Military

[mo7amEd]

I have no idea where i should post this thread, if this is wrong forum then move it :)


anyway, i live in Sweden, and in Sweden it is compulsory to do "lumpen" if your health conditions allow you. lumpen is like the basic education/training of the military, and its about 10 to 12 months. you learn how to use a rifle, and all the basic stuff and then you specify in a area, to become a urban sodier, a tankdriver or whatever.

you do it because if Sweden would get in to a war or get attacked they would have alot of soldiers avaible. but to do this you do not become a "working soldier", you're just a reserve. And it's not likely that Sweden would go to war or get attacked since they are mostly "neutral".

but anyhow, this "lumpen" is easy to be excused from, you can make up whatever, you can say like "i'll take suicide if you make me do it". only 9000 of 50 000 get to do lumpen in sweden.

My question is, should I do "lumpen" or not? Because I really want to learn how to use a gun, it's a good basic training for me, it could be important for me in the future. This doesn't mean I'm in the Swedish military, but they could make me to go to war (if they would i would proberly sign off my Swedish citizenship and only have the Iraqi citizenship).

[Morpheus]

I don't think weapons training itself is inherently wrong. In a revolution it would probably be helpfull for many of us to be experienced with firearms. Never ever use your weapons skills to aid the capitalists in an imperialists war or something along those lines (including "peacekeeping" missions which are disguised imperialism), though. If your'e forced to do so you need to find a way out, perhaps through forfeiting citizenship like you said or even using your weapons training against your commanding officer & those higher up in the chain of command. However, military training can involve more than just weapons training, like indoctrinating you to obey authority. I don't know how that applies to Sweden or your situation.

[mo7amEd]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 10:05 PM
However, military training can involve more than just weapons training, like indoctrinating you to obey authority. I don't know how that applies to Sweden or your situation.
well it's proberly the same in Sweden, but it's not like i'm going to get brainwashed or something.

But it was really funny when they told us why it was nessery to do "lumpen".

The reasons were:
1. If we would go to war
2. If we would get attacked
3. If we would get attacked by terrorists

I wanted to ask what they meant with that, coz if some militia would attack Sweden they wouldn't be terrorists, they would be an army or whatever.

they had other questionble things, but to question them could mean that i wold be allowed to do "lumpen", and i haven't decided yet if i want to do it or not.

[violencia.Proletariat]

if you did do it would you be required to fight if the country called for you? if not then go for it.

[mo7amEd]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 11:00 PM
if you did do it would you be required to fight if the country called for you? if not then go for it.
it's not likely that they would, they take those in the military first, but i would be called if they needed more than the avaible military (like if we would be attacked).

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by mo7amEd+Sep 24 2005, 07:03 PM--> (mo7amEd @ Sep 24 2005, 07:03 PM)
[email protected] 24 2005, 11:00 PM
if you did do it would you be required to fight if the country called for you? if not then go for it.
it's not likely that they would, they take those in the military first, but i would be called if they needed more than the avaible military (like if we would be attacked). [/b]
sounds like americas national guard. if they can force you to fight if they were in a war then id say no. do you guys not have fireing ranges in sweden? just make a friend who owns a gun and learn to shoot at one. do they not offer gun classes either?

[Reds]

The skills you would learn are good to know and I dont think sweden would be invading anyone or be attacked any time soon so from what I can see its a fairly nice deal.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

anyway, i live in Sweden, and in Sweden it is compulsory to do "lumpen" if your health conditions allow you. lumpen is like the basic education/training of the military, and its about 10 to 12 months. you learn how to use a rifle, and all the basic stuff and then you specify in a area, to become a urban sodier, a tankdriver or whatever.

I like this idea a lot. The idea of a citizen-soldier appeals to me.


My question is, should I do "lumpen" or not? Because I really want to learn how to use a gun, it's a good basic training for me, it could be important for me in the future. This doesn't mean I'm in the Swedish military, but they could make me to go to war (if they would i would proberly sign off my Swedish citizenship and only have the Iraqi citizenship).

Doing this "lumpen" training in no way compels you to carry out the government's orders, unless you take an oath of some sort.

I think under communist society some sort of military training should be recommended for all those fit for it.

[mo7amEd]

Originally posted by nate+Sep 24 2005, 11:19 PM--> (nate @ Sep 24 2005, 11:19 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 07:03 PM

[email protected] 24 2005, 11:00 PM
if you did do it would you be required to fight if the country called for you? if not then go for it.
it's not likely that they would, they take those in the military first, but i would be called if they needed more than the avaible military (like if we would be attacked).
sounds like americas national guard. if they can force you to fight if they were in a war then id say no. do you guys not have fireing ranges in sweden? just make a friend who owns a gun and learn to shoot at one. do they not offer gun classes either? [/b]
it's very rare to own a gun in Sweden. It's not easy to get a gun licens and there is alot more to learn than just shooting a gun.

