arguing with thiests!

[rahul]

MOST OF US might have encountered people who argue blindly that there 's God....
though we suggest them some proofs of NO GOD!

ANY IDEAS....... how to argue with them?

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[rahul]

basic arguements i came across-

nothing can happen by itself ..............there should be some one to create.........blah blah blah..........

answer i suggest-
"how can that some one be created?"
believer: dont try to escape my question by another question!(....so he's also giving an absurd response to my answer)
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[Latifa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 09:02 AM
basic arguements i came across-

nothing can happen by itself ..............there should be some one to create.........blah blah blah..........

answer i suggest-
"how can that some one be created?"
believer: dont try to escape my question by another question!(....so he's also giving an absurd response to my answer)
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Isn't something that happens by itself a quantum event, a well supported scientific principle?

[rahul]

i think we can quickly quote


energy/mass(any thing) can neither be created nor destroyed
the basic principe of physics,universe,science,

[violencia.Proletariat]

i wouldnt worry about it man, your better bet is to work on agnostics, some people are sooooo far gone, theres no way you can help them.

[rahul]

~yeah!
you can never change a priest's mind!

[bombeverything]

It is very difficult because they simply believe in god, even though there is no rational basis to faith.

[rahul]

another interesting thing is they say that " we dont know the reality "

and some times my (science) teachers used to say
"even darwin believed in god ,before his death...why dont you??"(i dont really think darwin believed in God)

one thing is "they cant change us......we cant change theM"

[Axel1917]

They just dogmatically hurl the same crap at you over and over again, no matter how badly you end up refuting them. It is a waste of time to argue with them, if you ask me.

[rahul]

How can we show them reality ' is the basic que.

physics proffesors/scientiists (our president apj kalam(scientist) do believe God here in India)

[Donnie]

He one to combat a theist:

We exist is space and time. For example picture an apple on a table in a middle of the room; it exists because it exists within space and time. It's in space because we can see it and so it’s in space. It’s in time because it's hear now, on the table; however it may not be hear on the table next weak because it may have been moved. If we were to eat the apple it would no longer exist within time and space; all its properties would have gone. This idea of time and space can be applied to a deity. How can something remove it's self from time and space and still exist? How can something not there exist? How can a God have created time and space when in order to exist it needs time and space? Thus if we actually saw someone who said they were god they’d not be god because they exist within time and space and so could be destroyed.

Sartre’s ‘existence precedes essence’ is a pretty good reason for disproving the theory of god.
Sartre says as I recall; if we were not free to detach our minds from the immediate environment and imagine what might not be the case (something which we can actually do) we would not be free.
This ability to imagine what is not the case offers the definitive proof that we are not subject to the same kind of determinism which governs the behavior and development of animals, plants and rocks. In them their existence is totally determined by their essence, what they are destined to become.
But only human beings make choices. It is in this sense that their existence precedes their essence. This means they have freedom which stems from the absence of any pre-existing god or providential plan.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 06:48 PM
i wouldnt worry about it man, your better bet is to work on agnostics, some people are sooooo far gone, theres no way you can help them.
Isn't it your lucky day? The link in my signature goes to a debate on agnosticism!
Agnosticism is the logical materialist position...