William Bennet and the Aborting Black babies quote

[Lardlad95]

I'm not saying that crime rates among blacks is not an issue that needs to be adressed...all I'm saying William bennet is an idiot. Why? Because any person who isn't mildly retarded knows that making such a statement is going to create a shit storm or massive proportions. So even if people are misquoting him he deserves to catch some heat for being so stupid.

My other problem is with his statment and it's relation to crime. He chooses to ignore the other areas of society that also have crime rates. People between the ages of 15-25...if you really want to end crime get rid of them. Or the fact that men commit more crimes then women...why not get rid of them? Or how about the fact that poverty is a major source of crime...lets get rid of poverty.

[quincunx5]

No. Get rid of minimum wage laws. You while find employment of ages 15-25 will shoot up significantly, predominately among blacks.

Poverty can not be gotten rid off - it can only be spread about.

[Phalanx]

Could you explain why this would help? Poverty also could be stopped, but the rich CEO's don't want to see their nice mansions in gated communities gone.

[quincunx5]

Could you explain why this would help? Poverty also could be stopped


Being able to work is beneficial.

Poverty can not be stopped by redistribution, it can only be spread about that way.



but the rich CEO's don't want to see their nice mansions in gated communities gone.


They don't have to stop living there. Wealth is not fixed. More people can live in a mansion, and most people can live in a decent home.

BTW, the CEO is still a worker whose salary is determined by supply and demand.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 08:53 PM
No. Get rid of minimum wage laws. You while find employment of ages 15-25 will shoot up significantly, predominately among blacks.
I vote the above for the stupidest idea ever.

[quincunx5]

You are against working?

You are for spreading poverty?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Minimum wage laws so not stop people working, nor do they encourage poverty (If anything they should do the opposite)

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 08:53 PM
No. Get rid of minimum wage laws. You while find employment of ages 15-25 will shoot up significantly, predominately among blacks.

Poverty can not be gotten rid off - it can only be spread about.
.......okay let me get this strait. To reduce poverty, you propose blatant slavery?

[Amusing Scrotum]

.......okay let me get this strait. To reduce poverty, you propose blatant slavery?

Yes he does, but he'll tell you he proposes absolute freedom. Go figure. :huh:

[Ele'ill]

Forget the 15-25 demographic, focus on the ones that will soon become the 15-25 demographic. Schooling is important.

[Master Che]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 08:53 PM
No. Get rid of minimum wage laws. You while find employment of ages 15-25 will shoot up significantly, predominately among blacks.

Poverty can not be gotten rid off - it can only be spread about.
Thats pretty stupid. Not only will everyone get less money.

[Hodgeh]

*bump*

The Bennet quote was taken out fo context.

For the record, Bennet was hypothetically discussing a theory put forth in a best selling book from this past summer, "Freakonomics" (surely you've heard of it).

Anyways, the basic idea is that crime rates are down because abortion rates are up. Personally, I think that crime rates being lower is do to many other reasons, and not solely to black women getting more abortions and keeping poor, fatherless black boys off the street.

Why the media jumped all over Bennet's ass over this is beyond me, if you read the full transcript of his show, you will hear him clearly express that the ideas he will discuss are purely hypothetical and do not reflect his personal opinions or those of his sponsors/employers. I guess freedom of speech only applies to literature... :rolleyes:

[truthaddict11]

Originally posted by redcanada+Oct 3 2005, 12:11 PM--> (redcanada @ Oct 3 2005, 12:11 PM)
[email protected] 2 2005, 08:53 PM
No. Get rid of minimum wage laws. You while find employment of ages 15-25 will shoot up significantly, predominately among blacks.

Poverty can not be gotten rid off - it can only be spread about.
.......okay let me get this strait. To reduce poverty, you propose blatant slavery? [/b]
so you would rather have people live off of a crippling welfare system than work and earn a wage. make these people get jobs that will reduce crime and lower poverty.

