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Angry Young Man
4th October 2005, 13:17
hello. i am a nu user 2 the forum. im chairman mick. ne1 got ne tips on how 2 understand 'das capital'? how long b4 the capitalist system collapses? :cuba:

OleMarxco
4th October 2005, 16:17
Hey, I see so. Perhaps you should speak without'rose number's in yo text, it's gettin' annoyin' al-rea'rey...So, you're the "chairman", aye? Mick, Sorry, I 'spose I am fer'e bringin'rose new's to ye here, but if that means ye're an Authitorian, you'd have hard time protectin' yourself from the management here, ironicly enough ;)

As fer'e "Das Kapital" (Yes, K - not C - it's Deutsch, y'know!) I suggest trying to look at it in a non-complicated way. When I read it, I thought..."Meh, it's not that un-simple!" ~~ It's just as comparin' two store's to each-other, look, and think; Why is that valued just as much as that, etc., etc., and why this goods-money-goods-fetish? F.eg I saw once, a small "button" for political symbols costed 10 NOk (Norwegian 'Kroner', yes, I'mma Norwegian) and so did a "Ice Cofee" aswell as a Newspaper! Kind off odd, but that's Marx's point, and it is still true, ipso factos. And money-good-money transfer is shares, I figured, and good-money-good is buying/selling, I thought.

As fer'e collapse o'ris system...perhaps tomorrow, or not in this generation! Who the hell knows? When the oil run's out, I 'spose, ye Cuban nationalist! :marx:

Angry Young Man
4th October 2005, 18:51
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 03:48 PM
Hey, I see so. Perhaps you should speak without'rose number's in yo text, it's gettin' annoyin' al-rea'rey...So, you're the "chairman", aye? Mick, Sorry, I 'spose I am fer'e bringin'rose new's to ye here, but if that means ye're an Authitorian, you'd have hard time protectin' yourself from the management here, ironicly enough ;)

As fer'e "Das Kapital" (Yes, K - not C - it's Deutsch, y'know!) I suggest trying to look at it in a non-complicated way. When I read it, I thought..."Meh, it's not that un-simple!" ~~ It's just as comparin' two store's to each-other, look, and think; Why is that valued just as much as that, etc., etc., and why this goods-money-goods-fetish? F.eg I saw once, a small "button" for political symbols costed 10 NOk (Norwegian 'Kroner', yes, I'mma Norwegian) and so did a "Ice Cofee" aswell as a Newspaper! Kind off odd, but that's Marx's point, and it is still true, ipso factos. And money-good-money transfer is shares, I figured, and good-money-good is buying/selling, I thought.

As fer'e collapse o'ris system...perhaps tomorrow, or not in this generation! Who the hell knows? When the oil run's out, I 'spose, ye Cuban nationalist! :marx:
im not really authoritarian, its just that ''democracy'' in the sense of votin for your leader gave way to adolf hitler and even worse margaret ''horrible ***** who deserves to be scourged then pist on, then sent down a pit for a bitter sense of poetic justice'' thatcher!!
democracy is about takin into account the needs of the people and acting on it, not putting the country into disrepair.
ps. as long as there is a vote, there is always going to be a right-wing party, and with the state britain's in, there is no left party as new labour has sold out the workers.
what are the political parties of norway, or if anyone else reads this, their country? :hammer:
ps what are rose numbers?

Lord Testicles
4th October 2005, 19:06
Hi welcome.


ps what are rose numbers?

He sayed 'rose numbers meaning those numbers.

we also need democracy just direct democracy not what we have now, communism isnt about dictatorship

Angry Young Man
4th October 2005, 19:14
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 06:37 PM
Hi welcome.


ps what are rose numbers?

