g'day...questions

[bourgeois adventurist]

I come from an insurrectionary anti-civilization anarchist perspective, not a popular or well-understood view on this board apparently. Some of my influences include Max Stirner, situationists, Fredy Perlman, John Zerzan, Wolfi Landstreicher, Alfredo Bonanno, some anti-state communism.

I myself reject the "the left" and am pretty suspicious about "revolution" as well. So maybe I'll find myself in the "opposing ideologies" section, but then I reject ideology too.

I'm having trouble figuring out what are the common principles/ideologies of 'Rev Left' -- can anyone explain them? It seems here that anarchists are compatible with authoritarians commies such as leninists. How does that work?!?

-ta

[Black Dagger]

bourgeois adventurist

So you're bourgeois? :)



I come from an insurrectionary anti-civilization anarchist perspective

Why are you anti-civilisation? This is what has produced the technology with which you now communicate, not to mention the electricty powering the lights in your room, the computer you are using, and whatever you are drinking/eating from.

How is anarchism an anti-civilisation perspective? That is, how do you justify the addition of the term 'anarchist' to your self-description.

It would be logical to call yourself an 'anti-civilisation insurrectionist' or a 'insurrectionary anti-civilisationist'- the 'anarchist' part adds nothing to the meaning of your ideology.

Is the logical conclusion of "insurrectionary anti-civilization anarchist perspective", a popular insurrection to destroy contemporary society and replace it with... whatever happens to evolve after? What happens if a 'new' civilisation evovles? Insurrection?

Humans are not inherently social animals who tend to the elaboration of large social groupings, aka. societies?




I myself reject the "the left"

What's 'the left'?



and am pretty suspicious about "revolution" as well.

Why?
And you're an insurrectionist no?



So maybe I'll find myself in the "opposing ideologies" section

Extremely likely, as you're a nihilist.


... but then I reject ideology too.

Why don't you reject insurrectionary anti-civilization anarchism? aka. primitivism too?



I'm having trouble figuring out what are the common principles/ideologies of 'Rev Left' -- can anyone explain them?

RL is a community, it has no real personalised traits or 'ideologies' outside of being 'anti-capitalist', 'revolutionary' and 'left'.



It seems here that anarchists are compatible with authoritarians commies such as leninists.

It seems that you can intellectually justify 'insurrectionary anti-civilization anarchism' to yourself, how does that work?


How does that work?!?[/

Not that great.

[bourgeois adventurist]

Black Dagger: “Why are you anti-civilisation?...How is anarchism an anti-civilisation perspective? That is, how do you justify the addition of the term 'anarchist' to your self-description.”

I’m an anarchist because I desire a community based on autonomy, mutual aid and voluntary association. Because I value those things, I am against civilization, which I see as the foundation of class society and the alienation of individuals from themselves, others and the natural world.

Anti-civ is a current of contemporary anarchism, so I guess adding ‘anarchist’ to ‘anti-civ’ is superfluous in that regard. Though there are quite a few anti-state commies and others who’ve also gone anti-civ.


“What's 'the left'?”

A dying dinosaur blocking the way to liberation.

There are some common features among all the different schools and movements that view themselves as “left”, which a growing number of anarchists realize are holding back struggles for liberation.

These include: a political perception of social struggle, organizationalism, democracy, reformism, “progress”, identity politics, collectivism, and ideology.

Heres a good brief article explaining post-left anarchy:
http://www.geocities.com/kk_abacus/ioaa/life.html

Heres others and a debate between the two sides:
http://www.infoshop.org/afterleftism.html

“Why? And you're an insurrectionist no”

Different things. Revolution seems to me inextricably linked with ideology, mass movements, manipulation, and the seizure rather than abolition of power. I distinguish revolution with insurrection, the autonomous resistance of self-organized individuals and small groups on a large scale, as opposed to a monolithic mass mobilizing under a vague ideology for a supposed common goal.


“Extremely likely, as you're a nihilist”

Ha ha. Why am I a “nihilist”? Because I refuse to put absolute faith in an ideology?; because I think for myself rather than distort all my thoughts and experiences to conform to an ideology, ignoring those that can’t?

In that case you’re an Idealist, a religious slave who’s merely swapped some other alienating abstraction for God.

If you can’t differentiate between theory and ideology you, like any God-fearing person, would think me a nihilist. Theory is when people have ideas. Ideologies are when ideas have people. And in Guy Debord’s words, “Revolutionary theory is the enemy of all revolutionary ideology, and knows it”.

It looks like this board, with its “opposing ideologies” section, is ideological through and through.


“RL is a community, it has no real personalised traits or 'ideologies' outside of being 'anti-capitalist', 'revolutionary' and 'left'.”

What’s your definition of ‘revolutionary’ and ‘left’? These are incredibly vague, practically meaningless, and often contradictory terms.

Most revolutionary leftists subscribe to some form of authoritarianism, e.g. Leninism or Maoism. What is the important distinction between left and right authoritarianism? Between left-wing or red fascism and right-wing fascism?

From this arbitrary distinction it would follow that your definition of ‘anti-capitalism’ includes, paradoxically, red-painted state-capitalism, e.g. leninism and maoism.

How can groups with fundamentally opposing conceptions of society coexist in a community?

How coherent or deep can analysis and communication be if groups here don’t agree on basic principles and goals?

This incoherence is characteristic of the left. The terms ‘revolutionary’ and ‘left’ are purposely vague and along the lines of the lowest common denominator, because this way leftists hope to build and manipulate a mass movement of zombies who’ll sacrifice themselves for a new ideal – the people! the nation! the proletariat! Humanity! – while perpetuating their own individual slavery.

[The Grey Blur]

Whoa, what a way to begin your membership of Revleft - a massive arguement!
Fair Play

[Organic Revolution]

im just gonna say hi.

[workersunity]

ya same here, for now, welcome