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Jimmie Higgins
22nd September 2005, 03:45
Ok, so I'm getting a little impacient here! Why do post-modern ideas continue to hold such sway with so many people? In the academic rehlms, po-mo reigns supreme (despite the claims of right-wingers that marxist ideas are dominant in universities). In art, there seems to be some frustration with post-modernism, but there dosn't seem to be any visable art movements against it.

Realistically, I think that it will take a popular political movement that challenges the self-deafeating and anti-humanist and atomizing ideas that underly po-mo by showing that people (when working and struggling together) are not isolated and helpless against the world. But, damn, that's not even the main reason we need to see a movement like that.

Maybe I am just not that hooked-in with the art world and there are new art movements challenging the ideas of existentialism (if so, please tell me where I can read their books or see their art). I tried to look up articals which argued against post-modern ideas, but all I could find were mostly reactionary and right-wing or christian arguments against "relativism" in postmodern thought and art.

Anyone have any suggestions for readings on this subject or radical art which challenges the assumptions of postmodernism?

I don't know that much about art, but it seems like in the early 20th century there were all these different art movements, some good, others crap, but it seems like all the art movements were trying to find new ways of expressing things and it was exciting. Now it seems like it's all simply business and fads and "if you don't get what I'm trying to say with this piece, well then that's the point of this piece" b.s.

I think some great works have been made in post-modernism, (even if I have political disagreements with the ideas behind the art) but post-modernism has far outlasted any progressive achievements it may have contributed. Now postmodernism just seems like cannibalism: art commenting on nothing and referincing itself.

end of rant.

bcbm
22nd September 2005, 03:58
Have you checked out any Foucault?

FatFreeMilk
22nd September 2005, 04:01
Isn't there more to post modernism than art? Anyways, I don't know much about the subject but apparently my English teacher has told me that it's better than communism, or something like that. I'll ask him again what's a good read cus he knows this kind of shit frontwards and backwards rightside up and upside down.

bcbm
22nd September 2005, 16:53
Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 09:32 PM
Isn't there more to post modernism than art? Anyways, I don't know much about the subject but apparently my English teacher has told me that it's better than communism, or something like that. I'll ask him again what's a good read cus he knows this kind of shit frontwards and backwards rightside up and upside down.
Postmodernism is present in literature, philosophy and architecture, to name a few areas besides art.

Dhul Fiqar
22nd September 2005, 18:17
Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 22 2005, 11:29 AM
Have you checked out any Foucault?
Holy shit, I was about to note that I am a HUGE fan of Foucault and then I noticed your PFLP avatar. I happen to have a few good friends in that organization, nice to meet you comrade! :)

--- G.

Jimmie Higgins
22nd September 2005, 18:33
Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 22 2005, 03:29 AM
Have you checked out any Foucault?
I'm not that familiar with Foucault; didn't he write about prison systems or something?

I tried to read some Derrida, and half of it was really interesting and the other half was totally incomprehensable to me.

And I'm not trying to say that no insights ever came out of post-modern thought, just that, now it seems to be a dead end. If you have a philospohy which is against the idea the thought and society progress, then what's beyond that?