President Islam Karimov of Uzbekistan

[Comrade Hector]

Greetings Comrades!

It would be my pleasure to introduce to you all, a new and yet practically unknown figure in the West. He is a dear friend of George W. Bush, and therefore a "Freedom Fighter", making sure Washington's interests are served 100%. Let's give a great big round of applause to Uzbekistan's own "Defender of Democracy": President ISLAM KARIMOV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_Karimov)!

In May 2005, Islam Karimov ordered a massacre of peaceful protesters: The UZBEK MASSACRE (http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=530712005). The US response was "We're concerned about human rights in Uzbekistan, and we'll encourage president Karimov to respect human rights." End of story. But with an unfriendly dictator like Saddam Hussein, we just don't hear the end of his human rights abuses.

Islam Karimov doesn't execute Uzbek dissidents by shooting them, he boils them alive. Let's look at what happened to Mr. Muzafar Avazov (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3943.htm) (WARNING: Graphic pictures).

We'll let the cappies wish George W. Bush and Islam Karimov the best of luck and success in fighting terrorism and preserving democracy and freedom in the former Soviet Republic.

[Intifada]

Where are all the pro-Bush cappies?

[Goatse]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 07:06 PM
Where are all the pro-Bush cappies?
I was wondering that myself.

Anyway, that's pretty sick. Eurgh. Oh well, food for our fire...

[Amusing Scrotum]

It would be my pleasure to introduce to you all, a new and yet practically unknown figure in the West. He is a dear friend of George W. Bush, and therefore a "Freedom Fighter"

"If fire fighters fight fire, and crime fighters fight crime, what do freedom fighters fight?" - George Carlin on the Contras (labelled "freedom fighters" by Reagan)

Borrowed from CompaneroDeLibertad. ;)


Where are all the pro-Bush cappies?

Hibernating I guess.

Though I must admit, I can't recall a pro Bush Cappie ever being here. The Restricted Members tend to be mainly of the Neo-Liberal type, and for some absurd reason they hate Bush. When basically he stands for what they do.

[quincunx5]

Though I must admit, I can't recall a pro Bush Cappie ever being here. The Restricted Members tend to be mainly of the Neo-Liberal type, and for some absurd reason they hate Bush. When basically he stands for what they do.


Real cappies do not need a government leader to do things for them. That is antithetical to their beliefs.

True capitalism is opposed to war. As it is nothing more than the destruction of capital goods and services.

[Amusing Scrotum]

Real cappies do not need a government leader to do things for them. That is antithetical to their beliefs.

Real Cappies? Are you being serious?

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it is a duck.

If it owns capital like a Capitalist, exploits like a Capitalist, then it is a Capitalist.


True capitalism is opposed to war. As it is nothing more than the destruction of capital goods and services.


Huh? Why would a Capitalist arms maker be opposed to war, when it is great for business. Or are you not a True Capitalist if you own a company that makes guns and bombs?
Plus the American Capitalists seem to have done well out of Iraq.

[Andy Bowden]

I havent seen many Halliburton execs on anti-war demos :D

[Amusing Scrotum]

I havent seen many Halliburton execs on anti-war demos

I suppose quincunx5 will soon butt in again, telling you how they are not real Capitalists.

Go figure. :unsure:

[Freedom Works]

Real capitalists support free enterprise.

The capitalists you are thinking of are "State Capitalism" capitalists.
They aren't real capitalists.

[Andy Bowden]

In what respect are they "state capitalists"? Throughout history Capitalists from the British East India corp to ITT have been in favour of military securing of their markets.

"You can't have Mc Donalds without Mc Donnell Douglas"

[quincunx5]

Huh? Why would a Capitalist arms maker be opposed to war, when it is great for business. Or are you not a True Capitalist if you own a company that makes guns and bombs?


Weapons destroy more than the cost of making the weapon.
The arms dealer will indeed be for war. But he can't declare war without the State's approval.



Plus the American Capitalists seem to have done well out of Iraq.


The American Statists seem to have done well out of Iraq.



Real Cappies? Are you being serious?
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it is a duck.
If it owns capital like a Capitalist, exploits like a Capitalist, then it is a Capitalist.


Capitalism is nothing more than trading, saving, and reinvesting.
Capitalism == Progress.
It has always existed with or without government.

The enrichment of people through capitalism is inversely proportional to the size of government.

The confusion between us is that I feel Real capitalists don't need government. I can just change Real capitalists to anarch-capitalists, minarchists, and libertatrians, if that is more suitable for you.

