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Larissa
28th December 2002, 16:18
Please, as I'm new here, if this post shouldn't be here, feel free to tell me so. Thanks!

CIA accused of torture at Bagram base

Some captives handed to brutal foreign agencies

Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
The Guardian, Friday, December 27, 2002

The CIA has used "stress and duress" techniques on al-Qaida suspects held at
secret overseas detention centres, as well as contracting out their
interrogation to foreign intelligence agencies known to routinely use
torture, said a report published yesterday.

The Washington Post paints a harrowing picture of the procedures for
extracting information from terrorism suspects at such centres as Diego
Garcia, the Indian Ocean island leased from Britain, and Bagram, the large
US airbase in Afghanistan.

Inmates at Bagram are kept in painful positions for hours, hooded or made to
wear opaque goggles, or bombarded with light, the report says. However,
other detainees have faced far worse for not cooperating, being "rendered"
to a foreign intelligence service which has no compunction about torture.

The Post suggests there has been a sweeping change in US policy on torture
since September 11, despite public pronouncements against its use. It quotes
Cofer Black, the former director of the CIA's counter-terrorist branch, as
telling a congressional intelligence committee: "All you need to know: there
was a before 9/11, and there was an after 9/11... After 9/11 the gloves come
off."

Yesterday's report has deepened concern in human rights circles about the
fate of the roughly 3,000 people quietly detained around the world.

"I think there needs to be a clear statement from the US government that
they are abiding by the Geneva convention with the treatment of detainees,"
James Ross, a senior legal adviser at Human Rights Watch, said yesterday.

"Turning people over to another government to do something that would amount
to torture is a problem. It is torture by proxy, and the US should not be
doing that."

The CIA refused to comment on the report yesterday.

Reports that there could be abuse of detainees at Diego Garcia could also
prove embarrassing for Britain. The Indian Ocean atoll is a British
dependency and houses joint US and British air and naval facilities.

"If they know about this, and torture and mistreatment are taking place in
Diego Garcia, British officials could also be viewed as taking part in
torture," Mr Ross said.

The report offers the first details of inmates' treatment at CIA camps
outside Guantanamo Bay, where some 600 al-Qaida suspects are held. But the
Guantanamo inmates have had at least limited access to lawyers, journalists,
and the Red Cross, whereas Bagram is strictly off-limits, and human rights
groups fear conditions could be worse.

Earlier this month, officials said they would launch a criminal inquiry into
the death of two prisoners at Bagram. One reportedly died of a heart attack,
the other of a pulmonary embolism.

US laws apparently do not apply at the centres, where CIA agents oversee -
or take part in - the interrogations. While the US publicly denounces
torture, the Post says each of the 10 serving national security officials
interviewed by the paper defended the use of violence against captives.

"If you don't violate someone's human rights some of the time, you probably
aren't doing your job," an official who has supervised the capture of
suspects told the newspaper. "I don't think we want to be promoting a view
of zero tolerance on this. That was the whole problem for a long time with
the CIA."

The report says CIA agents sometimes trick a detainee into thinking he is
held in a state where torture is routine. On other occasions, low-level
suspects have been handed over to Jordanian, Egyptian, and Moroccan
agencies - known for their brutality - with a list of questions from the
CIA.

Some US officials claim the main motive of such "renditions" is the belief
that a suspect will open up if questioned in his own language or on familiar
terrain.

However, one official directly involved in rendering captives to foreign
hands is quoted as saying: "We don't kick the [expletive] out of them. We
send them to other countries so they can kick the [expletive] out of them."

Non-Sectarian Bastard!
28th December 2002, 16:52
The worst thing is that some of them are innoncent. Could you imagine that, happy that you have been "freed", than comes some CIA fucker who starts to beat the hell out of you.

Larissa
28th December 2002, 17:04
The fuc...ing agency trained the Argentine military soldiers teaching them how to torture people back in 1976.
You may take a look at this: http://www.yendor.com/vanished/vanished/dagmar.html
and see how many innocent people were abducted and "disappeared" by mistake...

Non-Sectarian Bastard!
28th December 2002, 17:10
There is a book with a name like "CIA" or "Inside the agency". Written by some former CIA agent who reveals their torture methodes. I saw an interview of an agent once who told that he was in some foreign country at a CIA installation and then he heared screaming. Asked what it was and heared that CIA agents were learning foreign soldiers to torture on people. They showed him the lessons and then after a while he left.

Larissa
28th December 2002, 17:16
He was lucky to leave alive and live long enough to write a book! Most former CIA agents were only able to leave the agency inside a coffin, eliminated by their own people. Nice guys :-) - IMO They should practice eliminating themselves more often!

Pavan Sohal
28th December 2002, 17:20
This is nothing new, the U.S. intelligence agencies have been running around doing whatever they want for ages. Basically the government is out of control, no matter who you elect, there is no effect on what the CIA does. When Jimmy Carter was President, we still saw massive human rights violations, but he is the most progressive, anti-violence President in history; this makes it clear that the American people no longer control the American government.

Xvall
28th December 2002, 17:26
Surely you have heard of the school of assassins? You know? Fort Benning? The place where CIA agents train proud, young, members of South American militaries to crush civilian dissent and kill babies.

Non-Sectarian Bastard!
28th December 2002, 17:26
J.F.Kennedy, shot by CIA snipers, loads of evidence, but still the government refuses to admit. There has even been a lawcase ,but judge said that because of "national security" he could give the dossiers at it soon open at 2039. Well we all know how a "open" CIA document looks like. The brains of JFK are officialy even "missing", because that's the evidence.