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IMNALIEN
4th October 2005, 02:38
I have always wondered, and spent hours of thinking about this at work. I'm sorry if this sounds stupid or send this to the proper threat to be posted or for an answer.

when che and the cubans were captured why were they killed. I know it sounds obvious and maybe stupid. But did the Americans not think there would be any concsequences if one of the highest levels of the cuban government was murdered at their control. Because the Americans had just as much of a say as did the bolivians.

I know at the time the relationships of che, fidel, cuba, the soviets, and the chinese had some tension between them. why didnt the bond that the socialists had, deter the americans from murdering him.

It just seems to me that fidel didnt care enough when che died...i dunno....i just think the power that socialist had with the soviets miltary and their nuclear capabilities..i dunno.....im just frustrated.

What I'm trying to say is why didn't they strike the US. I would have declared war if I was in charge of a country, and my fellow revolutionary was murdered......che would have too i bet.

sorry for rambling on.......any help me with any part of this would be appreciated

RedStarOverChina
4th October 2005, 03:23
The FBI wanted him to stay alife
but the Bolivians thought they might as well kill him.

fernando
4th October 2005, 09:24
There was a movement called the Che Guevara Brigade, they attacked those who were linked to Che's death. However Im curious why people such as Regis Debray and Felix Rodriguez would still be alive today though...

metalero
4th October 2005, 22:29
However Im curious why people such as Regis Debray and Felix Rodriguez would still be alive today though

Regis Debray was a french revolutionary who joined the bolivian expedition. he was doing intelligence work in the city, but was captured. He spent 2 years in prison, but was eventually released after the fall of Barrientos regime.
About Felix Rodriguez, he was the CIA gusano agent in charge of Che capture



when che and the cubans were captured why were they killed. I know it sounds obvious and maybe stupid. But did the Americans not think there would be any concsequences if one of the highest levels of the cuban government was murdered at their control. Because the Americans had just as much of a say as did the bolivians.

I know at the time the relationships of che, fidel, cuba, the soviets, and the chinese had some tension between them. why didnt the bond that the socialists had, deter the americans from murdering him.

It just seems to me that fidel didnt care enough when che died...i dunno....i just think the power that socialist had with the soviets miltary and their nuclear capabilities..i dunno.....im just frustrated.

What I'm trying to say is why didn't they strike the US. I would have declared war if I was in charge of a country, and my fellow revolutionary was murdered......che would have too i bet.

Che and his comrades were executed since the Military dictatorship backed by the CIA wanted to show results to the world to undermine the revolutionary uprisings going on in latinamerica. If Che was kept alive the progressive world community probably had influenced for his liberation.
Cuba was going through many threats and a direct armed confrontation wit US would have been fatal due to the early development of the revolutionary process.
Castro was a close friend of Che, he didn't want Che to go into guerrilla action in Bolivia(since he considered him prominent figure in the revolutionary movement and the mission was too risky), but Che was decided to take the cuban example of armed insurrection and spread it himself all over south america.
Not only Che was killed; there has been hundreds of Cuban murdered by the the reactionary terrorism sponsored by washington, and there are actually 5 cuban anti-terrorist heroes held unfairly as political prisioners in US. www.freethefive.org

fernando
5th October 2005, 10:39
Regis Debray was a french revolutionary who joined the bolivian expedition. he was doing intelligence work in the city, but was captured. He spent 2 years in prison, but was eventually released after the fall of Barrientos regime.
About Felix Rodriguez, he was the CIA gusano agent in charge of Che capture
Regis Debray however was the one who confirmed that Che Guevara was in Bolivia...he also made a compromise with the Bolivian military, only to fire his lawyer when he published that (it was ignored though)

So the Che Guevara Brigade should have targeted these two guys as wel right?

Colombia
5th October 2005, 18:59
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 02:19 AM
But did the Americans not think there would be any concsequences if one of the highest levels of the cuban government was murdered at their control.
Che broke off from the Cuban government and had no "official" affiliation with the Cuban government. So that answers your question.

metalero
5th October 2005, 23:48
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 10:20 AM

Regis Debray was a french revolutionary who joined the bolivian expedition. he was doing intelligence work in the city, but was captured. He spent 2 years in prison, but was eventually released after the fall of Barrientos regime.
About Felix Rodriguez, he was the CIA gusano agent in charge of Che capture
Regis Debray however was the one who confirmed that Che Guevara was in Bolivia...he also made a compromise with the Bolivian military, only to fire his lawyer when he published that (it was ignored though)

So the Che Guevara Brigade should have targeted these two guys as wel right?
Perhaps Debray did that, but remember he was kept imprisoned for 2 years, probably he was tortured or forced to speak to say where Che was. I don't think he betrayed Che. The real traitor was a member of the Bolivian Comunist Party, some guy by last name Monje, following USSR dislike of guerrilla tactics in Latinamerica.

I don't what ever happened to this worm Felix Rodriguez...

Gura
6th October 2005, 00:09
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 02:19 AM
It just seems to me that fidel didnt care enough when che died...i dunno....i just think the power that socialist had with the soviets miltary and their nuclear capabilities..i dunno.....im just frustrated.

What I'm trying to say is why didn't they strike the US. I would have declared war if I was in charge of a country, and my fellow revolutionary was murdered......che would have too i bet.

Nuclear war would have been suicide. The Soviet Union would not have gone along with any such plan to strike back at the US for the assassination. Secondly, Castro would have had to be really stupid to even think of starting any kind of war, and especially a nuclear war, over one death.

fernando
6th October 2005, 09:29
Originally posted by metalero+Oct 5 2005, 11:29 PM--> (metalero @ Oct 5 2005, 11:29 PM)
[email protected] 5 2005, 10:20 AM

Regis Debray was a french revolutionary who joined the bolivian expedition. he was doing intelligence work in the city, but was captured. He spent 2 years in prison, but was eventually released after the fall of Barrientos regime.
About Felix Rodriguez, he was the CIA gusano agent in charge of Che capture
Regis Debray however was the one who confirmed that Che Guevara was in Bolivia...he also made a compromise with the Bolivian military, only to fire his lawyer when he published that (it was ignored though)

So the Che Guevara Brigade should have targeted these two guys as wel right?
Perhaps Debray did that, but remember he was kept imprisoned for 2 years, probably he was tortured or forced to speak to say where Che was. I don't think he betrayed Che. The real traitor was a member of the Bolivian Comunist Party, some guy by last name Monje, following USSR dislike of guerrilla tactics in Latinamerica.

I don't what ever happened to this worm Felix Rodriguez... [/b]
Debray told the army Che was in Bolivia right after he was captured, this was waaaaay before Che was captured. However later on he and also the Cuban government moved the blame practically fully to Ciro Bustos. So while Debray climbs higher up in politics and becomes "Castro's man in Europe", Bustos gets thrown in the garbagepile of history.

And as what happen to Felix...well he is still making money and wanted to have his book filmed or something...

And true the Bolivian communists also set them up, backing out of the movement "secretly"...