He sayed 'rose numbers meaning those numbers.

we also need democracy just direct democracy not what we have now, communism isnt about dictatorship
last time i did political compass, i was l/r: -9.6 l/a -8
i didnt deny that we need peoples' democracy, but i dont believe in the vote because some people are stupid enuf to read the sun and vote tory, who will completely ignore the working classes' needs. i think that every1 shud be educated to the same high standard and if you have enuf money to send your child to public school, pay the same into the local state skool.
why cant you get a lenin icon to click?

bunk
4th October 2005, 19:30
Margaret Thatcher managed to stay in because of the first past the post system in Britain. That system is not a full democracy

Angry Young Man
4th October 2005, 20:28
does any 1 rekn therell be a marxist-leninist state in britain or international communism in the whole world. i think that america will collapse economically and give birth to a world wide revolution.
about the 1st past post system:
the tories wouldve won anyway cos the they always win the womens' vote, and they make up more than 1/2 of the electorate.

Lord Testicles
4th October 2005, 20:31
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 07:59 PM
about the 1st past post system:
the tories wouldve won anyway cos the they always win the womens' vote, and they make up more than 1/2 of the electorate.
Now how'd you work that out?

closetcommie
4th October 2005, 20:37
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 07:59 PM
i think that america will collapse economically . . .
Well, that's something that'll probably happen within all of our lifetimes!

Zeruzo
4th October 2005, 21:05
[QUOTE=OleMarxco,Oct 4 2005, 03:48 PM]
what are the political parties of norway, or if anyone else reads this, their country? :hammer:
in the netherands you have:

CDA (lijst 1) (christian democrats)
LPF (lijst 2) (right-wing populists)
VVD (lijst 3) (european neo-liberals)
PvdA (lijst 4) (social democrats)
GroenLinks (lijst 5) (Green 'left-wing' liberals)
SP (lijst 6) (socialist party)
D66 (lijst 7) ('left-wing' liberals)
ChristenUnie (lijst 8) ('left-wing' christian democrats)
SGP (lijst 9) (right-wing christian fundamentalists)
Leefbaar Nederland (lijst 10) (semi-populist right-wing)
De conservatieven.nl (lijst 11) (conservatives)
NCPN (lijst 12) (marxist-leninists, some of you might label them 'stalinist')
Duurzaam Nederland (lijst 13) (i have no idea...)
PvdT (lijst 14) (sex drugs 'n rock & roll party)
PvdD (lijst 15) (some animal-hugging party)
Lijst-Ratelband (lijst 16) (sex drugs 'n rock & roll party)
VIP (lijst 17) (no idea)
AVD (lijst 18) (no idea)
Lijst Veldhoen (lijst 20) (no idea)

the rest isn't worth mentioning...

Hegemonicretribution
4th October 2005, 21:18
In the wonderful Isle of Man there are individual representitives, but no parties. There is a tendency towards conservative socialism :huh: ?? almost. That is low/nil business tax, cheap investment, anything that makes the place good for offshore finance. Yet there are monopolies on local industries, such as bread...baked at the local bakery flour from the local mill.

OleMarxco
4th October 2005, 23:18
Originally posted by chairmanmick+Oct 4 2005, 06:22 PM--> (chairmanmick @ Oct 4 2005, 06:22 PM)
[email protected] 4 2005, 03:48 PM
Hey, I see so. Perhaps you should speak without'rose number's in yo text, it's gettin' annoyin' al-rea'rey...So, you're the "chairman", aye? Mick, Sorry, I 'spose I am fer'e bringin'rose new's to ye here, but if that means ye're an Authitorian, you'd have hard time protectin' yourself from the management here, ironicly enough.

As fer'e "Das Kapital" (Yes, K - not C - it's Deutsch, y'know!) I suggest trying to look at it in a non-complicated way. When I read it, I thought..."Meh, it's not that un-simple!" ~~ It's just as comparin' two store's to each-other, look, and think; Why is that valued just as much as that, etc., etc., and why this goods-money-goods-fetish? F.eg I saw once, a small "button" for political symbols costed 10 NOk (Norwegian 'Kroner', yes, I'mma Norwegian) and so did a "Ice Cofee" aswell as a Newspaper! Kind off odd, but that's Marx's point, and it is still true, ipso factos. And money-good-money transfer is shares, I figured, and good-money-good is buying/selling, I thought.

