General Strike!

[AK47]

The world can't wait (An anti Bush Org) Has called for a general strike on Nov 2nd 2005. [email protected] lists.worldcantwait.org. Crowd the streets! Get in the face of those who profit from this totalitarian fascist regime! Spread the word! Walk off your jobs! Leave your schools! This regime will not leave without a fight! Be the change you want to see!

NOV 2ND 2005. Let it be a day that will not be forgotten!

[bezdomni]

I want to see how this turns out.

I bet nobody will do it because nobody thinks anybody else will do it.


Plus, every flyer for this I have seen looks like it was written by a 14 year old with an attitude problem.

The Bush Regime leaves 2008. We shouldn't rebel against the Bushites as much as we should capitalists in general.

The strike should be anti-capitalist and pro-socialist. That is how progress would be made. Bush will just be replaced by another masquerading fascist.

[BOZG]

The consciousness and mood for a general strike generally doesn't exist so it's pointless to call for it.

[Clarksist]

That silly Bob Avakian, trying to get people to leave their jobs and schools to get out a publicly elected officials. Instead, maybe he should help organize a way to get poor people free food and a free home, or open people's minds.

Walking out because people hate who America voted for is pointless, he's not going to step down because of it.

[BOZG]

Ah, I see, the RCP is running this one. Not surprising. They really are jumping on this "Christian fascist" campaign.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

The strike isn't going anywhere, here in Hartford there havent been any flyers or anything. I for one am in the process of looking for a job.

--Paz

[RedStarOverChina]

at least they are trying. See, this is why I like Avakian. Who cares about what he says---whoever can manage to make a noise deserves my respect.

[bcbm]

This campaign is a joke. They (officially) have no plans about what will happen once the Bush regime leaves. Because they know it won't, or because they want to institute some fucked up RCP dictatorship, who can say. Either way, it seems like a big waste of time and all of the energy directed into this campaign would be much better directed at actually working on alternative structures in the present so we can start lessening the power the state and capital have over us.

[Nachie]

Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 6 2005, 12:45 AM
all of the energy directed into this campaign would be much better directed at actually working on alternative structures in the present so we can start lessening the power the state and capital have over us.
Thank you!

[Sabocat]

I don't think anyone has deluded themselves into thinking that this campaign will actually bring the end to the Bush regime.

I think the real point is to get people talking about alternatives to the system currently in place here. It's a great opportunity to meet people and possibly remove the stigma attached to the word "Communism"

But your probably right. It probably makes more sense to sit here on the internet "preaching to the choir" instead. :rolleyes:

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 04:02 AM
I don't think anyone has deluded themselves into thinking that this campaign will actually bring the end to the Bush regime.

I think the real point is to get people talking about alternatives to the system currently in place here.
No, the real point is veiled support to the Democrats.

Otherwise, why target just one of the rulers' twin parties?

Also, to call for a general strike when you're not going to get one, is the act of political charlatans.

If the RCP actually had some influence among workers, and got a few people to strike, it would accomplish nothing but getting the more militant elements fired. Fortunately, they don't.

[Sabocat]

So any protestation of the current regime is implicit support of Democrats?

:lol:

[Severian]

Any call for removing Bush at present is, yes. Since his removal today won't result in a workers' and farmer's government tomorrow. Nobody thinks that's possible that quickly.

Similarly, anyone who supported Clinton's impeachment was aiding the Republicans. 'Course, among "socialists", only Christopher Hitchens did, since there's no pressure on the left to adapt to Republicans, and nothing to be gained by it.

There is, in contrast, a great deal of pressure on the left to adapt to the Democrats, and most of the left always has. Since the '30s, at least.

[BOZG]

I'm pretty much with Severian of this. Secondly, the RCP's analysis of the Bush regime as fascist demands that it advocated bourgeois parties like the Democrats as being a lesser evil than a fascist organisation. Regardless, their analysis of the Republican party as fascist is incorrect.

Secondly, in relation to the point that Severian made about calling for a general strike only serving to get militant members fired, it would also result in an absolute demoralisation of their membership and supporters, when they see that their call is unheeded. And this applies to an absolute huge number of organisations who advance the call for actions that have no support whatsover. The subjective factor of the consciousness for anyone sort of political action, whether it be for a general strike or the formation of a new union or party must always be taken into consideration. Many militant activists can be completely run down and become disillusioned if they see that the working class is not ready to listen them and can often result in a pessimistic attitude about the ability of working class people to take action. This has been very obvious in a number of the more radical splits away from the traditional trade unions, where some conscious workers have recognised the need for a militant trade union but fail to take into account that the mass or even a sizable minority of workers have not reached the same conclusions. Such actions can only lead to a burn out of those militant workers and a set back to the militant left.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

To be fair.. if you check out the campaign they also are saying that Bush shouldn't be replaced with any democrats either if he is ousted.. I personally like the Communist League & Detroit Working Peoples Association's joint statement on this..

