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Commandante_Ant
14th September 2005, 08:49
Nursing home owners face charges
Couple charged with 34 counts of negligent homicide

BATON ROUGE, Louisiana (CNN) -- The owners of St. Rita's Nursing Home in St. Bernard Parish, where 34 people died as Hurricane Katrina hit, have been charged with negligent homicide, Louisiana Attorney General Charles Foti Jr. said Tuesday.

"They did not die of natural causes; they drowned," Foti told reporters. "Thirty-four people drowned in a nursing home where they should have been evacuated."

The attorney general said the home's owners -- Mable and Salvador Mangano Sr., both 65 -- surrendered Tuesday to Medicaid Fraud Control Unit investigators in Baton Rouge, where they were charged with 34 counts of negligent homicide and jailed prior to posting bond. Each count carries up to five years in prison.

Jim Cobb, an attorney for the Manganos, told CNN that his clients did not abandon the patients who died. The Manganos stayed in the nursing home through the storm with their children, grandchildren, and nieces and nephews, he said.

"We feel we have criminal negligence," Foti said. "They did not follow the standards of care that a reasonable person would follow in a similar circumstance." (Watch the attorney general explain the charges -- 4:23)

He said the owners had plenty of opportunity to move their charges out of the facility. The Manganos were asked if they wanted to evacuate the building and were offered buses; in addition, they had signed last April a contract with Acadian Ambulance to provide transportation in the event an evacuation was needed, Foti said, but "they were never called."

Cobb said the Manganos said they were never told about the mandatory evacuation, and the couple was concerned that had they prematurely moved their patients, many would have died.

Authorities in the parish east of New Orleans began retrieving the bodies of the 34 people from St. Rita's on Wednesday, nine days after the storm hit and a huge storm surge consumed the home.

Foti said it was unclear all 34 bodies were patients, family members or people who had sought refuge in the home.

Between 40 and 50 other people were rescued from the facility, St. Bernard Parish Sheriff Jack Stevens said has said.

Meanwhile, President Bush on Tuesday said he takes responsibility for the federal government's failures in responding to Hurricane Katrina.

"Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government and to the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," Bush said during a joint news conference with Iraqi President Jalal Talabani.

Bush said he wants to know what went right and what went wrong so that he can determine whether the United States is prepared for another storm, or an attack. (Watch the president's statement -- 1:32)

"I'm not going to defend the process going in, but I am going to defend the people who are on the front line of saving lives," Bush said. (Full story)

Earlier in the day, the White House announced the president will address the nation Thursday night about recovery efforts in the Gulf Coast.

New Orleans may lose 160,000 homes
Katrina and the floodwaters that swept through New Orleans may have damaged 160,000 homes beyond repair, an official with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said Tuesday.

Col. Richard Wagenaar said that one of the local government's biggest challenges would be letting residents return to look at their homes.

Water flowed into the city from Lake Pontchartrain through five breaches in three levees after the storm hit August 29, leaving 80 percent of the city submerged. (Watch Wagenaar describe the levee repairs -- 3:34)

Workers should be able to pump the remaining water out of the city by the end of October, said Wagenaar, the New Orleans district commander of the Corps of Engineers.

"Wagenaar said the process would speed up once water recedes around the city's main pumping station -- Pump Station No. 6 -- and its 1920s-era pumps can go back online. That's not expected for another two weeks. (Watch the efforts to pump New Orleans dry -- 2:40)

He said that workers were focusing on making "semi-permanent" repairs to the levee system that protects the low-lying city -- that could take two or three months. More permanent fixes would be made once investigators have determined why the levees failed.

Bodies found in hospital
Rescue workers have removed 45 bodies from a downtown New Orleans hospital that was surrounded by floodwaters from Katrina, a spokeswoman for the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals said.

The bodies were recovered Sunday from Memorial Medical Center, spokeswoman Melissa Walker said.

Tenet Healthcare Corp., the company that owns the hospital, said in a statement that "a significant number had passed before the hurricane." (Watch the grim process of recovering victims -- 1:34)

Tenet spokesman Steven Campanini wrote that the hospital was told Wednesday "that we were on our own to evacuate, [and] we brought our own helicopters to take the patients out."

He said, "Every living patient was evacuated by Friday afternoon."

The statement said that once all of the patients were evacuated, officials brought in guards to secure the hospital until the coroner could remove the bodies.

Officials have confirmed 423 deaths in Louisiana in the wake of the hurricane.

Other developments

The acting head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency said Tuesday that the agency would focus on getting evacuees out of shelters and into more permanent homes. David Paulison, a 30-year veteran of fire and rescue work, was appointed Monday after Michael Brown resigned. (Watch Paulison discuss FEMA's plans)


Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco lashed out at FEMA on Tuesday for what she said was a "lack of urgency and lack of respect" involving the recovery of bodies of Hurricane Katrina victims. Blanco said she ordered the state to sign a contract with Kenyon International Monday, after Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff failed to live up to a promise to sign a contract with the organization. (Full story)


New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said Tuesday if an EPA water quality report comes back with the expected good results, he will reopen parts of New Orleans, including the French Quarter, for business next week.

