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CubaSocialista
4th October 2005, 15:44
We all knew this was inevitable, but... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=...st_pe/us_cuba_1 (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=5&u=/ap/20051001/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_cuba_1)

Fidel Castro looks like the 79-year-old he is, and the Bush administration has big ideas for Cuba once he departs.

When that day comes, U.S. officials want to leave little to chance about the island nation's political fate. They are prepared to go to some lengths to ensure that the communist system Castro created goes out with him.

It is official U.S. policy to "undermine" Cuba's planned succession from Castro to his brother Raul, 74. Just how that process would unfold is not clear.

"We are looking to support a genuine transition to political freedom for the Cuban people," said Caleb McCarry, the State Department official recently put in charge of transition matters for Cuba.

McCarry, a Republican who spent many years on Capitol Hill as an aide on Latin American issues, declined in an interview to address how the U.S. would carry out its policy on Cuban succession.

McCarry's appointment on July 28, with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice presiding, was one of the few at the department made in front of television cameras.

It gave Rice a platform for denouncing communist rule in Cuba, a stance perceived as a political winner for years among constituencies in South Florida and elsewhere in the U.S.

The appointment of a "transition coordinator" for Cuba arose in a 2004 report to President Bush by the Commission for Assistance to a Free Cuba, led by then-Secretary of State Colin Powell.

The report spells out steps to bring pressure on Castro and provide assistance if and when a democratically inclined leadership takes power.

Bush said upon the report's release: "We believe the people of Cuba should be free from tyranny. We believe the future of Cuba is a future of freedom."

The prospect of political transitions in other countries usually does not merit much attention. Cuba, however, is a special case.

A friendly government in Havana would mean an end to a security headache for Washington that has lasted 46 years.

According to the report last year, not long after Castro's demise, 100,000 tons of food could be purchased quickly and shipped to Cuba.

U.S. charities would be encouraged to create and contribute to a foundation to aid a "Free Cuba." American government officials would carry out a "hands-on needs assessment" as soon as possible. There are detailed plans for upgrading Cuba's health and education system.

The 400-plus page report discusses ways to modernize Cuba's aviation, railroad and maritime infrastructure. It envisions U.S. assistance in holding free and fair elections, fighting corruption and establishing independent trade unions.

Wayne Smith, a Cuba expert and former U.S. diplomat who long has advocated establishing normal U.S. relations with Cuba, said he is outraged by the administration's plan. It is "blatant intervention in the internal affairs of another state," Smith said.

"They talk about how we are going to oversee and facilitate the transition. Who gives us that right?" Smith asked.

The president of Cuba's National Assembly, Ricardo Alarcon, likens the U.S. plan to an annexation or occupation of Cuba. He says the U.S. would regard Cuba "as a piece of land administered by the U.S."

"The whole strategy," Alarcon said in reference to the report, "is getting in forever."

Castro, not surprisingly, debunks the notion that any change is needed in Cuba.

"We had our transition in 1959," he has said, alluding to the year that he took power.

McCarry rejects charges that Washington's assistance plan is a blueprint for U.S. control.

"The offer is not an imposition," he said, asserting that none of the proposed programs would go into place without the consent of the transitional government on the island.

McCarry noted that some of the recommendations in Powell's report already are in effect.

Measures to reduce travel to Cuba by Americans as well as by Cuban-Americans are believed to have reduced the island's dollar income by some $500 million, McCarry said.

TV Marti, a U.S. government broadcasting service to the island, reaches more households in Cuba these days because new technology has been able to partially overcome Cuban jamming, he said.

"We need to give Cubans the opportunity for a different future and better future," McCarry said. "What people lack under the dictatorship is hope. They have to hope there will be a better future."

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On the Net:

State Department: http://www.state.gov

CIA Factbook on Cuba: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/cu.html





So essentially, this is a recommendation to anyone with balls.
Someone please get rid of B.ush's appointees.
I hope this Mc.Carry guy gets a bullet in every conceivable orifice. Imperialist bastard.
Same for G....W....B

bolshevik butcher
4th October 2005, 15:51
So what's new the U$ is talking tough and being hostyle to cuba again, with the aim of wining votes from cubans in florida and raising anti-communist hysteria in middle america again.

fernando
4th October 2005, 15:54
We know the US has planned this for years, what will happen in Cuba when Castro dies? We dont know yet, but I do believe that the Cuban government has made plans.

I believe that also with the new left wing movement in Latin America, Cuba would get more support if the US would try to invade. I think we could assume guerilla movements in these countries might attack US targets when they start their imperialist attack upon Cuba.

bolshevik butcher
4th October 2005, 15:57
Chavez said recently that if the U$ killed him the nlatin america would burn. I have to say that invading cuba would do a similar thing, it would bolster the ranks of soiclaism. The U$ couldnt contain a whole continent.

fernando
4th October 2005, 16:16
I doubt the whole continent would rise...I mean Che Guevara died and not that much happened. I dont think the governments and the majority of the masses would immediatly rebel, however I do think that so called focos would rise up in Latin America, and hopefully throughout the rest of the world.