On a side note, the FPM, along with 500 other groups is throwing it's full support behind the Nationwide Strike being called for on December 1st, the 50th anniversary of Rosa Parks' sparking of the civil rights movement.

"No School, No Work, No Shopping!"

Mass March on Wall Street..

"We must turn our outrage over Katrina into a movement"

Website (http://www.troopsoutnow.org)

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Oh wow.. I was just browsing the RCP's new paper for the week and look what I found:


People will and should come at November 2 from many different views and with many different objectives. In our view, the ultimate goal of this movement cannot and should not be a return to the previous liberal consensus which, we must emphasize again, rested on the foundation of terrible imperialist plunder. The point must be to go forward--to resolve these murderous social contradictions through a socialist revolution, led by the re-envisioned communism of Bob Avakian. Such a revolution would carry forward the best impulses and values of the ‘60s, in the only way that can truly be a step toward emancipating humanity. (See online at revcom.us/chair_e.htm)

http://rwor.org/a/017/dangerous-illusions-bush-regime.htm

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 07:56 PM
Oh wow.. I was just browsing the RCP's new paper for the week and look what I found:


People will and should come at November 2 from many different views and with many different objectives. In our view, the ultimate goal of this movement cannot and should not be a return to the previous liberal consensus which, we must emphasize again, rested on the foundation of terrible imperialist plunder. The point must be to go forward--to resolve these murderous social contradictions through a socialist revolution, led by the re-envisioned communism of Bob Avakian. Such a revolution would carry forward the best impulses and values of the ‘60s, in the only way that can truly be a step toward emancipating humanity. (See online at revcom.us/chair_e.htm)

http://rwor.org/a/017/dangerous-illusions-bush-regime.htm
Gee, I wonder why they don't publicize that little bit on the WCW main web page? Hmm.


But your probably right. It probably makes more sense to sit here on the internet "preaching to the choir" instead.

Yeah, because that's clearly what everyone was saying, right? :rolleyes:

[Sabocat]

Yeah, because that's clearly what everyone was saying, right?

Actually, as usual, no one is actually saying anything other than broad vagaries. It's all so very predictable that whenever one group has an actual plan of action, other tendancies condemn it as irrational, mis-timed, destructive, etc.

But out of curiosity, I'm interested in how you actually plan to accomplish "actually working on alternative structures in the present so we can start lessening the power the state and capital have over us."

What's your action plan? When does that start? Where can we all go to help? Where do you plan on doing this first? Is it possible to bring about these changes without raising the class consciousness among the working class first? How are you going to address that?

[bcbm]

Actually, as usual, no one is actually saying anything other than broad vagaries. It's all so very predictable that whenever one group has an actual plan of action, other tendancies condemn it as irrational, mis-timed, destructive, etc.

True. But in this case, I think its more than warranted. I don't want to live in the RCP States of America.


But out of curiosity, I'm interested in how you actually plan to accomplish "actually working on alternative structures in the present so we can start lessening the power the state and capital have over us."

I'm glad you asked!


What's your action plan? When does that start?

It isn't much of an action plan, at least not in the traditional sense. I think we need to start setting up alternative structures such as community gardens and neighborhood/building associations and use them to gain more autonomy over our lives. This can start right now, just start talking to your neighbors. They may be apathetic, but maybe not. People tend to be more concerned with the local than the international, so use that. None of this is concrete, but its a start. Granted, it may be a bit difficult for the younger chaps out there.


Where can we all go to help?

Your neighbors, your friends?


Where do you plan on doing this first?

I'll do it here, you do it there?


Is it possible to bring about these changes without raising the class consciousness among the working class first? How are you going to address that?

I think it's entirely possible. If anything, these things would help raise class conciousness.

[Sabocat]

True. But in this case, I think its more than warranted. I don't want to live in the RCP States of America.

I would agree and also have no interest in the RCP. As I stated however, I think that it is STILL a good place to get the word out that there are alternatives. Much like the famous Che picture, I think these demonstrations can act as an impetus for people do look more deeply into what is being said out there.



It isn't much of an action plan, at least not in the traditional sense. I think we need to start setting up alternative structures such as community gardens and neighborhood/building associations and use them to gain more autonomy over our lives. This can start right now, just start talking to your neighbors. They may be apathetic, but maybe not. People tend to be more concerned with the local than the international, so use that. None of this is concrete, but its a start. Granted, it may be a bit difficult for the younger chaps out there.

Community gardens would do very little to feed very many people especially in the inner city where there may be no workable land at all. Even if there is some green space for a "community garden" there is a chance these days of its real estate value being prohibitively high to buy, and impossible to just take over. I would say the same problem would exist with community building projects. While projects like these are a nice charitable offerings, they do little to actually change ideological thinking on a large scale.


I think it's entirely possible. If anything, these things would help raise class conciousness.

If so, it would be on a very small scale. There is also a serious chance of it aiding the existing power structure by alleviating some small scale poverty. You know the saying..." A hungry man is an angry man"