[Amusing Scrotum]

The confusion between us is that I feel Real capitalists don't need government. I can just change Real capitalists to anarch-capitalists, minarchists, and libertatrians, if that is more suitable for you.

They are all "Real Capitalists", just like Marxists, Leninists, Stalinists, Maoists etc. are all Communists. While you may prefer one of the sub catergories, that doesn't mean the other offspring ideologies are any less Capitalist. Just as Communists have to accept Stalinism, however detestable it is, Capitalists have to accept Neo-Conservatives and Facists as part of their ideological umbrella.
If this were not the case then the people on OI wouldn't constantly link every Communist with Russia and China.

One other point, you say Capitalists see war as pointless as "It is nothing more than the destruction of capital goods and services", however you also state Capitalism has "Always existed since the formation of civilization, aka Neolithic period."
Now I'm sure you realise that there was no war, state vs. state, before the Neolithic period. So you are contradicting your own statement that "True capitalism is opposed to war." As it seems, by your definition of Capitalism, since there has been Capitalism, there has been war. The two go hand in hand, therefore the idea you have that war is not profitable, is absurd. War brings with it spoils, i.e. more Capital.

[Comrade Hector]

Hmm, I think this is a little of the topic. I had hoped the cappies that posted here would give a little defense to Bush's friend is Uzbekistan. But like usual its a pointless effort. They have no argument, just like the debates that Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega, and Pol Pot were once US "Freedom Fighters".

[Loknar]

we should kill this bastard first, then become friends with the new guy in charge. if he boils his people too then we should also kill him as well.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 05:24 AM
we should kill this bastard first, then become friends with the new guy in charge. if he boils his people too then we should also kill him as well.
How about the US stops fucking about with foreign powers?

[Loknar]

Funny, if the Russians were still dominating the areas you wouldnt see anything wrong with it.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 06:48 PM
Funny, if the Russians were still dominating the areas you wouldnt see anything wrong with it.
Actually I would, I have no taste for Soviet imperialism either

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 08:01 PM
Weapons destroy more than the cost of making the weapon.
So what? Capitalists don't pay for it, it's paid for by taxing the general population. It's a net wealth transfer from the poor to the rich. War between nations is war between classes, it's a way for capitalists to rob workers. We pay to wage stupid imperialist wars, sometimes with our lives, they make lots of money off it. Because companies can make lots of money this way and it serves the class interests of the capitalists they strongly lobby the government in favor of militarism and conduct propaganda campaigns demonizing whatever latest boogeyman they've conjured up (the Soviets, the Contras, Noriega, Ghadaffi, Milosevic, Bin Laden, Hussein, etc) to justify wasting gazillions of $$$ on the military. Because they literally own the media these propaganda campaigns can sometimes be quite effective. Even media outlets that aren't owned by the same company that makes money off of militarism can't be too critical of it unless they want to lose advertising dollars.

Capitalism is inherently statist. Companies naturally seek to maximize their profit, even if it hurts innocents, trashes liberty, or destroys the enviroment. Those companies that don't will be outcompeted on the market and probably go out of business. Even if they stay in business they'll be small and the economy will be dominated by companies that do whatever they can to maximize profit. If a government doesn't implement statist policies that favor big business then it will cause capital flight, which will hurt the economy and thereby hurt the government by reducing its tax revenues and imparing its ability to use that economy for its own purposes (like defeating a rival state or subduing rebellion). Companies will always go where the profit is and, all other things being equal, they'll make more profit in a country where the government subsidizes big business and suppresses labor rights than one that practices a laissez-faire policy. The threat of capital flight thereby forces governments to enact statist policies that favor capitalists. Since robbing from the poor to give to the rich isn't the most popular idea around and has the potential to cause unrest (which threatens both the government and the corporations) the government will usually make up various excuses to justify subsidizing large corporations and may not even call it a subsidy at all. One of the most effective excuses is militarism: just scare the population into believing there's some evil enemy who has the desire and capability to kill all of us and you'll get loads of people lining up to support militarism & war to defend us from the boogeyman of the week.

The same drive to use the government to increase profits would lead companies to come together and create one if no government existed.

[Capitalist Lawyer]

From the Wikipedia Article:


Karimov was born in Samarkand to an Uzbek father and a Tajik mother, and was raised in a Soviet state orphanage. After studying engineering and economics in Tashkent, he became an official in the Communist Party.