[truthaddict11]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 08:02 AM

Why the media jumped all over Bennet's ass over this is beyond me, if you read the full transcript of his show, you will hear him clearly express that the ideas he will discuss are purely hypothetical and do not reflect his personal opinions or those of his sponsors/employers. I guess freedom of speech only applies to literature... :rolleyes:
people do on both the left and the right, they take a point or something said by someone, no matterif it was hypothetical a figure of speech, ect, manipulate it for thier benefit.
example Michael Moore, he manipulates points and views to express his own agenda in his movies and to be fair you can say the same for the far right radio show hosts out there

[quincunx5]

Minimum wage laws so not stop people working, nor do they encourage poverty (If anything they should do the opposite)


They don't stop people from working for themselves.

But they do discourage one to work for another.

If one cannot produce something at or above the minimum wage then they will simply not work. This encourages poverty.

There is no firm or any individual who will hire someone to produce less than what they are paid. That would lead to depletion of wealth.

There is only one agency who has no problem losing money it doesn't have to begin with:
Government.

You may say it should do the opposite but it never did and never will.



.......okay let me get this strait. To reduce poverty, you propose blatant slavery?


The only kind of slavery that exists is when one takes from a productive person and hands it over to a not-so-productive person. This is called welfare.



Thats pretty stupid. Not only will everyone get less money.


What will happen is that some will get more money, and the majority will get none. That is what minimum wage laws do. That's why they are so popular among the labor unions.

Get rid of it and more people can earn whatever money they can produce by their own labor.
Prices will come down and life will be more affordable, despite a lower nominal wage.



Yes he does, but he'll tell you he proposes absolute freedom. Go figure.


Makes perfect sense to a thinking person. Economic freedom is a freedom indeed.

[Xvall]

so you would rather have people live off of a crippling welfare system than work and earn a wage. make these people get jobs that will reduce crime and lower poverty.

No, we'd just rather not have people working for one dollar an hour.

[Dizz]

Do me a favor and drive through western Baltimore on a weekday and you'll see how much black kids 18-25 want to improve their situation. I see these people almost every day and it irritates the shit out of me knowing that they get handed free money through welfare, and thanks to the section 8 housing they live in rent is only like 70 dollars a month. Take all that away from people, so that they're forced to make a concious effort to be something. I hate watching the news here (in Washington DC, nicknamed Chocolate City) because everyday I get to hear someone tell me that because they're black that its harder for them, which in a sense is true, but is it "the mans" fault that you couldnt finish high school, smoked too much chronic, and stole things? Don't give me that shit. If I'm too lazy to do something, I'll say I'm too lazy to do something. I won't pawn that shit off on someone else and say I'm being unjustly profiled.

[Andy Bowden]

Britain has instituted a (albeit pathetic) minimum wage and has not seen the drastic levels of unemployment Libertarians have predicted. If anything, the wages of a Million or so underpaid workers have gone up.

[quincunx5]

Britain has instituted a (albeit pathetic) minimum wage and has not seen the drastic levels of unemployment Libertarians have predicted. If anything, the wages of a Million or so underpaid workers have gone up.


No kidding. Having a minimum wage below lowest market wages will not lead to unemployment.

Having that kind of minimum wage is pointless. Should that minimum wage be zero, you'd have the same effect.

Having minimum wages set above base market wages will, no doubt, lead to unemployment.

[Hiero]

Regardless of what you do to the mininum wage, the biggest problems there is no jobs in these black communities. These communities were once prospers in the mid 20th centuary, then the changes in technology and the world economy made it more profitable and easy for US ruling class to move these industries away from the US cities.

So changing wages in industries and buisness that arent in the black community is pointless. The goal is to move buisness and industry into the black communities. Everything else is just empty pointless talk.

[Freedom Works]

You move business into the communities by offering them freedom from regulation and oppression.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by Freedom [email protected] 6 2005, 12:44 PM
You move business into the communities by offering them freedom from regulation and oppression.
As soon as they got the freedom to move international, they left. They only way you could them to come back under more freedom for the ruling class in the economy would be to reducde the poor black communties to third world status so they would work for third world wages. This is never going to happen because people like to be treated equal with other workers.