RedStarOverChina
4th October 2005, 16:32
The only plan Cuba has right now is to have Raul Castro succeed Fidel when he dies...and of course Raul's gonna outlive Fidel by a whopping 30 seconds or somethin.

Urban Guerrilla
4th October 2005, 17:12
What ever happened to Fidel Castro's son? :che:

Loose Noose
4th October 2005, 17:58
Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains.
So lets move to Cuba and fight the system.

fernando
4th October 2005, 18:15
Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 4 2005, 04:43 PM
What ever happened to Fidel Castro's son? :che:
Why does Fidel's son have to take over? Or his brother for that matter...we are talking about a socialist state, not a banana republic or a monarchy.

tatu
4th October 2005, 18:55
Is there anybody here, on this board, who would genuinely want to assist Cuba? Maybe we should travel to Cuba? Seriously.

Loose Noose
4th October 2005, 19:02
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 06:26 PM
Is there anybody here, on this board, who would genuinely want to assist Cuba? Maybe we should travel to Cuba? Seriously.
I just said something like that.

viva le revolution
4th October 2005, 20:23
It is just another threat by the yankees to invade and transform another nation into a colony and outpost of capitalist exploitation. Cuba is a true benchmark in the history of socialist struggle and i have full confidence in Raul Castro, who it seems is more radically marxist than castro. Indeed it was raul and che's influence that influenced castro to adopt communism and transform Cuba into a socialist state.
Cubna deserves all our support, we must denounce and fight the yankee imperialists in whatever grand plan of empire they may have for latin america. The days of the monroe doctrine are numbered.

Urban Guerrilla
4th October 2005, 20:44
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 05:46 PM
Why does Fidel's son have to take over? Or his brother for that matter...we are talking about a socialist state, not a banana republic or a monarchy.
Someone's gotta do something or Cuba will be the American 51st state. I asking about Castro's son, because why would Castro have someone younger besides his ancient brother take his place? Personally, It doesn't matter who does it, but as long as Cuba stays foward with the Revolution :che:

closetcommie
4th October 2005, 20:47
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 03:15 PM
"The offer is not an imposition," he said, asserting that none of the proposed programs would go into place without the consent of the transitional government on the island.
Yeah. The "transitional government" that the U.S. installs. How convenient that they would turn around and give permission. But, giving the average American's curiousity, the conflicts-of-interest will go unnoticed.

We'll send in troops, you all know the routine . . . "They'll only be over there for 90 days," -- it'll just be a "peacekeeping mission," which will of course BLOW UP in this U.S. face, and make the rest of the world (and not to mention native Cubans) hate us even more.

fernando
4th October 2005, 20:51
Originally posted by Urban Guerilla+Oct 4 2005, 08:15 PM--> (Urban Guerilla @ Oct 4 2005, 08:15 PM)
[email protected] 4 2005, 05:46 PM
Why does Fidel's son have to take over? Or his brother for that matter...we are talking about a socialist state, not a banana republic or a monarchy.
Someone's gotta do something or Cuba will be the American 51st state. I asking about Castro's son, because why would Castro have someone younger besides his ancient brother take his place? Personally, It doesn't matter who does it, but as long as Cuba stays foward with the Revolution :che: [/b]
Why would Castro have anybody else? We are talking about a socialist state, not a monarchy, this means that the government isnt made up of the family, it is made out of people who fought in the revolution and/or are skilled enough to lead.

Urban Guerrilla
4th October 2005, 20:58
I'm just saying a bunch of "if's" and "maybe's". I'm saying that if Castro wanted to turn his power over, why not do it to his son instead of his brother, or someone younger (doesn't have to be related to Castro) not someone who fought in the revolution since the late 50's. In a nutshell, i'm saying if he is going to turn his power over to his family why not someone younger instead of his brother :che:

bolshevik butcher
4th October 2005, 21:05
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 03:47 PM
I doubt the whole continent would rise...I mean Che Guevara died and not that much happened. I dont think the governments and the majority of the masses would immediatly rebel, however I do think that so called focos would rise up in Latin America, and hopefully throughout the rest of the world.
Yeh but in che's time the whole continent wasnt enthralled with socialism. The movement is oging fomr strenght to strength all over latin ameirca just now.

Commie Rat
5th October 2005, 08:16
perhaps cuba becoming a protectorate of Vensuela or some sort of de fecto leadership ?????

dont flame me on how Ve. is not a commie country they are as close as we are going to get in the near future

r`n`l
5th October 2005, 12:36
Do you realy think that US can lead another of their blitzkrieg occupation war in south america while deployed in mid-east or somevere else?