Karimov is fighting against Islamist rebels trying to overthrow his secularist government, and who are believed responsible for terrorist bombings that occurred in late March 2004.

I thought you guys support secularist governments? Shouldn't you be applauding this guy for stamping out superstition?

Oh yeah, and he was a communist.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I thought you guys support secularist governments? Shouldn't you be applauding this guy for stamping out superstition?

Not if the secular government is as bad as a theocracy.


Oh yeah, and he was a communist.

By that same measure you should support Adolf Hitler because he was a capitalist.

Just because someone calls themselves communist doesn't automatically make them a comrade. Use your fucking brain.

[Freedom Works]

By that same measure you should support Adolf Hitler because he was a capitalist.
Adolf Hitler was a statist, not a capitalist.

[Amusing Scrotum]

Adolf Hitler was a statist, not a capitalist.

Statists are Capitalists you don't like. Capitalists that you wish did not spoil the basis for your ultra-Capitalist ideology by pointing out its flaws. To deny the problems your ideology spawns, shows the ultimate stupidity of your political beliefs.

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 09:04 PM


Though I must admit, I can't recall a pro Bush Cappie ever being here. The Restricted Members tend to be mainly of the Neo-Liberal type, and for some absurd reason they hate Bush. When basically he stands for what they do.


Real cappies do not need a government leader to do things for them. That is antithetical to their beliefs.

True capitalism is opposed to war. As it is nothing more than the destruction of capital goods and services.
This is dogma, bordering on the religious.

In real life, (not your university textbook :lol:) you have to dig deeper to understand reality. In reality, what state (or lack of) a system has is not what defines it (as the state is nothing more really than an organ of class rule).* What makes a society capitalist is a class of people who privately own the means of economic production, and extract a surplus from it. The correct definition of capitalism is essentially a society that accumulates capital/commodities from production.


* the modern bourgeois state was built by the taxes and revenues of the emerging capitalist class, see chapter one of the German Ideology

[Freedom Works]

Statists are Capitalists you don't like.
Using that invalid reasoning, anarcho-capitalists are anarchists you don't like.


To deny the problems your ideology spawns, shows the ultimate stupidity of your political beliefs.
Right back atcha.

[Amusing Scrotum]

Using that invalid reasoning, anarcho-capitalists are anarchists you don't like.

Anarcho-Capitalists are irrelevant to me, as I am a Communist. That line of debate is only suitable when directed at an Anarchist. Though it is an interesting question, that I would like to see an Anarchist answer.


Right back atcha.

I don't deny Stalin or Mao were Communists. Or that Stalinism or Maoism are strains of Communist thought. They are unsuccessful, failed ideologies that I reject, but must also accept, as to avoid their mistakes. Though the case could be made, as Russia and China were State Capitalist, that they are failed strains of Capitalist thought.

You see the difference between you and I, is that I accept the failures of my ideology and work to correct them. Where as you call the failures of your ideology, which are far greater, something else. And refuse to accept them as a criticism. Basically putting your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes and saying "Ahhhhhhhhh". This is no foundation on which to form or debate political beliefs.

[Comrade Hector]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 05:24 AM
we should kill this bastard first, then become friends with the new guy in charge. if he boils his people too then we should also kill him as well.
But the US only kills their friends when their friends make the mistake of wanting independence from American hegemony. Islam Karimov is 100% loyal to Washington. So why should they kill him?

[Shiva Star]

Originally posted by "Comrade Hector"+--> ("Comrade Hector")Greetings Comrades!

It would be my pleasure to introduce to you all, a new and yet practically unknown figure in the West. He is a dear friend of George W. Bush, and therefore a "Freedom Fighter", making sure Washington's interests are served 100%. Let's give a great big round of applause to Uzbekistan's own "Defender of Democracy": President ISLAM KARIMOV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_Karimov)! [/b]

*fap fap fap* *Punches I$lam KKKarimov in his face* Then again, the U$A's friends tend to not be well known for their human rights.


"Comrade Hector"
Islam Karimov doesn't execute Uzbek dissidents by shooting them, he boils them alive. Let's look at what happened to Mr. Muzafar Avazov (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3943.htm) (WARNING: Graphic pictures).
:unsure: :blink: That's comforting. Now I have more reason to avoid Uzbekistan.

EDIT: What exactly did Mr. Avazov do to "earn" that?

[Korol Aferist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 06:48 PM
Funny, if the Russians were still dominating the areas you wouldnt see anything wrong with it.
Eee dee nuk houy BLAYTZ !