[bulrog]

Knowing how to use a gun is not wrong, in fact the majority of people I know would be able to tell you what way it supposed to be done, but I think you're topic should have a different title to somthing about consription, I do not agree with cumpolsury military service.

[mo7amEd]

neither do i...

[Xvall]

I don't see a problem with it. Unlike the Empire that I live in, I doubt Sweeden is going to ship you to Iraq. I'd do it.

[Le People]

After the revolution, you can brag to the current guy in charge when he's wrangling a turd in toliet how you learned how to fight by his government's hand.

[Commie Girl]

:) I think it is an excellent idea, since Sweden doesnt have an imperilist past, and the skills you learn could be very valuable!

Dont they do something like this in Switzerland?

[revwarrior]

Why learn to shoot if you're 1) not going to own a gun; 2) willing to take the guns from the masses if the revolution starts?

Historically, ALL governments are afraid of an armed citizenry since they have the ability to overthrow an oppressive government.

[mo7amEd]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 01:49 PM
Why learn to shoot if you're 1) not going to own a gun
I would need to learn how to shoot when I'm in Iraq, and it's not going to be hard to own a gun, almost every reletive i know has atleast one AK...

[bolshevik butcher]

Your going to iraq :o . If you can be called up to fight and it could happen then i wouldnt do it, otherwise id do it if i wanted to go through military training.

[TheReadMenace]

Also remembed that we're talking about Sweden.

I'm not too up-to-date on Swedish history, but aren't they pretty neutral? Correct me if I'm wrong (I probably am, because I'm not a Swedish history buff, but whatever).

And I do think that learning military techniques can be useful. I plan on someday teaching myself, going to shooting ranges and stuff like that. You never know, yeah?

Andrew

[slim]

Commie Girl,

Yea in Switzerland there is compulsory conscription for all able bodied males for i think its one or two years. The penalty for not serving is loss of voting rights and citizenship.

[mo7amEd]

Your going to iraq ohmy.gif . If you can be called up to fight and it could happen then i wouldnt do it, otherwise id do it if i wanted to go through military training.

I go to Iraq once in a while to visit reletives...

I could be called, but as said earlier the chance of that happening is like minimum since Sweden traditionally stay neutral in wars (even though they could support Imperialism).


Also remembed that we're talking about Sweden.

I'm not too up-to-date on Swedish history, but aren't they pretty neutral? Correct me if I'm wrong (I probably am, because I'm not a Swedish history buff, but whatever).

And I do think that learning military techniques can be useful. I plan on someday teaching myself, going to shooting ranges and stuff like that. You never know, yeah?

Andrew

Yes they are neutral. Sweden is the only country in the world that haven't been affected by war in over 200 years, and they want to keep it that way. Or so I've heard...


Anyhow, I've decided to do it! Thank y'all for helping me...

[Master Che]

They should do that here.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 08:39 PM
Here in my country their teaching student's how to make chemical weapons. I so far know how to make Napalm, Mustard gas ,Nitroglycerine and Nerve gas. They believe if more people know how to make and use these chemicals they we can use them in a war or something. (Which is good since Brazil is going through Socailism).

You mean you are in Brazil and you are learning to make Napalm? :rolleyes:

Luís Henrique

[Latifa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 08:39 AM
Here in my country their teaching student's how to make chemical weapons. I so far know how to make Napalm, Mustard gas ,Nitroglycerine and Nerve gas. They believe if more people know how to make and use these chemicals they we can use them in a war or something. (Which is good since Brazil is going through Socailism).
Holy crap, you make napalm? In school?

[Commie Rat]

DIY namplam is easy

edited: no bomb making instructions

[metalero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 08:39 PM
(Which is good since Brazil is going through Socailism).
:huh: ?????? I'd say it is going the opposite way, that is a populist government with neoliberal policies.

[Dizz]

I can honestly say that my time in the US Air Force was a productive experience. It's more than just learning to fight, you learn alot of technical skills and discipline that you can apply to other aspects of your life. If you have a strong enough will and don't give in to the brainwashing, it's really quite simple to remain an individual and stay true to your thoughts and ideals. The military is not full of evil people, in fact the majority of people in my experience do it for the paycheck and the college money. I learned a skill, didn't do anything for them, got out, and now they're paying for my degree. And all you have to do is fake an injury to get a disability check from Uncle Sam every other week. Like I said, a positive experience as long as you know how to pimp the system.