleatly fucked up about venezulea is that the whole chavez thing might actually work if people gave it a fucking chance.bah!!!!

[Nateddi]

Quote: from pastradamus on 12:40 am on Jan. 5, 2003
What I find compleatly fucked up about venezulea is that the whole chavez thing might actually work if people gave it a fucking chance.bah!!!!

pa,

The people are giving this a chance, it is the elite which owns everything in Venezuela, including all of the mainstream media that is not giving it a chance. This is not unprecedented, it is natural of democratic sociaism, it is a carbon copy of what happened during the rule of Salvador Allende in the early 70's. Those who lead the "strike", - the businessmen, the bourgeoisie, the elite are sure as hell not going to "give this a chance", why should they?


¡Viva la Revolucion Bolivariana!

[Sirion]

The people have given Chaves a chance by electing him. Hisotry, has however, shown us:

Archieving socialism through democratic election seldom works, either because the bourgeoise refuses to give up their power in society and are backed up by the petty-boureoise.

More often, however, it is stopped by the U$, using whatever means that are required, inclding assasination, torture, propaganda... the list goes on and on (there are a seperate thread running on this).

It is a sad thing, that we in a world where we have so called "democracies" is stopped by force when socialists are given a chance to rule. In my opinion, this confirms what Lenin said: "Democracy today is like democracy in ancient Greece; freedom for the slave owners."

(Edited by Sirion at 11:26 am on Jan. 5, 2003)

[Larissa]

Check this very interesting link (BBC)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2625997.stm

[Larissa]

Chávez was legally elected twice, the second time for a landslide. He rules based on a Constitution approved by a legally elected Congress by a huge majority. This Constitution even provides for a "recall referendum" for the president of the republic at half his term.

You don't like him? Your neighbors don't like him? Half the population thinks he's ruining the country or just hates his hair-style? Easy: say "Go" in June 2003 and he'll go.

Now, where is the auto-coup? I mean, else than in the propaganda-ridden minds of those who believe the East-West fable for the simple-minded? Where's the
need for this blatant attempt to overthrow a legal government else than in desperation for seeing old privileges being shown as they are and for the risk of loosing them?

Come on! Hear what they say. *Look at their pictures*
in the papers. There is not ONE worthy man or woman among the leaders of the so-called "strike". They're Mafia bosses to the last.

[redstar2000]

It's a peculiar situation. Guys like Chavez, Lula, etc. are NOT in any sense socialists or communists.

If anything, they most resemble America's own Franklin D. Roosevelt...people who believe the capitalist order must be made more humane if it is to survive.

But, as few people know, there WAS an attempt by the huge J.P. Morgan trust to foment a military coup against President Roosevelt.

And now, the same thing again. It is my HOPE that Chavez will move SHARPLY against at least the worst of these bastards...surely, the memory of what happened to Allende must be with him.

Dammit, Hugo, put away that stupid plastic jesus and stand up for all the people who've stood up for you!

(A funny note, if true, that I can't definitely confirm: there is a tiny Maoist Party in Venezuela...they SUPPORT the pseudo-strike of the corrupt elite.)

[Pavan Sohal]

lol. There are always tiny maoist guys everywhere. Tupac Amaru probably.

[Larissa]

I just want you to know that last night, (midninght in Argentina, -03:00 GMT) a local TV channel in Buenos Aires was broadcasting (live) Chavez's message (a very clear, precise explanation of the current situation in Venezuela, full of details and facts) and ooopppssssss...

All of a sudden the transmission was "interrupted due to technical problems" shortly after he mentioned the word "Revolution".

[Corvus Corax]

Thats just damn disgraceful, haven't they ever heard of 'free press'.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

It's simple they don't want a left wing goverment in Argentina cause then the private sector will have hell to pay.

[Exploited Class]

aaaannnnd?

You got me hanging here. Did something come of this? Is there any word what happened or what is happening there? Did Chavez announce that he was cut off or the transmission was interupted.