Abort Black Babies to Reduce Crime

[Hampton]

Didn't see this posted yet:

http://www.thuglifearmy.com/images/News%20Pics/t.180.bennett.jpg


Addressing a caller's suggestion that the "lost revenue from the people who have been aborted in the last 30 years" would be enough to preserve Social Security's solvency, radio host and former Reagan administration Secretary of Education Bill Bennett dismissed such "far-reaching, extensive extrapolations" by declaring that if "you wanted to reduce crime ... if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down." Bennett conceded that aborting all African-American babies "would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do," then added again, "but the crime rate would go down."

Bennett's remark was apparently inspired by the claim that legalized abortion has reduced crime rates, which was posited in the book Freakonomics (William Morrow, May 2005) by Steven D. Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner. But Levitt and Dubner argued that aborted fetuses would have been more likely to grow up poor and in single-parent or teenage-parent households and therefore more likely to commit crimes; they did not put forth Bennett's race-based argument.

Link. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2005/09/29/conservative-radio-host-b_n_8062.html)

Senator Demands Bennett Apology for Remark


WASHINGTON -- Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid and other Democrats on Thursday demanded that former Education Secretary William Bennett apologize for remarks on his radio program linking the crime rate and the abortion of black babies.

Bennett responded that the comments, made Wednesday on his "Morning in America" show, had been mischaracterized and that his point was that the idea of supporting abortion to reduce crime was "morally reprehensible."

Reid, D-Nev., said he was "appalled by Mr. Bennett's remarks" and called on him "to issue an immediate apology not only to African Americans but to the nation."

Rep. Raum Emanuel, D-Ill., said in a statement, "At the very time our country yearns for national unity in the wake of hurricane Katrina, these comments reflect a spirit of hate and division."

Link. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/29/AR2005092901773.html)

[Latifa]

Can't resist the taste of ethnic cleansing. Mmmm...

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

who appointed this idiot?
edit: Reagan... I should have guessed

[Reds]

Bush most likly wounders why he did not think of this but on a more sirius note any political leader that does not denonce this should be lynchid or at least kicked out of office (which most should be anyway). He was apponted by reagan.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

The best part if that they try to make a partisan issue out of it.. "demand an immediate appology" fuck these people [democrats] trying to look like some 'defenders' of Blacks and other minorities when their party was forged by pro-slavery southerners.

[Reds]

Well he is republican a party founded by anti slavery activists sow looks like were screwed both ways

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I hope you didn't just figure that out now.

[Reds]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 12:39 AM
I hope you didn't just figure that out now.
No, just pointing out a crul irony.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Yeah, because white babies never grow up to be criminals :rolleyes:

[PRC-UTE]

This kind of shit is all over the net these days, sick. Check out what they're saying at this forum. (http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?postid=159616#)

[Sabocat]

I guess we can clearly see with that statement, why school segregation has made such a big comeback over the last 10+ years. Of course they mask it's true nature by calling it "neighborhood school program" (at least here in Boston) but it's the same racist bullshit.

That a former Secretary of Education would make such a flagrant admission exposes the agenda of the ruling class.


I hope Bennett joins his master, Ron Reagan soon.

[cubalibra]

That's what we get for having a Klansman as President.

[Marat]

We all know Dr. Bennett's "moral compass" is the roulette wheel. The guy is one of the most notorious gamblers ever in the history of politics!!!!

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/...0306.green.html (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0306.green.html)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bennett

[bunk]

would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do," then added again, "but the crime rate would go down.

Well the statement is true but he doesn't address factors which spur people on to crime

[Hampton]

The White House called the comments, made by William J. Bennett, the former Republican secretary of education, off base. The White House spokesman, Scott McClellan, said that President George W. Bush "believes the comments were not appropriate."

Link. (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/30/bennett.comments/)

I don't get it...why can't they just come and sya the comments were wrong? Were they just not appropriate at that time and should be saved for another? I mean you would think with Bush's record as well as the Republican's record with African Americans they would try to say something more along the lines of it being completely wrong to say and and disgusting.

But that'd be to much to expect.

[barret]

How do these conservative radio guys stay this anti-black for so long. The civil rights movement was in the 60/70's how long will it take them to learn?

[BuyOurEverything]

I could wrong, but it seems to me that all he's saying is that it's wrong to make laws regarding personal liberty or morality based on social trends.

He's not saying that black babies should be aborted

Bennett conceded that aborting all African-American babies "would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do

He's using an example to state that if you want to manipulate social trends, such as crime rates, tax revenues, etc., there are laws you can make such as legalizing/banning/mandating abortion to do so, however this is not ethical.

[Tekun]

He's just stating the beliefs of the majority of these racist fools, difference is that he makes his beliefs public, and simpletons like Delay and Lott don't

Republicans are wolves, and Democrats are foxes
Republicans publicize their hate, democrats are more adroit at hiding their hate

How bout we abort all tha babies in his fam? ;)

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 04:31 PM
He's not saying that black babies should be aborted
No. But he is saying the existence of Black people causes crime. Josh, I'm curious why you think this is true?


He's using an example to state that if you want to manipulate social trends, such as crime rates, tax revenues, etc., there are laws you can make such as legalizing/banning/mandating abortion to do so, however this is not ethical.

No. He's saying revenue is not the best argument to use in order to try to ban abortion.

[red_orchestra]

The stats are so very clear on why the US continues to have problems interracially. Humm....lets see, could it be that the problem was created by Government policies? Stereotyping? Lack of resources used to combat racism in educational institutions?
Yep... and the issue go all the way into the heart of American life. Somethings got to change!!

