250,000 Bullets per Rebel

[Free Palestine]

"US forces have fired so many bullets in Iraq and Afghanistan - an estimated 250,000 for every insurgent killed - that American ammunition-makers cannot keep up with demand. As a result the US is having to import supplies from Israel. (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece)"

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Maybe they should use their range officers for target practice because that's terrible marksmanship right there.

[Commie Rat]

that is fucking funny, or maybe the company making them is making them defective so the cant hit the enemy so they have to but more bullets! :o

[Master Che]

Didnt know american soldiers sucked that much at aiming. Maybe if they stopped using those high tech gadget's they'll be naturally better.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 02:21 AM
Didnt know american soldiers sucked that much at aiming. Maybe if they stopped using those high tech gadget's they'll be naturally better.
Gadgets do help when they are used appropriately and the soldiers are trained properly in their use. But it's obvious that the training of the US Army is severely lacking.

[Commie Rat]

apparently US army snipers had 99.88888% acuracy
(proabably on a rifle range not in combat)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 26 2005, 02:28 AM
apparently US army snipers had 99.88888% acuracy
(proabably on a rifle range not in combat)
You mean the US Army's drill sergeants don't shout, swear, and let off stun grenades and flashbangs as their recruits are on the range?

[Anarchist Freedom]

Well that is fucking insane. Maybe some of these bullets are un accounted for? As in, In the heads of civilians?

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 08:21 PM
Didnt know american soldiers sucked that much at aiming. Maybe if they stopped using those high tech gadget's they'll be naturally better.
Use the force, Luke! Sorry, couldn't resist.


Well that is fucking insane. Maybe some of these bullets are un accounted for? As in, In the heads of civilians?

Oh, absolutely. It's common practice, reportedly, to spray fire around whenever a patrol or convoy comes under attack, even if it's a roadside bomb. (Might be followed up by an ambush.)

So its probably SOP, not poor marksmanship, that results in using so much ammo.

[bunk]

Reminds me of those Vietnam stats. If i was in a war i'd have no qualms in using the ammo if we had it. It's much safer for the soldiers and in Urban warfare there must be a lot of covering to do

[cormacobear]

The snipers have received tens of thousands of dollars in training. The average soldier is just out of high school and most of his training has been done by Sony Corp.. It's quite common knowledge if you read military jounals from other NATO countries that there soldiers are not very well trained, but their technology and tactics are designed to compensate for the lack of money spent training, and in particulair cross-training.

the soldiers using depleted uranium shells have a 30% higher rate of cancer than other soldiers. add to that the amount of lead in Billions of rounds of light amunition. the fallout from this war will very much resemble the fallout from the use of Napalm and agent orange.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

the soldiers using depleted uranium shells have a 30% higher rate of cancer than other soldiers. add to that the amount of lead in Billions of rounds of light amunition. the fallout from this war will very much resemble the fallout from the use of Napalm and agent orange.

Source?

[La Comédie Noire]

Well thats what happens when your shooting at crowds of people with maybe only one person who has even touched a gun in their whole life and than planting weapons on that said crowd. Maybe thats where all the munitions went into the planting of weapons.

[Phalanx]

I think in Vietnam it took something like 150,000 rounds for a bullet to make its mark, while the average sniper took 1.3 bullets. Apparently the US military has declined even more in shot accuracy. That's what happens when 'you go to war with the army you have'. Now the US is stuck in a quagmire and suffering and death is unrelenting upon the Iraqi people.

[Severian]

Originally posted by Chinghis [email protected] 26 2005, 07:18 PM
That's what happens when 'you go to war with the army you have'.
I'm curious. What other army has anyone ever gone to war with? And, of course, every military is prepared to fight the last war.

Rumsfeld's famous statement is true on our side of the barricades as well: you fight with what you have.

[BuyOurEverything]

apparently US army snipers had 99.88888% acuracy
(proabably on a rifle range not in combat)

I don't think it's the snipers that are using up all the bullets.

And, sorry, but I fail to see what the point of this article is. The point of a war isn't to get the highest accuracy level, it's to win the fucking war. If you can afford to shoot off 250,000 bullets per kill, why not do it if it works better? I mean, from the military's perspective, what's the point of conserving ammo?

[Anarchist Freedom]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 09:54 PM

apparently US army snipers had 99.88888% acuracy
(proabably on a rifle range not in combat)

I don't think it's the snipers that are using up all the bullets.

And, sorry, but I fail to see what the point of this article is. The point of a war isn't to get the highest accuracy level, it's to win the fucking war. If you can afford to shoot off 250,000 bullets per kill, why not do it if it works better? I mean, from the military's perspective, what's the point of conserving ammo?
There is none really. Its just economically costly also americas supposed to have the best of the best. Yet they cant shoot for shit? :blink:

[BuyOurEverything]

Bullets aren't that costly, compared to most of the other shit they have over there. And that statistic doesn't mean that the soldiers aren't acurate, just that they don't have to be if it's more effective to spray.

[JKP]

Most modern militaries incorporate suppressive fire into their tactics. In other words, machine gunners open fire on an enemy to keep him pinned down, thus allowing the other soldiers to advance and attack the enemy from a better position.

The amount of bullets shot isn't really meaningful, as most of them went into suppressive fire.