Palestinian Refugees Donate to Survivors

[Free Palestine]

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article4174.shtml


Palestinian Refugees Donate to Survivors of Hurricane Katrina
Report, PTT, 13 September 2005


RAMALLAH -- Palestinian refugees, moved by the plight of survivors of Hurricane Katrina will present US Consul-General, Jake Wallace, with a $10,000 donation to the American Red Cross. The donation will be given today (13 September 2005) at 12 noon at the President’s Office in Ramallah.

Dr. Rafiq Husseini, Chief of Staff of President Mahmoud Abbas will offer the donation on behalf of the President and Palestinian refugees. The donation will be earmarked to those survivors most affected by the Hurricane – the displaced poor, elderly and disabled. Money was recently collected by Palestinian refugees in the refugee camps of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Commenting on the donation, President Abbas notes, "On behalf of the Palestinian people and, in particular, the refugee communities of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, I wish to express our deepest sympathy with the survivors of Hurricane Katrina. With our humble donation, we feel it is important to show our concern since Palestinians know all too well the pain and hardship caused by being a refugee. We pray that they will soon be able to return to their homes."

Can you imagine going around refugee camps where people live in miserable conditions and collecting money for the citizens of the country that sends Israel aircrafts loaded with helicopter gunships and other destructive weaponry to kill Palestinians?

[James]

Whats the link?

[Intifada]

Can you imagine going around refugee camps where people live in miserable conditions and collecting money for the citizens of the country that sends Israel aircrafts loaded with helicopter gunships and other destructive weaponry to kill Palestinians?

Most of those American citizens are not aware of the suffering their tax money pays for.

I am amazed at how the oppressed Palestinian people can still take their time to think of and help the poor citizens of the US.

I support their action.

[bolshevik butcher]

This seems like a very genorous donation from opressed people. Yeh, its not the average american's fault, what the U$ governmnet does.

[guerillablack]

Originally posted by Free [email protected] 14 2005, 12:18 PM
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article4174.shtml


Palestinian Refugees Donate to Survivors of Hurricane Katrina
Report, PTT, 13 September 2005


RAMALLAH -- Palestinian refugees, moved by the plight of survivors of Hurricane Katrina will present US Consul-General, Jake Wallace, with a $10,000 donation to the American Red Cross. The donation will be given today (13 September 2005) at 12 noon at the President’s Office in Ramallah.

Dr. Rafiq Husseini, Chief of Staff of President Mahmoud Abbas will offer the donation on behalf of the President and Palestinian refugees. The donation will be earmarked to those survivors most affected by the Hurricane – the displaced poor, elderly and disabled. Money was recently collected by Palestinian refugees in the refugee camps of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Commenting on the donation, President Abbas notes, "On behalf of the Palestinian people and, in particular, the refugee communities of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, I wish to express our deepest sympathy with the survivors of Hurricane Katrina. With our humble donation, we feel it is important to show our concern since Palestinians know all too well the pain and hardship caused by being a refugee. We pray that they will soon be able to return to their homes."

Can you imagine going around refugee camps where people live in miserable conditions and collecting money for the citizens of the country that sends Israel aircrafts loaded with helicopter gunships and other destructive weaponry to kill Palestinians?
Most African Americans in New Orleans aren't affiliated with Israel.

[workersunity]

see it takes the people to help eachother not some bourgeois "officials"

[perdido]

I think it is pathetic how I check CNN.com and MSNBC.com everyday yet I see very little or nothing on the generosity of other countries. All I see is a bunch of people pointing fingers and trying to figure out who is to blame instead of helping out their fellow citizens. I just don't understand some people...

[James]

I wasn't being funny by asking for the link, i simply can't find this anywhere else though.


Its good to see the kindness in these people's hearts.

Shouldn't let hatred of America and israel blind you though: true, they support israel in general, but they also put pressure on israel for withdrawals and also the establishement of a pal state. Thats often forgotten by many.

[Dark Exodus]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 11:44 AM
Shouldn't let hatred of America and israel blind you though: true, they support israel in general, but they also put pressure on israel for withdrawals and also the establishement of a pal state. Thats often forgotten by many.
Why do they veto just about every bill against Isreal then?

[bolshevik butcher]

The U$' actions that are remotley against sirael are jsut toaken gestures. They mgiht be doing htat but they also donate something like $5 billion in aid every yr. I think that acitons speak louder htan words in tehs case thrankly.