As fer'e collapse o'ris system...perhaps tomorrow, or not in this generation! Who the hell knows? When the oil run's out, I 'spose, ye Cuban nationalist!

I'm not really authoritarian, its just that ''democracy'' in the sense of votin for your leader gave way to adolf hitler and even worse margaret ''horrible ***** who deserves to be scourged then pist on, then sent down a pit for a bitter sense of poetic justice'' thatcher!!

democracy is about takin into account the needs of the people and acting on it, not putting the country into disrepair.

ps. as long as there is a vote, there is always going to be a right-wing party, and with the state britain's in, there is no left party as new labour has sold out the workers.
what are the political parties of norway, or if anyone else reads this, their country. ps what are rose numbers?[/b]

"Not really", just happen to be, eh?....
Thas'right, jus'what they ALL say....bring it on...
AND YOU THINK VOTING HAS MADE MARGARET THATCHER - FIRST AND FOREMOST WORSE THAN HITLER UP IN POWER!? YOU HAVE NO FUCKIN' IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! I admit I don't like Thatcher's ultra-conservative bool-shyte either, but, hey, HITLER ACTUALLY KILLED PEOPLE. A -bloody facist. It's the other way around :blush:

Okay, okay, I've calmed down'ere. That was just an harmless outburst of your ignorance, mr. "Chairman Mike". You really want to be the "Next Joe", huh, as our
gone-fellow RedStar said, eh? As fer'e your logic, gun's have given way to alot of dictator's too, should we ban'em, too? Sure, we need to have a democracy - for the people, not against their need's. And "disrepair" - Well, as Interplay (The maker's of my favourite game, "Fallout") say's - if it ain't broken, DON'T REPAIR IT. That doesn't go for Capitalism, 'tho. It's not -VISIBLY- broken, but it work's -IN THE WRONG WAY-. Get it, heh? Whaddya age?

Feh'sho, and with're right-wing party - THEIR LIES. Seducin're public...and now..they've got so much power, they've CORRUPTED THE LEFT INTO THEIR BASTARDED IMAGE. Fuck new labour, yup! You've kinda updated on this, yesh! As for political parties of Norway, good you asked, atleast my country is...as follows:

HV - The Ultimate Right Party (A very small National "Socialist"-Party)
FrP - Far Right Party (Populist - The 'Advance' Party)
Høyre - Modest Right-Wing Party (Meaning, literally 'The Right'')
KrF - a "Light Right"-Party (Christian Folk's Party!) with heavy christian over-tones...
KP - A centrum party with a few right-leaning policies. Fisher's and Coast-People's Party...
SP - A party with no strong draggin's towards either side of the spectrum.
Previously, named the BP. Now is the Centrum-Party, BP meant Farmer's Party.
Venstre - A "social liberal" party. A party for me - that was SLIGHTLY tempting to take, at one time, when I was WEAK...BUT...they're too "wishy washy" for me. A centrum-party that's slightly left-leaning. Small, but growing.
EtG - Envirnoment Party (The GREENS). I have respect for these, but, they're under-represented and care only for tree's. However, I like nature more than inhuman city-block's, allright! "Miljø Partiet, De Grønne".
LP/AP OUR LABOR PARTY. Very important - but they're currently allied with a centrum party, SP, and, good enough, SV...socialist-leftist party, more left than them. I hope they don't go "new labour", too! They are more left than "Venstre", but not as heavy as SV and RV.
SV - Socialist-Leftist party, led by the egnimatic and charisma-filled Christin Halvorsen. I like her, she's a bit pompeus and repetive at times, but, she's all in the "brech". For free school-food and a good education/health-function. I dig her, she even calls her friends "comrades". Heheheh! But she's not far left enough...for..
RV - It's -THE- left party. HEAVY left. ULTIMATE, but just as the HV, which ironicly enough mean's white election-alliance, this RED election-alliance is small too, but luckily enough, not as small as them, hehehe. Go the red's! :D

I hope you're happy now....

