Water Cannon [Archive]

Enragé

13th September 2005, 20:08

Originally posted by organic [email protected] 13 2005, 07:28 PM
wrong its not suicide. using lunch trays and plexi glass sheilds can stop the power.
on your own or with like more people? if so how many people, 3, 5, 10?

(sorry if my questions are annoying :P )

JazzRemington

13th September 2005, 20:27

Obviously, I don't think a person of average weight can stop the spray of a water cannon with a shield alone. It would take either a large person or a group of people.

bed_of_nails

13th September 2005, 23:11

The right foot placing can definately help one person stop a water cannon.

Organic Revolution

14th September 2005, 03:00

Originally posted by NewKindOfSoldier+Sep 13 2005, 01:39 PM--> (NewKindOfSoldier @ Sep 13 2005, 01:39 PM)
organic [email protected] 13 2005, 07:28 PM
wrong its not suicide. using lunch trays and plexi glass sheilds can stop the power.
on your own or with like more people? if so how many people, 3, 5, 10?

(sorry if my questions are annoying :P ) [/b]
we had fifteen people, just keep the sheild low on the ground so they cant hit your feet and push with your sholder

Simon

26th September 2005, 14:44

mmm, you got good ideas against tear gas, water canons, etc... but what is the best you do when the cops used dogs? because one time i'm arrested with 2 dogs... i just stayed where i was because i don't know how the dogs reacted when i go run for them...

Organic Revolution

26th September 2005, 16:36

keep cayene pepper in your pockets. its very strong and will keep the animals away.

Simon

26th September 2005, 16:47

the problem is, if you've been catched with that papperspray, it's illegal here in belgium, so you can't find it so fast....

bed_of_nails

26th September 2005, 18:58

Cayenne pepper, not the spray.

infernomunky

26th September 2005, 23:28

yeah the cayenne pepper is the best.....get little zip lock bags from like the arts and craft store....like 2 inch by 3 inches.....i have two of em in my backpack at all times filled with cayyene pepper.....
....the water cannon.......
....thats a tricky one tho......most i can think of is possibly somehow to re-route the water stream......say grab a bunch of those parking cones and hold em into the spray so that the watter jet doesnt hit you and the stream in dispersed into a larger surface area..........eh i dunno tho..........never encountered one before...............
...json

Patchy

5th October 2005, 13:13

I dunno, never encountered one. If you're talking about a firehose or something similar, I'd probably just get out of it's way and move around. Maybe pull back a bit and try to find some large object to use as a shield.

As for grouping together, that seems sketchy. Unless the pointman(woman) is huge, I dunno how good that would be to essentially crush a comrade against a wall of people and the force of a water cannon. You wont let them go back, they cant go forwards. It seems like it would be a mosh pit gone wrong.

Thomas

5th October 2005, 16:37

Watch "The Last Castle" :P They actually use perfect methods for disabling the various weapons against them.

Basically forming a solid block (5 men deep I think) with lunch trays forming a wall infront of them.

Simon

5th October 2005, 16:41

mmm, have you see the following situations? <_<
They have been blow away....

Xvall

5th October 2005, 22:57

The best defense is to not get hit. I'd just say dodging the spray would be a better option then trying to stop with with something.

bezdomni

6th October 2005, 02:22

If you've let them get the hose out you've let them get too far.

Simon

11th October 2005, 15:00

And um, what against horses? in Belgium they used them very much!

drain.you

16th October 2005, 10:22

Why does Cayenne pepper keep dogs away? And how do you use it? Just have it as a powder and throw it at them or what? :?

Organic Revolution

16th October 2005, 15:34

cayenne pepper is just a very strong smell, and can burn there nostrils. you just keep it in your pocket or back pack.

Commie Rat

17th October 2005, 07:18

glass marbles for horses

if the stomp them they split and cut feet and in they dont they will roll on them

Xvall

18th October 2005, 01:06

Someone will probably yell at you about that for cruelty. I don't see it as a big problem, though. Caltrops are useful as well.

Enragé

18th October 2005, 16:15

Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 17 2005, 07:02 AM
glass marbles for horses

if the stomp them they split and cut feet and in they dont they will roll on them
poor horsies

yea...well...yea...its not the horses fault ;)

guess its better to just get the fucker of off the horse, and kick his ass. hmm, also, someone of the protestors could like mount the horse.

but yea ok if there's like twenty pigs on horses, that could work.

Xvall

18th October 2005, 22:50

I think the more appropriate question is how one goes about constructing a water cannon, because I would really like one.

Enragé

19th October 2005, 00:26

:lol:

19th October 2005, 03:16

If cops are using water cannons its only because they can't control the crowed, otherwise they'd just coral people with riot cops, so using a water canon at all suggests that the protesters have room to maneuver...my suggestion would be to simply get out of range and go do something disruptive elsewhere because no police department has very many of them.

