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coda
28th September 2005, 15:39
Kremlin aide wants Lenin's corpse buried


MOSCOW (Reuters) - A top Kremlin aide said on Wednesday Vladimir Lenin should be taken from his Red Square mausoleum and buried, reigniting a discussion about the Soviet leader's final resting place.

The fate of Lenin's embalmed body has been controversial since the end of the Soviet Union, where his tomb was an essential site of pilgrimage for generations of communists, with 1990s debate being postponed by leaving him where he is.

"Our country has been shaken by trouble more than once ...," said Georgy Poltavchenko, President Vladimir Putin's envoy in Central Russia, according to Interfax news agency.

"I do not think it is entirely correct that those who started these troubles should be located by the Kremlin, at the very center of the state," he said.

Passions ran high over the issue after the Soviet collapse. One leftist group threatened to detonate a bomb in Moscow if Lenin, whose red granite mausoleum dominates the cobbled expanse of Red Square, was buried.

Putin calmed passions in 2001 by saying Lenin, who died in 1924 after leading the Bolshevik revolution, could stay where he was until a majority of people wanted him to be buried next to his mother in St. Petersburg.

Poltavchenko seemed to think that time was nearly at hand.

"I think that the time comes for all of us to be buried in mother earth," he said.
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ÑóẊîöʼn
28th September 2005, 16:01
Considering that being buried next to his mother was what Lenin wanted anyway, they should do it.

h&s
28th September 2005, 16:02
Lenin should definitely be buried. His embalmed corpse only serves the Stalinist personality cult around him, and therefore people's impressions of him and his politics because of it.

bolshevik butcher
28th September 2005, 16:34
yeh it's kinda weird. On the otherhand it looks cool and would destroy a mosocw tourist site.

Nothing Human Is Alien
28th September 2005, 20:46
This is similar to Ho Chi Minh, who specifically said he was to be creamated, but they built a giant mausoleum and put his embalmed corpse on display instead.

Entrails Konfetti
29th September 2005, 03:56
Lenins wife Krupskaya was outraged when they decided to keep him in a glass box, she said if the people really wanted to celebrate the life of Lenin they should name a library after him.

Zingu
29th September 2005, 04:15
Lenin wanted a simple burial, its about time they give that legend his final wish.


....Just let me see his embalmed body first! ;)

Roses in the Hospital
29th September 2005, 08:49
I've got mixed feelings...

On the one hand Lenin did want to be buried, so it seems right that that is what should happen. But on the other hand I don't think the Russians should be sweeping their past under the carpet...

chebol
29th September 2005, 08:59
Just bury him. It's his politics that matter, not his empty husk.

If it's icons you want to hold on to, keep the mausoleum there.

If people paid more attention to what people say and need, and less to the corpses and icons of dead people, we might have a chance.....

Sabocat
29th September 2005, 09:44
I'm quite sure that the Kremlin would love to sweep away the last vestiges of Communism. If I were a leader there now, I'd probably want the constant reminder of a revolution that expelled the ruling class buried too. It's probably even more troubling to them that there seems to be large groups of people that want Lenin to stay right where he is.

On one hand, I suppose it would be proper to bury him according to his wishes, but on the other hand, I think it serves a purpose having an image of communism right in everyones face. Perhaps it encourages the youth to learn about communism and perhaps they'll even fight for it again.

citizen_snips
29th September 2005, 10:03
I think if they are going to bury it, they should do it:

A. After I've gotten to see it

and

B. Then replace it with a waxwork replica

That way everyone's happy!

ComradeOm
29th September 2005, 10:12
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 08:30 AM
Just bury him. It's his politics that matter, not his empty husk.

If it's icons you want to hold on to, keep the mausoleum there.

If people paid more attention to what people say and need, and less to the corpses and icons of dead people, we might have a chance.....
Icons are important. Like it or not its the symbols that people remember first, with the politics second. Just look at Che for example - would he have had such a huge cultural impact without *that* picture?

Led Zeppelin
29th September 2005, 11:00
Lenin was/is thought to be the most important person in history, like for example Napoleon, for leading the first socialist revolution.

He should stay where he is, I saw him a few months ago, it rules.

YKTMX
29th September 2005, 15:57
Bury him! It's a disgusting memorial to Stalinism. In a sense, when they embalmed they also "embalmed" his ideas. There he was, safe for everyone to see and for no one to discover.

Lenin is dead: long live Lenin!

Socialist_Martyr
29th September 2005, 18:54
You have to consider lenins final wish, to be buried with his mother. lenin was a great man but its time he be buried.