Ya uzbeki!
(this means "go f8ck yourself ,blamsphous whore, I'm Uzbeki)

HAHAHAHHAHA

The people of uzbekistan support U.S.A. for the fear of Russians.
They don't want anymore russians.
Uzbekistan lease some of it land to U.S.A. use of a U.S. Air Force base for the cheapest price ever truly undervalued because of its location it should cost more the ones in Turkey but U.S.A. is paying for it for less than small fraction for the price of the ones in Turkey.

And those that got killed in the masscre were actually people trying to free TERRORISTS, others that kill the people one by one.

[Intifada]

What exactly did Mr. Avazov do to "earn" that?

Islam Karimov's regime accuses innocent people like Mr. Avazov of being Islamic extremists.

[Korol Aferist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 06:45 PM

What exactly did Mr. Avazov do to "earn" that?

Islam Karimov's regime accuses innocent people like Mr. Avazov of being Islamic extremists.
There is Islamic Etremeists in Uzbekistan.
I go back and forth from here to Uzbekistan and Alzerbaijan.
It's filled with them, it's truly sad.

[Intifada]

Originally posted by Korol Aferist+Sep 29 2005, 06:49 PM--> (Korol Aferist @ Sep 29 2005, 06:49 PM)
[email protected] 29 2005, 06:45 PM

What exactly did Mr. Avazov do to "earn" that?

Islam Karimov's regime accuses innocent people like Mr. Avazov of being Islamic extremists.
There is Islamic Etremeists in Uzbekistan.
I go back and forth from here to Uzbekistan and Alzerbaijan.
It's filled with them, it's truly sad. [/b]
Some objective evidence of that would be nice.

I can provide you with many reports that agree that Islam Karimov is nothing but a maniacal tyrant, who randomly arrests and tortures innocent people, for crimes including having a beard or being caught praying.

May I also add the fact that members of secular opposition parties and organisations, such as Erk and Birlik, are also suppressed and jailed unfairly.

Why should I believe you of all people?

[Korol Aferist]

Originally posted by Intifada+Sep 29 2005, 06:56 PM--> (Intifada @ Sep 29 2005, 06:56 PM)
Originally posted by Korol [email protected] 29 2005, 06:49 PM

[email protected] 29 2005, 06:45 PM

What exactly did Mr. Avazov do to "earn" that?

Islam Karimov's regime accuses innocent people like Mr. Avazov of being Islamic extremists.
There is Islamic Etremeists in Uzbekistan.
I go back and forth from here to Uzbekistan and Alzerbaijan.
It's filled with them, it's truly sad.
Some objective evidence of that would be nice.

I can provide you with many reports that agree that Islam Karimov is nothing but a maniacal tyrant.

Why should I believe you of all people? [/b]
Hmm, I dunno, We got to see all the stats of dead bodies 'caused by the extremists
and compare it to the stats of the dead extremists(including the dead of the massacre), hmmm.
A lot fucking more then you think.
Esp after those fuckin' five women blown themselves up, from which, the people ask karimov to show some tough love.

[Intifada]

Hmm, I dunno, We got to see all the stats of dead bodies 'caused by the extremists
and compare it to the stats of the dead extremists(including the dead of the massacre), hmmm.
A lot fucking more then you think.
Esp after those fuckin' five women blown themselves up, from which, the people ask karimov to show some tough love.

Interesting how you basically ignored all that I said.

May I also warn you to stop flaming.

Anyway, let's see what some Human Rights Groups think of your beloved Islam Karimov:

Profile of President Islam Karimov (http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/03/karimovprof.htm)

Read the quotes the give you, and tell me he isn't a maniac.

Massive Crackdown (http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/09/20/uzbeki11762.htm)

Uzbekistan Rewrites the Story of the Andijan Massacre (http://hrw.org/reports/2005/uzbekistan0905/)

Andijan Massacre (http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/06/07/uzbeki11077.htm)

"Bullets were falling like rain." (http://hrw.org/reports/2005/uzbekistan0605/)

Religious Persecution in Uzbekistan (http://hrw.org/reports/2004/uzbekistan0304/)

Uzbekistan: Lifting the siege on the truth about Andizhan (http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGEUR620232005)

I could go on and on.

[Korol Aferist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 07:18 PM

Hmm, I dunno, We got to see all the stats of dead bodies 'caused by the extremists
and compare it to the stats of the dead extremists(including the dead of the massacre), hmmm.
A lot fucking more then you think.
Esp after those fuckin' five women blown themselves up, from which, the people ask karimov to show some tough love.