[BuyOurEverything]

No. But he is saying the existence of Black people causes crime. Josh, I'm curious why you think this is true?


That's not entirely it. He's saying that aborting black fetuses would cause a drop in the crime rate. Is this not correct? The same could be said about fetuses from poor parents, immigrant parents, mafia parents, etc. I could be mistaken (and correct me if I'm wrong) but there is a higher crime rate among blacks. Obviously, this is because the average income of black people is lower than that of whites, and consequently property crime is higher, as it is among all poor people regardless of race. However, this doesn't change the fact that statistically speaking, it is true.


No. He's saying revenue is not the best argument to use in order to try to ban abortion.

False. He's saying revenue is an invalid argument for abortion. Buddy comes along and says 'what about all the tax money the gov. lost out on from aborted fetuses?' and Bennet replies that it is irrelevant because abortion is wrong period.

While he's obviously full of shit regarding his stance on abortion, his point is that issues regarding morality/ethics should not be decided monetarily, a point which I think most people on this board (Bennet's personal morality notwithstanding) would agree with.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 03:22 PM
That's not entirely it. He's saying that aborting black fetuses would cause a drop in the crime rate.
Tomato tomahto.


I could be mistaken (and correct me if I'm wrong) but there is a higher crime rate among blacks. Obviously, this is because the average income of black people is lower than that of whites, and consequently property crime is higher, as it is among all poor people regardless of race.

I guess it is higher, as the cops figure these things. (E.g. Dow illegally dumping toxic waste and causing cancer isn't counted in the murder rate. The Enron fraud isn't counted in the theft rate.)

Dunno about that explanation for why the rate might be higher. I'm leery of the liberal "poverty causes crime" argument. Not sure if it's supported by evidence, and it implies poor people are criminals.

But that's all beside the point.

My main question is, how do you get from there to less Blacks = less crime? You'd have to assume that fewer Black people = fewer poor people, which in turn requires the assumption that poverty is caused by "ethnic diversity" rather than, say, capitalism.

I'm here to tell ya, if capitalism didn't have Black and Latino people to do the lowest-paying jobs, there'd still be somebody doing 'em.

[Hampton]

The highest crime rate is among people with two or more racial backgrounds, African Americans come in second.

If you aborted every black fetus there would another group of people who took the role that they were going to occupy in the society, in effect, the lowest group in America. Whether the crime rate rose or dropped then would be up to how society treated them, how they were raised, opportunities they had, and other things.

[deak]

Wwll, there is absolutely no solid fact that race or even class has a causal relationship for the crime rate. We do have biased numbers that reflect more on the racist practices of the police. Most arrests are also involving not a REAL crime with a victim but of drug posession. According to David Cole, a law professor at Georgetown University, blacks only make up 13 percent of illegal drug users, however, 74 percent of all those incarcerated for drugs are black. “Common sense, then, dictates that if the police conducted pretext stops on the campus of U.C.L.A. with the same frequency as they do in South Central, a lot of whites would be arrested for drug possession, too” . Trust me, I used to work in Over the Rhine in downtown Cincinnati and I would say the majority of people that came into the neighborhood were white folks, yet the black sellers and users were the targets of almost all of the arrests. Because of these kind of factors I cannot reasonably be convinced that there is actually more overall crime in the black community as a whole. Possibly in certain locations but I tend to believe that rich white people do illegal things in their work practices everyday, it's just no one catches them. And I also feel that just as many rich white kids smoke grass and use smack as the black community (a lot of which are not poor).

Whether Mr. Bennett believes blacks should be killed or not is almost a mute point, suggesting that blacks are somehow predespossed for lives of crime is just a racist and possible worse than the other. Most people don't agree that balcks should be aborted, but most whites believe the latter false assumption.

Here's his responce as found on CNN:
"I'm not racist, and I'll put my record up against theirs," referring to Pelosi and other critics. "I've been a champion of the real civil rights issue of our times -- equal educational opportunities for kids."

HA! yeah i'll be glad to test that record!

[Severian]

And by equal educational opportunities for kids, he means vouchers - gutting public education in order to subsidize Catholic parochial schools.

[Black Dagger]

I'm leery of the liberal "poverty causes crime" argument. Not sure if it's supported by evidence, and it implies poor people are criminals.

What's a more convincing argument?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

I hope Bennett joins his master, Ron Reagan soon.

I hope only if he would be killed by an anti-racist group, by a black group etc. Otherwise such people can turn into martyrs.


***Headlines***
"Bennet, a leading politician in the United States under the Reagon administration, died Wednesday, age 58, after fighting cancer for five year until he passed away"

[Axel1917]

Ugh! What a flaming heap of nonsense! Biological determinism was pretty much ripped to shreds when the human genome was mapped. It is sickening to see that some cretins still continue to spew forth such garbage.

[viva le revolution]

This from an educated politician? Yankee political intelligence has really taken a nose-dive. I am surprised such openly-racist and idiotic leaders can come to power in a country that invented political-correctness.
What surprises me even more is that nobody is there from the left to challenge these dupes.

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by viva le [email protected] 3 2005, 01:56 PM
This from an educated politician? Yankee political intelligence has really taken a nose-dive. I am surprised such openly-racist and idiotic leaders can come to power in a country that invented political-correctness.
What surprises me even more is that nobody is there from the left to challenge these dupes.
All of it, quoted for truth.