It would cause more problems and would not reduce crime. Such low wages would still ause people to invest in the drug economy.

[quincunx5]

It would cause more problems and would not reduce crime. Such low wages would still ause people to invest in the drug economy.


Hello? He said no regulation and oppression.

You can't really invest in something that is as dirt cheap as drugs.



the biggest problems there is no jobs in these black communities. These communities were once prospers in the mid 20th centuary, then the changes in technology and the world economy made it more profitable and easy for US ruling class to move these industries away from the US cities.


What are you talking about? Urban housing projects? You date to call these areas prosperous?

[quincunx5]

It would cause more problems and would not reduce crime. Such low wages would still ause people to invest in the drug economy.


Hello? He said no regulation and oppression.

You can't really invest in something that is as dirt cheap as drugs.



the biggest problems there is no jobs in these black communities. These communities were once prospers in the mid 20th centuary, then the changes in technology and the world economy made it more profitable and easy for US ruling class to move these industries away from the US cities.


What are you talking about? Urban housing projects? You date to call these areas prosperous?

[Hiero]

You can't really invest in something that is as dirt cheap as drugs.

I am talking about thoose youth who find more money in drugs then poor paid dehumanising jobs. Maybe i shouldn't of used the word invest.

It is also wrong to say that drug economy is dirt cheap, youth can make double or tripple in one day then at one day at a low wage job.



What are you talking about? Urban housing projects? You date to call these areas prosperous?


In many of the poverty stricken areas in the US, they were once filled with industrial jobs wich brought high employment. With this a growing small buisness grew. Then these industries left for cheaper markets, so the small buisnes sector collapsed. Thoose who could leave, left. In come places white people left and black people moved in. In others there were already black people, and thoose black people with a bit of money left and they were replaced with poorer black people.

I'm not saying this is the case for every city, but this is the history for many poor places in the US.

[RedCeltic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 04:03 PM
No. Get rid of minimum wage laws. You while find employment of ages 15-25 will shoot up significantly, predominately among blacks.

Poverty can not be gotten rid off - it can only be spread about.
What year is it over there where you are? Over here its 2005 yet reading your post I imagine that we must be speaking through a time warp and you are in 1905, having a minimum wage is very beneficial to corporations and to the survival of capitalism as a whole.

Realize that minimum wage laws are not progressive laws. Meaning that it’s a set amount and once as cost of living is raised minimum wages can only be raised through lobbying government meaning that minimum wage will always be well below the average cost of living.

Also realize that raising the minimum wage affects other wage levels so while over half of the people earning minimum wage or less are under 25 statistics for individuals earning more than minimum wage but less than a living wage ($10 in the North East) are much different.

Another way that raising minimum wage benefits corporations is that while an immediate increase may cause some weaker companies to suffer from an inflated overhead, it has been statistically proven that minimum wage increases places more disposable capital into the hands of the target consumer market. (The middle class). Therefore raising the minimum wage stimulates the economy in a more effective way than tax cuts for the rich.

Yet perhaps the most profound way that minimum wages help capitalism is by protecting it from civil unrest. Back in the days before minimum wages inequality was blatantly obvious. There was no progressive income tax so the rich were VERY rich. Most working class people worked 12 – 16 hour days and every household relied on the income of every able bodied person in order to survive. That includes children from a very early age. Radical thought in the United States was also in its “glory days.” The United States was able to protect capitalism from the rise of a revolution partly due to the red scare, but most effectively by social reforms such as child labor laws and minimum wage laws.

As for the comment about aborting black babies would reduce crime... it is a misunderstanding of the dynamics of the situation. The issue is class and not race. Chris Rock’s children for example are much less likely to join a street gang than a poor kid in the inner city. Race has little to do with it.