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 08:29 PM
Most African Americans in New Orleans aren't affiliated with Israel.
Where did he say 'African Americans'? I seem to interperate it as just the poor, NOT specifically one race or ethnic group.

[Free Palestine]

I wasn't being funny by asking for the link, i simply can't find this anywhere else though.

I included a link in the initial post right after you asked for it... I'm not sure why you're still talking about the source.


Most African Americans in New Orleans aren't affiliated with Israel.

That was never my contention.


Shouldn't let hatred of America and israel blind you though: true, they support israel in general, but they also put pressure on israel for withdrawals and also the establishement of a pal state. Thats often forgotten by many.

-Israel receives over $5 billion dollars annually in both military and economic aid from the American taxpayer. Israel is one of the richest countries in the world, with a per-capita income of $21,000, yet receives $1,200 per person from the United States with no strings attached.

-Whenever Israel invades one of its neighbors or kills innocent civilians (as it routinely does), the United States is prompt to veto any United Nations resolutions that criticize Israel. Israel is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. vetoes.

-The U.S. could not even bring itself to condemn the Qana Lebanese refugee camp massacre in which over 100 civilians, including two American boys from Michigan, were killed, in which a U.N. investigation found Israel to be at fault. When a vote was taken in the United Nations to condemn Israel for the killings, the United States was the only country to vote against the condemnation. What does that tell the rest of the world?

-Israel has been given free access to U.S. technology, which it has been illegally re-exporting to the People's Republic of China, India, and others. This technology is going into weapon systems that one day might be used against us.

-Israel has nuclear weapons that were developed with the technology and materials stolen from the United States. According to federal law, aid to countries who build nuclear weapons is illegal. Israel has not even joined the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty to permit inspection of its facilities.

-The Israeli lobby has effectively blocked American business relations with countries that Israel considers enemies, like Iran and Syria.

-The U.S. taxpayer (who was not asked if he approved of his money being used in this fashion) funds Israeli settlements that occupy lands that were seized from its neighbors in 1967. Continuing the occupation with all its inhumanity and exacerbating it by expelling the original inhabitants and creating new settlements is immoral and illegal and in no one's interest.

U.S. policy in the Middle East is outrageously lopsided in unquestionable support of Israel. The U.S. holds unquestionable protection of Israel and refuses to condemn the Jewish State no matter what violations of international and human rights it commits on a daily basis. Israel lives beyond its means and is immune from criticism due to American protection.

[citizen_snips]

In all fairness, the US government's unconditional support of Israel isn't even slightly decided by the people of New Orleans (and surrounding areas) who live in poverty, so blaming them for US foreign policy is a bit ridiculous. Support from Palestinians is doubtless meant for these people suffering in these places, who deserve help (even if their leader deserves a nasty comeuppance)!

[Free Palestine]

In all fairness, the US government's unconditional support of Israel isn't even slightly decided by the people of New Orleans (and surrounding areas) who live in poverty, so blaming them for US foreign policy is a bit ridiculous.

Show me where I said that. <_<

[citizen_snips]

I didn&#39;t say you said that, it was just a general point. If someone were to say that Palestinians shouldn&#39;t help those people, for those reasons, then it would be a bit ridiculous. As it happens I don&#39;t think anyone has said that.

[James]

Why do they veto just about every bill against Isreal then?

Well i said: "they support israel in general, but they also put pressure on israel for withdrawals and also the establishement of a pal state". I don&#39;t see how your comment relates to what i said.

+ + +


I included a link in the initial post right after you asked for it... I&#39;m not sure why you&#39;re still talking about the source

yeah i saw that, thank you. I asked because i couldn&#39;t find it googling, which surprised me because i had thought something of this significance would have been quite easy to find.



-Israel receives over &#036;5 billion dollars annually in both military and economic aid from the American taxpayer. Israel is one of the richest countries in the world, with a per-capita income of &#036;21,000, yet receives &#036;1,200 per person from the United States with no strings attached.

-Whenever Israel invades one of its neighbors or kills innocent civilians (as it routinely does), the United States is prompt to veto any United Nations resolutions that criticize Israel. Israel is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. vetoes.