Interesting how you basically ignored all that I said.

May I also warn you to stop flaming.

Anyway, let's see what some Human Rights Groups think of your beloved Islam Karimov:

Profile of President Islam Karimov (http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/03/karimovprof.htm)

Read the quotes the give you, and tell me he isn't a maniac.

Massive Crackdown (http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/09/20/uzbeki11762.htm)

Uzbekistan Rewrites the Story of the Andijan Massacre (http://hrw.org/reports/2005/uzbekistan0905/)

Andijan Massacre (http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/06/07/uzbeki11077.htm)

"Bullets were falling like rain." (http://hrw.org/reports/2005/uzbekistan0605/)

Religious Persecution in Uzbekistan (http://hrw.org/reports/2004/uzbekistan0304/)

Uzbekistan: Lifting the siege on the truth about Andizhan (http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGEUR620232005)

I could go on and on.
This is such a sigh to argue with you.
You're an outsider not an Uzbeki nor Russian nor any ethnic belonging to the former U.S.S.R. nor lived in any Central Asian country.We're not religious people, We don't care for extremists in any form even the ones that kill their own people.

Yesh most the links is to the human rights watch;it's a well known fact they're not a reliable resource.

I did read all the bullcrap you wrote and my reply to you is to go check the numbers look how many extremists the Uzbeki government killed and check how much Uzbekis the extremists killed.


Then again,you'll never understand because I'm actually a socialist with views not likes yours and the others because of this and this what's is about execrating other leftists with not the same views then I'm not leftist anymore,now,I see now that's the leftist is the new rightist.

Don't get into Central Asian affairs if you're an outsider because you'll never understand.bbbbbbbbbbbbbbb

[Intifada]

Originally posted by Korol Aferist+Oct 1 2005, 08:47 PM--> (Korol Aferist @ Oct 1 2005, 08:47 PM)
[email protected] 29 2005, 07:18 PM

Hmm, I dunno, We got to see all the stats of dead bodies 'caused by the extremists
and compare it to the stats of the dead extremists(including the dead of the massacre), hmmm.
A lot fucking more then you think.
Esp after those fuckin' five women blown themselves up, from which, the people ask karimov to show some tough love.

Interesting how you basically ignored all that I said.

May I also warn you to stop flaming.

Anyway, let's see what some Human Rights Groups think of your beloved Islam Karimov:

Profile of President Islam Karimov (http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/03/karimovprof.htm)

Read the quotes the give you, and tell me he isn't a maniac.

Massive Crackdown (http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/09/20/uzbeki11762.htm)

Uzbekistan Rewrites the Story of the Andijan Massacre (http://hrw.org/reports/2005/uzbekistan0905/)

Andijan Massacre (http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/06/07/uzbeki11077.htm)

"Bullets were falling like rain." (http://hrw.org/reports/2005/uzbekistan0605/)

Religious Persecution in Uzbekistan (http://hrw.org/reports/2004/uzbekistan0304/)

Uzbekistan: Lifting the siege on the truth about Andizhan (http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGEUR620232005)

I could go on and on.
This is such a sigh to argue with you.
You're an outsider not an Uzbeki nor Russian nor any ethnic belonging to the former U.S.S.R. nor lived in any Central Asian country.We're not religious people, We don't care for extremists in any form even the ones that kill their own people.

Yesh most the links is to the human rights watch;it's a well known fact they're not a reliable resource.

I did read all the bullcrap you wrote and my reply to you is to go check the numbers look how many extremists the Uzbeki government killed and check how much Uzbekis the extremists killed.


Then again,you'll never understand because I'm actually a socialist with views not likes yours and the others because of this and this what's is about execrating other leftists with not the same views then I'm not leftist anymore,now,I see now that's the leftist is the new rightist.

Don't get into Central Asian affairs if you're an outsider because you'll never understand.bbbbbbbbbbbbbbb [/b]
To be perfectly honest, I never really expected a decent and objective response from you.

Oh well.

[Korol Aferist]

Originally posted by Intifada+Oct 2 2005, 10:17 AM--> (Intifada @ Oct 2 2005, 10:17 AM)
Originally posted by Korol [email protected] 1 2005, 08:47 PM

[email protected] 29 2005, 07:18 PM

Hmm, I dunno, We got to see all the stats of dead bodies 'caused by the extremists
and compare it to the stats of the dead extremists(including the dead of the massacre), hmmm.
A lot fucking more then you think.
Esp after those fuckin' five women blown themselves up, from which, the people ask karimov to show some tough love.