But i think the basic lunch tray shield thing is true...you're not trying to "stop" the stream you're just deflecting the energy of it away from your body.

bed_of_nails

19th October 2005, 03:33

Fight water with fire :)

Barrage of Molotov Cocktails baby.

drain.you

19th October 2005, 20:22

Could you not get a van, and get a compressor to fire water out of a hose? I dunno :S

Noah

20th October 2005, 17:20

Pierce the tank/s of water or bust the tyres of the truck the water cannon is mounter on?

Commie Rat

21st October 2005, 12:08

get one of those high pressure water concrete cleaners strap it on to your back and off you go!

somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback

21st October 2005, 14:39

Chimera

25th October 2005, 18:56

In case of water cannon mobility is essential, a water cannon has to be on you for a second or so to knock you back, you can advance by dodging it.

If they charge with horses don't bunch together, spread out and let the horses pass between you, keeping low to avoid batons. Slamming the knees of a running horse with a lump of wood will cause the rider to be thrown with sufficient force to incapacitate him.

Cayenne pepper for dogs, if a dog already has its teeth in your arm lever its jaw open with a metal object or kick it hard just under the diaphragm.

Commie Rat

25th November 2005, 11:56

hessian (sp?) bags to wrap around your arms when they bring in the dogs

Chimera

27th November 2005, 21:51

Hessian? No, better with leather or something like that, or just wear loadsa padding. Bear in mind that to hit a regular animal carries charges of cruelty, but to hit a police animal carries charges of "assaulting a police officer in the course of his duties" as well as cruelty.

Commie Rat

28th November 2005, 06:55

Leather could work, did not want to offend Vegan kids

razboz

7th February 2006, 19:53

for the water cannon thing: ive seen tem in use at the G8 and im pretty sure that in practice the tray thing wont work. Trying to attack the truck wont work. Tryng to group together and force your way through the water wont work. blocking the whose wont work. The Jets jsut too strong guys. What you could do is run away. they tend to pop out of back alleys and things like riot police vans so yoou gotta keep your eyes peeled for the big armoured cop-wagons with the funny cannons on top. if you keep your riots mobility up the police wont be able to get you. try to move from street ot street, following parallel streets to get to were you wwant to go. Furst decide with your group ten disband: just go separate ways and regroup shortly after somewhere else. the cops will be confused usually. theyll get there but after a while
Be sure to warn some journos and things as well so they can follow on as well.

silentprotest

7th February 2006, 20:21

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 10:15 PM
I think the more appropriate question is how one goes about constructing a water cannon, because I would really like one.
Find yourself a nice powerful waterpump, find some water, and let her rip.

Goatse

7th February 2006, 21:32

If the van's stationary, try and swarm it. Try and so close it can't hit you, then set fire to the petrol tank or something. Or take over it and use it against other vans.

RNK

8th February 2006, 02:31

Home-made water cannon sounds like a good idea...

Most cities have fire hydrants all over the place. If you could get your hands on an old firehose (or make one), procure one of those large wrenches they use to pry the cap off the hydrant and twist the top to turn it on, you could very well have your own cannon right there.

Wonder why nobody's tried it?

That'd be hella funny, too, if some nutjob decided to go downtown one day and take over a city block with a firehose... it wouldn't be lethal, but would be able to keep the cops away. I wonder if they'd shoot him dead?

Anyway, if possible, try to concoct your own firehoses. Knock those fuckers off of their trucks.

dannie

8th February 2006, 11:56

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 03:56 AM
Wonder why nobody's tried it?

That's because he would get his/her stupid head kicked in, one firehose isn't going to hold of the cops at a big protest.

edit: spelling

Simon

8th February 2006, 20:14

Maybe in a protest it works for an houre?
But take over a cityblock? they just cut off the tap water...

Vladislav

9th February 2006, 07:40

Get a sniper rifle and kill the pig who's behind the cannon.

If there are cars couldn't you just hide behind them?

dannie

9th February 2006, 09:09

if conditions are ok, you could try to force the cops to fire their hose at a car (wich you just ducked behind), wich results in broken windows, angry citizens, and bill at 911 copstreet

razboz

18th February 2006, 12:36

the problem is that the cops would have no difficulty "proving" that the rioters were in fact the cause of the damage.

Why would you bother with making your own water cannon? The point of water cannons is that they are non-lethal. This is so that the police can cover their arses when they break up demonstrations. If you are rioting you dont really need to worry about public opinionwhen comes to causing serious bodily harm to police officers. Any way, they can hide behind riot sheilds, which can certainly resist any home made water cannon.