-The U.S. could not even bring itself to condemn the Qana Lebanese refugee camp massacre in which over 100 civilians, including two American boys from Michigan, were killed, in which a U.N. investigation found Israel to be at fault. When a vote was taken in the United Nations to condemn Israel for the killings, the United States was the only country to vote against the condemnation. What does that tell the rest of the world?

-Israel has been given free access to U.S. technology, which it has been illegally re-exporting to the People&#39;s Republic of China, India, and others. This technology is going into weapon systems that one day might be used against us.

-Israel has nuclear weapons that were developed with the technology and materials stolen from the United States. According to federal law, aid to countries who build nuclear weapons is illegal. Israel has not even joined the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty to permit inspection of its facilities.

-The Israeli lobby has effectively blocked American business relations with countries that Israel considers enemies, like Iran and Syria.

-The U.S. taxpayer (who was not asked if he approved of his money being used in this fashion) funds Israeli settlements that occupy lands that were seized from its neighbors in 1967. Continuing the occupation with all its inhumanity and exacerbating it by expelling the original inhabitants and creating new settlements is immoral and illegal and in no one&#39;s interest.

U.S. policy in the Middle East is outrageously lopsided in unquestionable support of Israel. The U.S. holds unquestionable protection of Israel and refuses to condemn the Jewish State no matter what violations of international and human rights it commits on a daily basis. Israel lives beyond its means and is immune from criticism due to American protection.


True, i merely pointed out that the administration has applied pressure on israel to withdraw and help the establishement of a free and independent pal.

Also, what do you mean by "Whenever Israel invades one of its neighbors "? Apart from invasion of pal from time to time (which of course, i agree with you upon) - i&#39;m not aware of any further military action.
Apart from the war. Lets face it, israel was attacked. A bit checky for these nations to then moan when they get beaten in the war they started.

Its a bit like Germany compaining after WW1 that the allies beat them.

[Free Palestine]

True, i merely pointed out that the administration has applied pressure on israel to withdraw and help the establishement of a free and independent pal.

The United States has been trying to block a settlement for a long time. After it became obvious that the Palestinians, and the Arab states, were quite willing to accept the existence of Israel. That is, to achieve a two-state settlement with recognized borders, with international guarantees, with mutual recognition and so on. After it became obvious this was possible, it was necesarry to &#39;up the ante&#39; a notch. The position was changed, it was not enough for them to &#39;recognize Israel.&#39; They had to recognize the &#39;legitimacy&#39; of Israel, or Israel&#39;s &#39;right to exist.&#39; As Chomsky points out, the &#39;right to exist&#39; is something that doesn&#39;t exist in international law. No state recognizes the &#39;right&#39; of another state to &#39;exist. Mexico does not recognize the &#39;right&#39; of the United States to exist within its present borders (which happen to include 1/3 of Mexico). In fact in the international system, there is a notion of recognition of a state, but there is no notion of the recognition of the &#39;legitimacy&#39; of a state. To call on the Palestinians to accept this new concept is to ask them to accept not only that there&#39;s a state in an area which they regard as their home, but to recognize the right of that state to have dispossessed them. Now of course they&#39;re not going to accept that, nor should they, there&#39;s no such thing in international affairs, and the effort to try to obtain it is pointless and absurd.

While the Palestinians have called for a political settlement, Israel and the United States have been clear in rejecting any such settlement. The United States and Israel reject the right of the Palestinians to self-determination and reject any manifestation of that right. In fact, U.S./Israeli rejectionism is so extreme that they will not even allow the Palestinians to to select their own representatives for eventual negotiations. That&#39;s really extreme. If someone came along in 1947 and said the Jews in Palestine could be represented, but not by the Zionists, we would&#39;ve called that a regression to Nazism. All of these are simply excuses to try to evade the political settlement that has long been possible.


Lets face it, israel was attacked

The reality is any indigenous people will resist alien settlers as long as they see hope of ridding themselves of the danger of foreign settlement. That is how the Arabs behaved and will go on behaving so long as they possess a gleam of hope that they can prevent Palestine from becoming the land of Israel.


Its a bit like Germany compaining after WW1 that the allies beat them.