Interesting how you basically ignored all that I said.

May I also warn you to stop flaming.

Anyway, let's see what some Human Rights Groups think of your beloved Islam Karimov:

Profile of President Islam Karimov (http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/03/karimovprof.htm)

Read the quotes the give you, and tell me he isn't a maniac.

Massive Crackdown (http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/09/20/uzbeki11762.htm)

Uzbekistan Rewrites the Story of the Andijan Massacre (http://hrw.org/reports/2005/uzbekistan0905/)

Andijan Massacre (http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/06/07/uzbeki11077.htm)

"Bullets were falling like rain." (http://hrw.org/reports/2005/uzbekistan0605/)

Religious Persecution in Uzbekistan (http://hrw.org/reports/2004/uzbekistan0304/)

Uzbekistan: Lifting the siege on the truth about Andizhan (http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGEUR620232005)

I could go on and on.
This is such a sigh to argue with you.
You're an outsider not an Uzbeki nor Russian nor any ethnic belonging to the former U.S.S.R. nor lived in any Central Asian country.We're not religious people, We don't care for extremists in any form even the ones that kill their own people.

Yesh most the links is to the human rights watch;it's a well known fact they're not a reliable resource.

I did read all the bullcrap you wrote and my reply to you is to go check the numbers look how many extremists the Uzbeki government killed and check how much Uzbekis the extremists killed.


Then again,you'll never understand because I'm actually a socialist with views not likes yours and the others because of this and this what's is about execrating other leftists with not the same views then I'm not leftist anymore,now,I see now that's the leftist is the new rightist.

Don't get into Central Asian affairs if you're an outsider because you'll never understand.bbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
To be perfectly honest, I never really expected a decent and objective response from you.

Oh well. [/b]
And what should this means ?

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by Korol [email protected] 1 2005, 08:47 PM
This is such a sigh to argue with you.
You're an outsider not an Uzbeki nor Russian nor any ethnic belonging to the former U.S.S.R. nor lived in any Central Asian country.We're not religious people, We don't care for extremists in any form even the ones that kill their own people.

Yesh most the links is to the human rights watch;it's a well known fact they're not a reliable resource.

I did read all the bullcrap you wrote and my reply to you is to go check the numbers look how many extremists the Uzbeki government killed and check how much Uzbekis the extremists killed.


Then again,you'll never understand because I'm actually a socialist with views not likes yours and the others because of this and this what's is about execrating other leftists with not the same views then I'm not leftist anymore,now,I see now that's the leftist is the new rightist.

Don't get into Central Asian affairs if you're an outsider because you'll never understand.bbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
Alright, you are not allowed to talk international politics because you'll never understand. What is there to understand about someone calling in their army and gunning down hundreds and hundreds of innocents? I fail to see that this would be okay in Central Asia. I think most people worldwide have a natural abhorrence of bloodshed and cruelty.

[Intifada]

And what should this means ?


It means that until you reply to my post properly, I shall not waste my time arguing with you.

[allixpeeke]

I've been opposing that scum Karimov for a long-ass time.

[Comrade Hector]

Originally posted by Korol Afer[email protected] 29 2005, 06:54 PM
The people of uzbekistan support U.S.A. for the fear of Russians.
They don't want anymore russians.
Uzbekistan lease some of it land to U.S.A. use of a U.S. Air Force base for the cheapest price ever truly undervalued because of its location it should cost more the ones in Turkey but U.S.A. is paying for it for less than small fraction for the price of the ones in Turkey.

And those that got killed in the masscre were actually people trying to free TERRORISTS, others that kill the people one by one.
The American definition of a terrorist is any nation that opposes it's policies. Like in Nazi Germany you were an "undesirable" if you didn't match "Aryan Purity". You know it didn't really look much like "Freeing Terrorists" but more like Uzbeks excersizing their right to freedom of speech and getting massacred by a pro-Washington dictator. I find it hard to believe that especially after this massacre the average Uzbek is still fond of Bush's puppet. As for "fear of Russians", this is just people like you trying to think like right-wing Americans. Because you want to be one of the big boys, right? You want to join the western gang and become an imperialist badass, correct? Just like those suburban American white boys thinking they can be hard core like the gangmembers of the inner cities.