Angry Young Man
5th October 2005, 12:15
Originally posted by Skinz+Oct 4 2005, 08:02 PM--> (Skinz @ Oct 4 2005, 08:02 PM)
[email protected] 4 2005, 07:59 PM
about the 1st past post system:
the tories wouldve won anyway cos the they always win the womens' vote, and they make up more than 1/2 of the electorate.
Now how'd you work that out? [/b]
because my history lecturer told us that if women didnt get the vote, there wouldntve been a tory govt since 1945, which is ironic considering the tory lords kept blocking it!

Angry Young Man
5th October 2005, 12:17
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 08:36 PM

[QUOTE=OleMarxco,Oct 4 2005, 03:48 PM]
what are the political parties of norway, or if anyone else reads this, their country? :hammer:
in the netherands you have:

CDA (lijst 1) (christian democrats)
LPF (lijst 2) (right-wing populists)
VVD (lijst 3) (european neo-liberals)
PvdA (lijst 4) (social democrats)
GroenLinks (lijst 5) (Green 'left-wing' liberals)
SP (lijst 6) (socialist party)
D66 (lijst 7) ('left-wing' liberals)
ChristenUnie (lijst 8) ('left-wing' christian democrats)
SGP (lijst 9) (right-wing christian fundamentalists)
Leefbaar Nederland (lijst 10) (semi-populist right-wing)
De conservatieven.nl (lijst 11) (conservatives)
NCPN (lijst 12) (marxist-leninists, some of you might label them 'stalinist')
Duurzaam Nederland (lijst 13) (i have no idea...)
PvdT (lijst 14) (sex drugs 'n rock & roll party)
PvdD (lijst 15) (some animal-hugging party)
Lijst-Ratelband (lijst 16) (sex drugs 'n rock & roll party)
VIP (lijst 17) (no idea)
AVD (lijst 18) (no idea)
Lijst Veldhoen (lijst 20) (no idea)

the rest isn't worth mentioning...
id vote for this party if i was dutch:
PvdT (lijst 14) (sex drugs 'n rock & roll party)

Angry Young Man
5th October 2005, 12:18
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 08:49 PM
In the wonderful Isle of Man there are individual representitives, but no parties. There is a tendency towards conservative socialism :huh: ?? almost. That is low/nil business tax, cheap investment, anything that makes the place good for offshore finance. Yet there are monopolies on local industries, such as bread...baked at the local bakery flour from the local mill.
how is low/ nil tax socialist in any way apart from tax cuts to the severely poor?

Angry Young Man
5th October 2005, 12:21
Originally posted by OleMarxco+Oct 4 2005, 10:49 PM--> (OleMarxco @ Oct 4 2005, 10:49 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 06:22 PM

[email protected] 4 2005, 03:48 PM
Hey, I see so. Perhaps you should speak without'rose number's in yo text, it's gettin' annoyin' al-rea'rey...So, you're the "chairman", aye? Mick, Sorry, I 'spose I am fer'e bringin'rose new's to ye here, but if that means ye're an Authitorian, you'd have hard time protectin' yourself from the management here, ironicly enough.

As fer'e "Das Kapital" (Yes, K - not C - it's Deutsch, y'know!) I suggest trying to look at it in a non-complicated way. When I read it, I thought..."Meh, it's not that un-simple!" ~~ It's just as comparin' two store's to each-other, look, and think; Why is that valued just as much as that, etc., etc., and why this goods-money-goods-fetish? F.eg I saw once, a small "button" for political symbols costed 10 NOk (Norwegian 'Kroner', yes, I'mma Norwegian) and so did a "Ice Cofee" aswell as a Newspaper! Kind off odd, but that's Marx's point, and it is still true, ipso factos. And money-good-money transfer is shares, I figured, and good-money-good is buying/selling, I thought.

As fer'e collapse o'ris system...perhaps tomorrow, or not in this generation! Who the hell knows? When the oil run's out, I 'spose, ye Cuban nationalist!

