Is China gonna be a future world power?

[against_capitalism_and_fascism]

with china's fast growing economy and military power growing, is the People's Republic of China gonna grow to be one of the worlds super powers???and if it does would it be a good thing or a bad thing???

[Master Che]

Dought it somehow America will screw them up and setting them back several decade's. Just like what they have done to many other countries.

[Commie Rat]

China IS a world super power and they are still growing

apparently they are using 30% of the world wood supplies 45% of the world steel and concrete suppiles and there are army totals 300 million

[against_capitalism_and_fascism]

i agree, but if china starts getting stronger military weapons and technology in the future, how would the amerika respond to it? would they see it as a threat to our "freedoms" (like they care) or as a strong ally??

[Anarchist Freedom]

At the way that china is growing economically and how dependant the US is on them for production. In 20 years they will be a super power that will rival the us and will most likely pass it economically.

[La Comédie Noire]

They already are a world power and companies like Nike and Wal-Mart bribe goverment officials to let them pollute their water and enslave their children. So I guess you could say America and China are in kahootes.

[Scars]

China already is a world power. The difference is that it's not expansionist in the same way the USSR was, so it doesn't come into conflict with the USA as much.

[against_capitalism_and_fascism]

So through Chinas example of growing power and growing economy if others were to go communist, would communism work in other countries??

[La Comédie Noire]

China is no longer communist really, it's fastly becoming capitalist due to the Influence of American Industry. It oppresess it's people more than ever now.

[Anarchist Freedom]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 01:47 AM
So through Chinas example of growing power and growing economy if others were to go communist, would communism work in other countries??
From the start china was never communist it was a maoist bastardized version of marxism now its just state capitalism.

[bolshevik butcher]

Its' relaly free market isnt it? I mean look at all the big corporations there.

I dont know if a strong china would be good for the world, it's government hardly got a good record, on the otherhand they might challenged the U$ and stop it from doing whatever it wants.

[Fidelbrand]

yes, it will be a superpower.
yes, it is a good thing. Although its communist fervour is dieing, but the government is sincere in upholiding peace and solidarity and is ready to promote them.

[bolshevik butcher]

Since when was the chiense government interested in peace, it seems to only be interested in money and pwoer just now.

[RedStarOverChina]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 26 2005, 10:36 AM
Since when was the chiense government interested in peace, it seems to only be interested in money and pwoer just now.
When peace is more suitable for China to grab money and power---which is often the case---For today's China, at least.

[La Comédie Noire]

All I can say about China and the U.S is, hope they don't ally and hope they don't fight cause the world would be screwed either way. :o

[MexAmLeft]

My question is would this benefit the spread of socialism in the world, i mean i guess a mixed economy is better than free market ecomony its at least a step in the right direction????What do u guys think?

[La Comédie Noire]

Actually it woulkd benefit the spread of harsh capitalism.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by RedStarOverChina+Sep 26 2005, 05:37 PM--> (RedStarOverChina @ Sep 26 2005, 05:37 PM)
Clenched [email protected] 26 2005, 10:36 AM
Since when was the chiense government interested in peace, it seems to only be interested in money and pwoer just now.
When peace is more suitable for China to grab money and power---which is often the case---For today's China, at least. [/b]
Ok, but that's not the same as being committed to peace, the way fidelbrand stated it, it sounded like the hcinese government was some sort of force for good, there just another beugoirse government interested in making money and staying in control.

[violencia.Proletariat]

yes it is a good thing in a sense, with industrialization comes the proletariat, making it ready for a real revolution.

[RedStarOverChina]

I didnt say nor would I think that Chinese government is "committed" towards peace...(Sorry for selling you out, fidelbrand :lol: )

Nowadays no one talks about commitments anymore. Everything is driven by the material condition, or interest. (well, it's been that way ever since the beginning of time)

[donnie_middel1]

yah really china is not gonna stay peacefull, they want taiwan back and they'll get it with in a few yrs, and i would not be surprised if they helped north korea kick south korea's ass

[RedStarOverChina]

yah really china is not gonna stay peacefull, they want taiwan back and they'll get it with in a few yrs

Thats why I said China is not "committed" to peace. China never openly threatens to use force---but instead she always leave the options open.


and i would not be surprised if they helped north korea kick south korea's ass
Quite an ignorant young lad, aren't ya?

[La Comédie Noire]

hahaha North Korea and China hate eachother.

[donnie_middel1]

south korea is nothing more then a reblous outlaw state of the korean penninsula, north korea rules all of korea, and south korea will learn there lessson soon enough, and china only hates north korea becuase of the fact that north korea is not affraid of any threats that imperialist countries make, and i think that china would bak the north if they incaded the pigs

[bolshevik butcher]

Ah, leave him in his cage. He said in his ideal society everyone would assimilate to the state and that all communists and anarchists would be shot because there dissenters.

Yeh, the world doesnt really need a nuclear war.

[ComradeOm]

China will be interesting to watch and will have a huge impact on us all. The next generation of Chinese Party leaders will be businessmen and I for one can’t wait to see what choices they’ll make. As business continues to flow into the country, the capitalist ruling class will have two basic approaches to where their country goes:

Route A: They decide to continue with the Party’s controls in order to restrict wages to ensure they have an edge on the global market. So the sweatshops remain and Nike and co continue to make large profits. This will however require the continuation of the authoritarian regime. But this is a short term solution. Having experienced a degree of economic liberation, the middle class will want more political freedom. On the other hand the workers will start to wake up to the fact that they are being cut out of the money flow. So the state gets stung from both sides. It shouldn’t be a surprise, we all know that the political superstructure is built on economic foundations.

End result: Revolution in China

Route B: Now this is far more interesting. What if China does go democratic? How would a liberal democracy on that scale affect us? Well in the short term we’d have a lot more capitalist crowing, but what happens when China’s labour pool starts to dry up? Without an authoritarian power wages start to increase and suddenly its no longer so attractive to set up shop in Beijing. Assuming that India and the other Asian countries have kept up, we have a situation where Western companies are no longer saving themselves a fortune by outsourcing abroad. Considering that the entire liberal world of today is built on cheap consumer goods from Asia, this will have massive and far reaching consequences. Multinationals will be faced with a stark choice – raise their prices to maintain profits (which will reduce competitively), lower pay and benefits to their workers (which will raise worker agitation) or simply live with narrow profits (come on, these are capitalists. They simply wouldn’t exist without profits). At the very least it should see the return of large scale manufacturing to the West.

End result: An end to imperialism/globalisation