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Pete
28th December 2002, 04:09
We all come from different countries, different social backgrounds, and we are all very different people in our politics and lifestyles. Yet most of us share the common goal of the Utopia. We don't all agree on how to get their either. With the Democratic Socialists (I am sorry if it is opposite please correct and not flame) on one side, the hardcore Revolutionaries on another, and the, I will call them, Revolutionary Musicans on the third. Life is a triange. The Celts believed so, it is my belief as well. On the left we ahve the trimuniative of Moderates, Revolutionaries, and the Musicians. I make this thread to show how the Musicians fit into the left-wing picture, and why I believe this faction (although they do not know it) exists. Their are three aspects of the Musicain.
The first is harmony. As Che Geuvera said in his "Man and Socialism in Cuba" the people and government must come together with thier seperate chords and make music together. This harmony between indiviuals is the goal of the Musician.
The second aspect is anarachy. In music everyone is more or less equal. You sing because you want to. You play your trombone because you want to. You play your bagpipes because you want to. The Musician is searching for their own niche in society. To find this their can be [italic] no society [italic]. In the search for oneness you must forget what others will think and become so isolated from the others that they will infact benfit the rest of the community by doing what they do. The structured society gives way to the loosely tied together commune of equals.
The third aspect of the Musician is to be leftist. If a person tries to obtain the other two aspects of the Musician for their [italic] own [italic] good then they are CAPITALIST. When they strive to accomplish something for themselves they must use other people, or trample other people. But if they simply try to do what they do because they are good at it, not for any sort of profit, other then moral. Aswell the benifit of the community must come from these actions, not the benifit of the self. By fulfilling life as selflessly as possible, they will obtain the third aspect of being a musician.
So through Harmony, Anarchy, and Leftist means one becomes a Musician. Creating the music of society through selfless work that they do because they are good at it. I believe that this is what I am trying to obtain. To be a Musician. I think there are others on this board who HAVE obtained this. I cannot name them because I donnot know anyone past what they post.
This is my politcal 'utopia'. Please comment and question.

CopperGoat
28th December 2002, 04:55
I am a bassist. and i am starting a band. but my guitarist wants to do rock n' roll, so there won't be much protest in my music.

Ghadafi Al Amin
28th December 2002, 05:15
i rap and most of my songs are more towards anti government to changin our way of life anybody wants a sample get at me on the AIM

Dr. Rosenpenis
28th December 2002, 05:47
I am not much of a musician, but how can music be third end of a triangle? What about art, drama, or dance? I'll have to dissagree with you entirely. Music has never acomplished anything when it comes to revolutionizing a society, parliamentary or otherwise. I support music as I do any form of expression, if it has a polical slant, it matters not to me. I also believe that alot of music does not promote harmony, among the musicians or within the song itself. I also do not believ that many bands at all have complete equality among all of its members, even if it did, what difference would that make in reaching a Socialistic goal? Thirdly, anyone knows weather or not he/she is leftist and many musicians ( a minority of musicians) are right-wing and do not promote leftism, even if they don't make music for their own personal gain. Likewise, a leftist musician can make music for their personal gain and still be leftists.

ComradeJunichi
28th December 2002, 05:50
I play guitar, I was in a band in Korea.

Non-Sectarian Bastard!
28th December 2002, 12:33
I doubt if playing music has anything to do with your political opinion.

Pete
28th December 2002, 13:10
Quote: from Victorcommie on 12:47 am on Dec. 28, 2002
I am not much of a musician, but how can music be third end of a triangle? What about art, drama, or dance? I'll have to dissagree with you entirely. Music has never acomplished anything when it comes to revolutionizing a society, parliamentary or otherwise. I support music as I do any form of expression, if it has a polical slant, it matters not to me. I also believe that alot of music does not promote harmony, among the musicians or within the song itself. I also do not believ that many bands at all have complete equality among all of its members, even if it did, what difference would that make in reaching a Socialistic goal? Thirdly, anyone knows weather or not he/she is leftist and many musicians ( a minority of musicians) are right-wing and do not promote leftism, even if they don't make music for their own personal gain. Likewise, a leftist musician can make music for their personal gain and still be leftists.


I believe I had been misunderstood. I have only used the term MUSICIAN because of what Che said in his 'On Man and Socialism in Cuba'. I intended only to use the word as a term to bind together the three thoughts I present. Harmony, Anarchy, and Leftist politics.

Sirion
28th December 2002, 13:38
I play guitar and do vocals, and got a band, but my bandmates arent really into socialism. But, I try to abuse my position as band leader to bend our messege toward socialism. At least, I always use a Che (or similiar socialism) t-shirt when playing.

Pete
28th December 2002, 14:45
Maybe I titled and picked a very bad term for this, but this is not about playing instruments or singing or being in a band. It is about my personal political theory, which I titled the "Musician" which I think that people here have achieved, and which I am striving to achieve. I also know it should be in 'theory' but I realized to late. Sorry for the confusion comrades. Think the H.A.L., not music!

antieverything
28th December 2002, 17:44
Umm...pete, what the hell are you talking about? ;)

kurt cobain
28th December 2002, 19:04
I play drums and little bit guitar but i don't have a band. Yet.

ComradeJunichi
28th December 2002, 19:11
Haha, Pete your whole point was lost.

Pete
29th December 2002, 01:36
Ok. The point was lost. I have re-titled/re-subtitled the thread and moved it to Theory where it should have been. If you have any comments please post them HERE (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=13&topic=532)