I'm not really authoritarian, its just that ''democracy'' in the sense of votin for your leader gave way to adolf hitler and even worse margaret ''horrible ***** who deserves to be scourged then pist on, then sent down a pit for a bitter sense of poetic justice'' thatcher!!

democracy is about takin into account the needs of the people and acting on it, not putting the country into disrepair.

ps. as long as there is a vote, there is always going to be a right-wing party, and with the state britain's in, there is no left party as new labour has sold out the workers.
what are the political parties of norway, or if anyone else reads this, their country. ps what are rose numbers?

"Not really", just happen to be, eh?....
Thas'right, jus'what they ALL say....bring it on...
AND YOU THINK VOTING HAS MADE MARGARET THATCHER - FIRST AND FOREMOST WORSE THAN HITLER UP IN POWER!? YOU HAVE NO FUCKIN' IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! I admit I don't like Thatcher's ultra-conservative bool-shyte either, but, hey, HITLER ACTUALLY KILLED PEOPLE. A -bloody facist. It's the other way around :blush:

Okay, okay, I've calmed down'ere. That was just an harmless outburst of your ignorance, mr. "Chairman Mike". You really want to be the "Next Joe", huh, as our
gone-fellow RedStar said, eh? As fer'e your logic, gun's have given way to alot of dictator's too, should we ban'em, too? Sure, we need to have a democracy - for the people, not against their need's. And "disrepair" - Well, as Interplay (The maker's of my favourite game, "Fallout") say's - if it ain't broken, DON'T REPAIR IT. That doesn't go for Capitalism, 'tho. It's not -VISIBLY- broken, but it work's -IN THE WRONG WAY-. Get it, heh? Whaddya age?

Feh'sho, and with're right-wing party - THEIR LIES. Seducin're public...and now..they've got so much power, they've CORRUPTED THE LEFT INTO THEIR BASTARDED IMAGE. Fuck new labour, yup! You've kinda updated on this, yesh! As for political parties of Norway, good you asked, atleast my country is...as follows:

HV - The Ultimate Right Party (A very small National "Socialist"-Party)
FrP - Far Right Party (Populist - The 'Advance' Party)
Høyre - Modest Right-Wing Party (Meaning, literally 'The Right'')
KrF - a "Light Right"-Party (Christian Folk's Party!) with heavy christian over-tones...
KP - A centrum party with a few right-leaning policies. Fisher's and Coast-People's Party...
SP - A party with no strong draggin's towards either side of the spectrum.
Previously, named the BP. Now is the Centrum-Party, BP meant Farmer's Party.
Venstre - A "social liberal" party. A party for me - that was SLIGHTLY tempting to take, at one time, when I was WEAK...BUT...they're too "wishy washy" for me. A centrum-party that's slightly left-leaning. Small, but growing.
EtG - Envirnoment Party (The GREENS). I have respect for these, but, they're under-represented and care only for tree's. However, I like nature more than inhuman city-block's, allright! "Miljø Partiet, De Grønne".
LP/AP OUR LABOR PARTY. Very important - but they're currently allied with a centrum party, SP, and, good enough, SV...socialist-leftist party, more left than them. I hope they don't go "new labour", too! They are more left than "Venstre", but not as heavy as SV and RV.
SV - Socialist-Leftist party, led by the egnimatic and charisma-filled Christin Halvorsen. I like her, she's a bit pompeus and repetive at times, but, she's all in the "brech". For free school-food and a good education/health-function. I dig her, she even calls her friends "comrades". Heheheh! But she's not far left enough...for..
RV - It's -THE- left party. HEAVY left. ULTIMATE, but just as the HV, which ironicly enough mean's white election-alliance, this RED election-alliance is small too, but luckily enough, not as small as them, hehehe. Go the red's! :D

I hope you're happy now.... [/b]
thatcher directly ruined britain, and though hitler ruined germany, if it wasnt for wwII, there wouldve been no welfare state

Angry Young Man
5th October 2005, 12:30
whats the press like in other countries? all the british press is rt-wing, which obviously sux! there's:
THE SUN-aimed at the working class, raping their minds with anti-socialist views, thus increasing their ignorance that we need to wash them of;
THE DAILY HATE-MAIL- aimed at snooty middle-class housewives who have no idea of real life.
there's more, but i cant be arsed!