Livetrueordie

18th February 2006, 17:53

Can't you just get something to divide the blast and slow it down. i have a big aluminum pizza pan with cm holes all over it. If you hold that against the blast it wouldn't over power you, just abosorb some of the pressure. idk it makes sense to me

loveme4whoiam

18th February 2006, 20:43

That might work I guess - but you'd still take the brunt of the force into your arm holding the pan before the holes let the water through. I've seen websites that you can actually order those huge riot shields, but I think some of them have restrictions on selling them to non-police agencies. Of course, this in the UK - you good people in the US should be unencumbered by such problems :P

Remember kids, tool up well for your next riot - imagine the faces of the cops when they see a line of rioters wearing the same gear they are :lol:

razboz

18th February 2006, 21:36

Loveme4whoiam i think that is a pretty good idea: ina riot the police wouldnt be able to tell the difference between its own men and the rioters, thus it would have much idifficulty dispersing the demonstration as it could spring up from within the very ranks of the police...

However obtaining the equipment that police use is very expensive i guess, and would slightly defeat the purpose of having a riot in the first place : flexing the proletarians oppressed muscle in the face of overwhelming fascist oppression. If the rioters begin to use the same methods as the police, what makes them any different from the opressors (in the general publics eye that is).

Nothing Human Is Alien

19th February 2006, 00:06

If they charge with horses don't bunch together, spread out and let the horses pass between you, keeping low to avoid batons. Slamming the knees of a running horse with a lump of wood will cause the rider to be thrown with sufficient force to incapacitate him.

For horses you can throw some marbles on the ground. That will cause em to trip and fall.

loveme4whoiam

19th February 2006, 01:12

However obtaining the equipment that police use is very expensive i guess, and would slightly defeat the purpose of having a riot in the first place : flexing the proletarians oppressed muscle in the face of overwhelming fascist oppression. If the rioters begin to use the same methods as the police, what makes them any different from the opressors (in the general publics eye that is).

Fair point, I was just looking at it from a survival point of view. Perhaps if you had a line of kitted-out protesters between the police and the rest of the protesting mob, just to let them do their thing without taking a baton to the face :D

Meh, maybe I just like the idea of going shield wall-to-shield wall with the police, juts like guys were doing a thousand years ago :P

Truth be told I've never been in a real riot, although for cramped conditions you can't beat front-row of the Iron Maiden set at Reading Festival last year :lol:. I guess in reality there's not a lot you can do without sheer force of numbers on your side - if you are actually attempting to get past the police a simple rush would work, although you'd have to not much care about casualties. If a riot stands still it can be dispersed, at least that's how it seems to me.

An archist

14th June 2006, 13:15

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 06:44 PM
That might work I guess - but you'd still take the brunt of the force into your arm holding the pan before the holes let the water through. I've seen websites that you can actually order those huge riot shields, but I think some of them have restrictions on selling them to non-police agencies. Of course, this in the UK - you good people in the US should be unencumbered by such problems :P

Remember kids, tool up well for your next riot - imagine the faces of the cops when they see a line of rioters wearing the same gear they are :lol:
Well, that actually exists in Holland (and other places) in Holland they're called the SEALS, the dress up in white and with riot gear (no clubs), they try to look like seals and they protect the protesters against the police :D

Rollo

15th June 2006, 13:54

Against a dog I found a surefire way to stop up to two dogs at one time. Get your used up bong water and put it into a frying pan, get some sausages or other form of crap meat and boil it in the bong water for about 6 minutes. Take your peices of meat ( 2 works ) and wrap them in seperate mesh bags. Tie a rope between each mesh bag and if the dogs get too close throw the bag infront of you and in most cases the dog will stop to sniff the bag leaving you to run to safety.

Fidel Follower

24th June 2006, 23:59

I saw a video where all the antifa's went under this huge plexi-glass thing, and the water went stright off, give me a few days and i will find the video, i found it on youtube.com, so if you have seen it plz post the link (*im alittle busy, sorry guys and gals*)

Global_Justice

7th July 2006, 23:26

during the french student protests a few months ago they stood there and weren't moved by it. just like 20 people hudled up real close and withstood it. for about 10 minutes then they sort of gave up.

elmo sez

8th July 2006, 03:29

Steal from the cops at the protest , just try and take their shields and shit :lol:

razboz

8th July 2006, 09:59

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 12:30 AM
Steal from the cops at the protest , just try and take their shields and shit :lol:
That sounds easy. But its not. Cops are often fairly strong, fairly violent and in a protest with all the confusion and people running about and stuff might just feel like beating you over the head to make things easier. Thats not nice. Taking a police officer down is risky buisness unless your totally sure you can get away with it. The conditions where this can happen are usually when you have compelete mastery of the streets or there is complete break down of the police forces.

An archist

8th July 2006, 13:54

And if they arrest you, you're in deep shite. My mother knew a guy who pushed a cop away because he was beating up a protester, just pushed the cop away, didn't hurt him at all and he was charged with assault of a police officer. It'l be on his record for ten years, he wants to be a teacher, but he can't since he has a 'criminal record'.
So indeed, if you want to charge a cop, make sure you can get away with it, they come down hard on you if they catch you.