So what were these people to do? Carry 34 bodies on their backs? I really cannoy believe the gall the American Government has. Unfortunately, there was nothing that could be done for these people....the streets are flooded to people's waists...if these people were confined to bed, unfortunately they had no hope of surviving. As for the comment "they should have been evacuated"....the whole region, Louisiana, New Orleans etc should have been evacuated but your president didnt do a damn thing about it. He left those people to die. It seems like the district attorney of Louisiana is out to make an example...these poor people are the example. And what crime have they committed? None. They stayed with these people, they didnt abandon them to their death. I actually feel like throwing up just now because i'm so angry at America

rioters bloc
14th September 2005, 09:00
thats completely fucked up

i hope it's a joke too but i really, really doubt it

Severian
14th September 2005, 09:02
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 02:20 AM
So what were these people to do? Carry 34 bodies on their backs?
From the article:
The Manganos were asked if they wanted to evacuate the building and were offered buses; in addition, they had signed last April a contract with Acadian Ambulance to provide transportation in the event an evacuation was needed, Foti said, but "they were never called."


As for the comment "they should have been evacuated"....the whole region, Louisiana, New Orleans etc should have been evacuated but your president didnt do a damn thing about it. He left those people to die.

True. The whole capitalist class and their government, from the president on down, is guilty of negligent homicide on a massive scale. "Everyone else was doing it" doesn't work as a a defense of any particular business or official, however. No more than "I was just following orders."


these poor people are the example.

Poor people? They're business owners, and I might point out they're in a business where incredible negligence towards patients' welfare is common.

There've been some truly stomach-turning cases of profit-driven neglect in the nursing home business in the U.S.. This may well turn out to be one of them. Or not. More details will come out, and I wouldn't make any presumptions about which lawyer, if either, is telling the truth at this point.

Commandante_Ant
14th September 2005, 09:42
Originally posted by Severian+Sep 14 2005, 09:33 AM--> (Severian @ Sep 14 2005, 09:33 AM)
[email protected] 14 2005, 02:20 AM
So what were these people to do? Carry 34 bodies on their backs?
From the article:
The Manganos were asked if they wanted to evacuate the building and were offered buses; in addition, they had signed last April a contract with Acadian Ambulance to provide transportation in the event an evacuation was needed, Foti said, but "they were never called."


As for the comment "they should have been evacuated"....the whole region, Louisiana, New Orleans etc should have been evacuated but your president didnt do a damn thing about it. He left those people to die.

True. The whole capitalist class and their government, from the president on down, is guilty of negligent homicide on a massive scale. "Everyone else was doing it" doesn't work as a a defense of any particular business or official, however. No more than "I was just following orders."


these poor people are the example.

Poor people? They're business owners, and I might point out they're in a business where incredible negligence towards patients' welfare is common.

There've been some truly stomach-turning cases of profit-driven neglect in the nursing home business in the U.S.. This may well turn out to be one of them. Or not. More details will come out, and I wouldn't make any presumptions about which lawyer, if either, is telling the truth at this point. [/b]
From the article....just after the section you quoted....

"Cobb said the Manganos said they were never told about the mandatory evacuation, and the couple was concerned that had they prematurely moved their patients, many would have died."

How can they telephone something if they dont know they can do that?

And when i said "poor people", i didnt mean economically...i meant that its a shame as they look to be examples for government to flex their power.

Social Greenman
14th September 2005, 10:38
Severian wrote:


Poor people? They're business owners, and I might point out they're in a business where incredible negligence towards patients' welfare is common.

There've been some truly stomach-turning cases of profit-driven neglect in the nursing home business in the U.S.. This may well turn out to be one of them. Or not. More details will come out, and I wouldn't make any presumptions about which lawyer, if either, is telling the truth at this point.

Very true to the point. I have seen neglect over and over. Nursing homes are to make profits and they way they do it is to cut cost by reducing the number of staff and to cut the amount of medical care to the patients. Doctors who work for these nursing homes keep most of the patients doped up on drugs to the point to where they can no longer can care for themselves. Bed sores, scabies, ect., along with neglect due to a shortage of staff happen all over the U.S. This is the behavior of Capitalism. Shrub and the entire capitalist class need to be brought to justice.

Severian
14th September 2005, 10:52
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 03:13 AM
"Cobb said the Manganos said they were never told about the mandatory evacuation, and the couple was concerned that had they prematurely moved their patients, many would have died."
They don't own a television?

Commandante_Ant
14th September 2005, 12:31
Hmmmmm......

It'll be interesting to hear more information on this story if anyone has anything else. Certainly doesnt seem to be a one sided story.

bcbm
14th September 2005, 15:53
Since Bush is taking full responsibility, can we pin negligent homicide charges on him as well?

Colombia
14th September 2005, 16:09
I'm not sure I buy their story. It seems they had too many warnings and still not heed the advice. I mean when they are even offering buses and a ton of people are getting out, you know it must be really bad.

Severian
15th September 2005, 11:49
LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-nursing14sep14,0,7059824.story?coll=la-home-headlines)

Much info, including:

Why didn't the home's operators, Salvador A. and Mable B. Mangano, evacuate the facility before the storm arrived, as did every other nursing home in the area?

Emphasis added.

There's probably broad underlying political questions here too, like: do you start from class vs class, or the "individual" vs "the state"? IMO the latter logically leads towards right-wing positions like, in this case, opposing government regulation of business.