Maybe if Britan sends more troops in too and i don`t know Israel maybe?

Their main power is in Atomic weapons and Chemical,Biological and in "hightech" army stories which every child knows now but i don`t think they can have more wars in one time at two places on earth by themselfs

They do have international suport by others too under excuse of dark mean evil terrorists who lurk from every hole you look so when US attack you they just need to say youre a terrorist and thay are doing world a favor ...and brits jump in instantly
Anyway US draft man power from nato countries for their occupation misions but not to much coz it would become plain to see that they are afraid to have so many man power so far linked in a war.
You think they could occupate Iraq while having troops in Bosnia,Kosovo and Afganistan?

I just think that they strenght is overestimated

So i don`t think that they will change anything in south america with force in near future

fernando
5th October 2005, 13:06
Do you realy think that US can lead another of their blitzkrieg occupation war in south america while deployed in mid-east or somevere else?
Who is talking about a blitzkrieg operation? The US wouldnt go with a full military force to Cuba, they would just send the Gusanos back and give some support.


Maybe if Britan sends more troops in too and i don`t know Israel maybe?
Again...no need for a mojor giant military invasion force...so Britian and Israel wouldnt join, they would perhaps sponsor some terrorists or soemthing.


Their main power is in Atomic weapons and Chemical,Biological and in "hightech" army stories which every child knows now but i don`t think they can have more wars in one time at two places on earth by themselfs
Cuba is too close to Florida to deploy those weapons.


They do have international suport by others too under excuse of dark mean evil terrorists who lurk from every hole you look so when US attack you they just need to say youre a terrorist and thay are doing world a favor ...and brits jump in instantly

The US would have to pull the Vietnam trick here, faking an attack to get support...but the US doesnt need support to pull shit!


Anyway US draft man power from nato countries for their occupation misions but not to much coz it would become plain to see that they are afraid to have so many man power so far linked in a war.
You think they could occupate Iraq while having troops in Bosnia,Kosovo and Afganistan?

The US would install another regime, no occupation force, simply another military dictator with Gusano troops...


I just think that they strenght is overestimated
It isnt...they have other ways of fighting...not all their wars have to be like Iraq.


So i don`t think that they will change anything in south america with force in near future
I hope you're right...

r`n`l
5th October 2005, 14:46
yes well i just gave my opinion about force attack of us to overthrow anyone after Castro or instal someone in their intrest and my opinion is also that they would try some other way(not using Iraq way) but i`m sure they`ll give their best to make Cuba follow their intrest and that will be a problem. But i think Castro himself is aware of that and some action plan exist to prevent that ...i hope anyway

Karl Marx's Camel
5th October 2005, 15:05
Is there anybody here, on this board, who would genuinely want to assist Cuba? Maybe we should travel to Cuba? Seriously.
Okay, how old are you? It's not a rhetoretical question. I am curious.

I can imagine something like:

The Foreign Brigade for Safeguarding Cuba's Independence.



Again...no need for a mojor giant military invasion force...so Britian and Israel wouldnt join, they would perhaps sponsor some terrorists or soemthing.

I would imagine some US marines assisting the gusanos. But perhaps it is not likely, as it would be a risky mission for the US.


But to those who know. Is it true that Castro has "indicated" that Raul would take his seat?

fernando
5th October 2005, 15:44
No Castro hasnt mentioned this I think. I do think that Castro and the Cuban government have a backup plan on what to do when he dies, probably let a younger generation rule or something in those lines. Perhaps Raul would try to take the power but Im not sure.

omegaflare
5th October 2005, 16:14
Ill tell you though, that if that happens this board will grow immensly

Tekun
7th October 2005, 08:19
Fidel's got one last trick up his sleeve
I think he's got everything ready for when he dies, I mean, the man's an intellectual who led a successful revolution
He's prolly got a younger successor waiting in the wings, who will mos definitely receive support from Venezuela

As far as Bush and Rice (sally hemmings) are concerned, I think they better think twice about doing anything to Cuba
An entire continent of Latin American guerillas who fight for socialism are ready to defend the sovereignty of Cuba
After all, Cuba assisted them during the socialist movements

And if all else fails and the US imperialists did invade, I'd take a trip to Guatemala (my homeland)
Then from Guatemala, I'd travel to Cuba by sea or air, anything to help the Cuban revolution of 59

I rather die fighting, than die in a nursing home :lol:

Nothing Human Is Alien
7th October 2005, 08:22
Cuba released some things on this a while ago when it became known..

This is one of the better ones, a speech:

Statement by the National Assembly of People's Power of the Republic of Cuba (http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/cppstatement.html)

Check it out.