Annexing territory taken by force is illegal under international law. Neither Berlin (Germany) nor Tokyo (Japan) were annexed at the end of World War II. The allies did not create a state over Germany and accompany it with a colonial-settler imperialist project of ethnic cleansing that disposessed millions of Germans of their homes and who remain refugees to this day because their human right to return to their properties has been denied. This phrase of yours is outrageous, and belongs to the lexicon of Zionist demonization of Palestinians.

Israel continues to occupy lands that were seized from its neighbors in 1967. For the past 38+ years Israel has enforced a brutal occupation on the Palestinians of the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem. This military occupation works hand in glove with the government’s plans to transfer its civilian population into Palestinian areas--a violation of international law--and its illegal expropriation of their land and resources to make impossible the formation of a viable Palestinian state. These policies deny Palestinians their internationally recognized human rights, including the right to national self-determination.


A bit checky for these nations to then moan when they get beaten in the war they started.

You forgot to mention that the Jews were entering Palestine under a Zionist plan – first conceived in 1897, and ratified by Britain in 1917 – whose end was to create a Jewish state on Palestinian land that would dispossess the Palestinians. Jewish immigration amounted to a Jewish invasion that would necessarily lead to the displacement and dispossession of Palestinians. The Palestinians were right in resisting their own demise.

[Intifada]

Good post, Free Palestine.

[bcbm]

they support israel in general, but they also put pressure on israel for withdrawals and also the establishement of a pal state

They put pressure on them to withdrawl from Gaza, as much of Israeli civil society was doing. But withdrawl from Gaza only cemented Israel&#39;s position in the West Bank, settlers removed from Gaza can move right into other illegal settlements in the West Bank with all the money they received and nothing will be done about it. Furthermore, the entire affair was presented as a huge public relations ploy by Israel and the United States: the images of settlers being forcibly removed, the settlers crying on TV, all of the comments of how sad it is to see Jews removing Jews from their land. All of this builds sympathy for the settlers and Israeli policy. None of this occurs when the IDF goes in and bulldozes Palestinian homes or shoots Palestinian children, and the Palestinians certainly don&#39;t get paid for their removal.

Furthermore, the proposed state for Palestinians would be little more than a self-governed concentration camp. Israeli roads would continue to crisscross it, Israelis would control what went in and out of the state and the territories would continue to be poor, fermenting more upheaval and military action by Israel. That is no solution.


Lets face it, israel was attacked.

The Zionist settlers started the violence as soon as they began arriving in Palestine, and today the attacks against Israel are a result of the occupation, not the other way around.

[YoUnG192]

This seems like a very genorous donation from opressed people. Yeh, its not the average american&#39;s fault, what the U&#036; governmnet does.

It is the average american&#39;s fault. We put these pricks into office, and the ones who don&#39;t vote really hurt us.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 09:07 AM

This seems like a very genorous donation from opressed people. Yeh, its not the average american&#39;s fault, what the U&#036; governmnet does.

It is the average american&#39;s fault. We put these pricks into office, and the ones who don&#39;t vote really hurt us.
:rolleyes: Different prick, same system. Voting won&#39;t change that.

[YoUnG192]

Originally posted by black banner black gun+Sep 17 2005, 03:46 PM--> (black banner black gun @ Sep 17 2005, 03:46 PM)
[email protected] 17 2005, 09:07 AM

This seems like a very genorous donation from opressed people. Yeh, its not the average american&#39;s fault, what the U&#036; governmnet does.

It is the average american&#39;s fault. We put these pricks into office, and the ones who don&#39;t vote really hurt us.
:rolleyes: Different prick, same system. Voting won&#39;t change that. [/b]
Different prick, same system? Yeah thats true. But whats the alternative of voting we can&#39;t just sit here until the system changes, because if we do the system will never change.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by YoUnG192+Sep 17 2005, 10:52 AM--> (YoUnG192 @ Sep 17 2005, 10:52 AM)
Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 17 2005, 03:46 PM

[email protected] 17 2005, 09:07 AM

This seems like a very genorous donation from opressed people. Yeh, its not the average american&#39;s fault, what the U&#036; governmnet does.

It is the average american&#39;s fault. We put these pricks into office, and the ones who don&#39;t vote really hurt us.
:rolleyes: Different prick, same system. Voting won&#39;t change that.
Different prick, same system? Yeah thats true. But whats the alternative of voting we can&#39;t just sit here until the system changes, because if we do the system will never change. [/b]
You can&#39;t think of anyways to enact change except voting? :huh: