revolutionary parenting

[Organic Revolution]

for any of you on this website, do you have kids? do you practice revolutionary parenting? what are your thoughts on revolutionary parenting./

[Vanguard1917]

lol

[MKS]

do you practice revolutionary parenting?

Please define; Revolutionary Parenting

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 09:03 PM

do you practice revolutionary parenting?

Please define; Revolutionary Parenting
Parenting a child and teaching the Revolutionary beliefs and views?


Just a guess from me.

[Amusing Scrotum]

Please define; Revolutionary Parenting

Maybe he means raising your children as equals, rather than ruling them through fear. Instead of telling a child of for doing something wrong, explaining to them the consequences of that action.
Or of course he could mean subsituting ordinary bedtime stories with chapters of "Capital".

[Vanguard1917]

Or of course he could mean subsituting ordinary bedtime stories with chapters of "Capital".

:lol:

[novemba]

I would suggest

1 Guerrilla Learning: How to Give Your Kids a Real Education with or without School

and

2 The Teenage Liberation Handbook: How to quit school and get a real life and education

both by Grace Llewellyn under Lowry House publishing

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

I had imagined something like:

Keeping your authoritial power to an abosolute minimum and aiming at giving the children as soon as possible responsibilities. Also reward the children when they take responsibilities, with more rights.

Like, let them start with stuff like cooking as soon as possible. So that they will regurarly cook meals (maybe weekly), as a consequence they will have a bigger influence on the diet of the house. Or when they have gained enough skills in cleaning, cooking and showing responsibility, you can leave the house alone to them.

In short based; an aim to make your infant an equal in the household as soon as possible.

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 07:16 PM
Maybe he means raising your children as equals, rather than ruling them through fear. Instead of telling a child of for doing something wrong, explaining to them the consequences of that action.

exactly

[praxis1966]

That's what my parents did, in addition to teaching me to always question authority. Now I'm on county probation because of it.

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 10:31 PM
That's what my parents did, in addition to teaching me to always question authority. Now I'm on county probation because of it.
what do you think would have been better praxis?

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

:lol: Sounds similar to my situation.

My family is working class with little trust of the government -- and much resentment towards it. Now many of them are coming more and more towards the left, because I've tried to share my knowledge with them, pass on literture, newspapers, etc.

[praxis1966]

Originally posted by organic revolution+Sep 12 2005, 11:34 PM--> (organic revolution @ Sep 12 2005, 11:34 PM)
[email protected] 12 2005, 10:31 PM
That's what my parents did, in addition to teaching me to always question authority. Now I'm on county probation because of it.
what do you think would have been better praxis? [/b]
Don't know, but I'm starting to think that maybe they should've beaten me more often.

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 06:59 PM
I would suggest

1 Guerrilla Learning: How to Give Your Kids a Real Education with or without School

and

2 The Teenage Liberation Handbook: How to quit school and get a real life and education

both by Grace Llewellyn under Lowry House publishing
This is some bad advice.

Lets say the kid is capable and would have gone on to some form of higher learning, but you convinced him/her to drop out of high school and work at McDonalds.

You have fucked up his/her life and damned him/her to wage-slavery.

Honestly that advice reminds me of the crack addict sitting on a street corner going "I dropped out of high school and look how cool I am! Got some crack?"

[TheReadMenace]

I'm going to teach my kids how to make smoke bombs.

[Amusing Scrotum]

That's what my parents did, in addition to teaching me to always question authority. Now I'm on county probation because of it.

My mother was always firm but fair. If I did something wrong she would sit me down and explain why it was daft to do this. The majority of the time she was right. She would always use the phrase "I'm not angry, just disappointed," as well. Which always made me feel about two inches high.
Of course when I was really young and I did something wrong, I would get a smacked arse. This was because toddlers don't always have the reasoning power to understand their actions.
All in all I'd say this was a very successful method of parenting and now we never argue and are really good freinds. Unlike most families where the children grow up hating their parents.

[rioters bloc]

i cant remember how my parents brought me up. cos i was a kid. also, they may have smacked me on the head one too many times and fucked up my memory.

i think it was something like, lots of love and affection and some discipline.

and look what a well-rounded person i am now ;)

[captain donald]

teaching your child to use a gun is one of the most important lessons in revolutionary parenting. That way your lovely little boy/girl wont be shot down in the class struggle.

[Urban Rubble]

teaching your child to use a gun is one of the most important lessons in revolutionary parenting. That way your lovely little boy/girl wont be shot down in the class struggle.

Yes, that's very important, class wars break out in America all the time, the ability to use a firearm is critical.

:lol:


You have fucked up his/her life and damned him/her to wage-slavery.

Since when is a college degree a "Get out of wage slavery free" card? It seems to me that the people who go through college and high school are a lot more likely to become wage slaves than those who don't.

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 14 2005, 03:41 PM

teaching your child to use a gun is one of the most important lessons in revolutionary parenting. That way your lovely little boy/girl wont be shot down in the class struggle.

Yes, that's very important, class wars break out in America all the time, the ability to use a firearm is critical.

:lol:


You have fucked up his/her life and damned him/her to wage-slavery.

Since when is a college degree a "Get out of wage slavery free" card? It seems to me that the people who go through college and high school are a lot more likely to become wage slaves than those who don't.
College does not guarantee a job, and I know some people that got degrees in college, only to end up working where they were working before college. Even if you get through college and get the job you trained in, the owners of the compaines you work for still make loads of profit from exploiting you for surplus-value. A good deal of college jobs (teachers especially) also don't pay very well.

I don't know exactly what is meant by "revolutionary parenting," but we will definitely have a better grasp once the outdated Bourgeois family is in the dustbins of history. I believe that a lot of parents make too many mistakes, especially in thinking that the child exists in some kind of vacuum, in which only the parents are the ones who are "always right." Kids are going to learn more from society and such. I also believe that smacking children is wrong and not productive (I believe that B.F. Skinner was right in stating that punsihment pretty much only makes the kid afraid to misbehave when the punishing agent is present. When the parents are not around, the kids can (and a good deal of them do) easily get away with misbehaving.

[coda]

I have step-kids and planning to have another one by the end of next year. the first thing on the revolutionary agenda is homeschooling all of them. Lucky them! I didn't have that option as a kid.

[Amusing Scrotum]

I have step-kids and planning to have another one by the end of next year. the first thing on the revolutionary agenda is homeschooling all of them. Lucky them! I didn't have that option as a kid.

How strict is the home schooling sylabus? Do you have the option to teach Alternative History, Marxist Economics etc.?

[RASH chris]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 04:32 PM

I have step-kids and planning to have another one by the end of next year. the first thing on the revolutionary agenda is homeschooling all of them. Lucky them! I didn't have that option as a kid.

How strict is the home schooling sylabus? Do you have the option to teach Alternative History, Marxist Economics etc.?
The state has no say in what you teach when you homeschool, at least in the US. I was homeschooled in 6th and 7th grade, but my parents were strongly religious so I used a christian program.

But yes, you could use alternative history. My girlfriend goes to a private school and one of her history texts is "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn, and the text is greatly respected by many leftists.

[Amusing Scrotum]

The state has no say in what you teach when you homeschool, at least in the US. I was homeschooled in 6th and 7th grade, but my parents were strongly religious so I used a christian program.

But yes, you could use alternative history. My girlfriend goes to a private school and one of her history texts is "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn, and the text is greatly respected by many leftists.

Over here in Britain, from what I gather, you have to stick pretty closely to what is being taught in the schools.

Your girlfriends school sounds pretty great, if only schools like that were in the state school sector. Ah well, after the revolution I guess.

[coda]

I'm in New York, I think there is a minimum standard of Math, English that has to be met in this state. but the rest is pretty open.

[coda]

And I believe mandatory gym class has to be taken or some kind of athletic exercise program. Is that right, AnarchoChris?

[workersunity]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 10:43 PM
I'm going to teach my kids how to make smoke bombs.
HAHA

[Faceless]

Maybe he means raising your children as equals, rather than ruling them through fear. Instead of telling a child of for doing something wrong, explaining to them the consequences of that action.

Hmm, personally I don't see how that is revolutionary. Your children aren't equals in either their understanding of the world or in their deeds. Children have tantrums and babies cry to get what they want, in part they don't entirely perceive the parents as being a seperate conscioussness I expect. Of course it is important to explain consequences etc. but I'm a little uncertain if they can be treated as undisciplined "equals".

Anyway, I don't care, don't really want kids myself. I don't see how it advances the revolutionary cause one bit. More important than all of this is education.

I think college can be quite important. Sure, it is too structured and you are dictated a lot of the crap you are taught but it is also an opportunity to spend some time in an atmosphere of learning, to bounce ideas off others also, who's enthusiasm isnt dulled by the world of work.

Meh, I'm too young to be giving advice

[Des]

home schooling would lead to major flaws in their social skills i would rekon..

[RASH chris]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 05:14 PM
And I believe mandatory gym class has to be taken or some kind of athletic exercise program. Is that right, AnarchoChris?
I always just rode my bike, or played basketball with my dad and called it gym class.


home schooling would lead to major flaws in their social skills i would rekon..

Provided they don't get social contact from somewhere else. It did negatively effect my social skills because the only other people I was exposed to were kids from my parent's church, and I didn't like them, so I spent relatively little time with anybody but my family. So I was very unprepared (socially) to go into public school in 8th grade, but by high school I had come along just fine and got pretty popular. Then I quit :rolleyes: haha


Your girlfriends school sounds pretty great, if only schools like that were in the state school sector. Ah well, after the revolution I guess.

I talked to her about it last night, appearantly last year they read a part of the communist manifesto. And they discussed the haymarket riots. And she has a philosophy class this year, so they'll probably discuss Marx and his theories in relation to conflict psychology.

[Gnosis]

Revolutionary Parenting.

Do not have children.

Or do not have more than one child.

In case you do have a child, do not give her and her mind to your local public school.

Help them recognize opportunities to learn and better the self, body, and mind.

Do not own a television if your child is under the age of fourteen or if you have not given them a firm reality to be grounded in so that they might more accurately see the reality portrayed within the TV in more proportionate realtion to the reality of their own world.

I say fourteen because you are not even begining to be fully conscious until that age even if you have had intelligent parents who took time off from their own lives (about 14 years off)to explain to you, answer to you, and give you whatever opportunities for learning they can.
You do not see the world from any perspective other than that of a young, impressionable, wide open mind subject to environment and in constant observation and assimilation of your surroundings.

If your child asks for a television and you morally object, if you have done a good job parenting, your child will be understanding, compasionate, and have a better reason for wanting a television than "all my friends have one"

Give your child a back ground in the arts, literature, physics, mathematics, and philosophy.
Adjust the lessons you put together for him according to his own passions and his own attitudes.
Remember not to teach but instead to relearn as your child is learning.
Learn with her and be not seperate from that which you are asking her to do.
Do not attempt to dominate as this will create a person who will attempt to dominate you right back.

Remember that a child is a person only shorter.
The only reason why achild is small is because a woman could not push a full grown person from her vagina and possibly survive.

Do not hide anything or lie to your child.
Be honest and understanding.

If you think explaining sex to a child would be embarassing, do not have children.
Do not have sex, either.

One common misconception which shows itself real in this society is a belief that sex and children are some how unrelated or should be seperate.
This is wrong and should be corrected.
Sex leads to children and the raising of children is the direct result of having sex.
Sex is a process which leads to another process and that is children.

To deny a child information is a sin in my book.
You are in a position of knowledge and they are supposed to learn what life is by studying you and then becoming you.

Do not create unnecessary internal conflict for your child by not answering his questions or not being thourough and honest in your answers.
Do not deny information, teach compassion for all living things, teach honesty and ritgeousness.
Give him an identity which is efficient, effective, concerned with world affairs, rational, emotional, observative, reflective, thoughtful, friendly, and able to relax and have fun.
Teach them the value of knowledge over the value of money.
Teach them self worth and self esteem and confidence.
Teach them kindness in the face of adversity.

To teach a child anything, you must be what you are trying to teach.
If you are not what you expect them to be, avoid parenting or be honest.
Tell them you are not the best person in the world, they will understand.
This will let them know to look else where for guidance, but also to respect you for being honest and knowing yourself well enough to be able to say "I am not the best example for you to follow and later become, look for inspiration elsewhere in life."
You don't even need to say you are not the best influence, you could simply point out better influences and allow them to catch on.

I don't know, I dont have children.

Alll i know is not to hold a child back from reaching his full potential, not to work against a child, and to be that childs aid when it comes to growing up and reaching out to the world.

I know to feed a child nothing but love, even if he has made a mistake.
And to give him all the opportunity in the world to grow up a whoile, healthy, strong personality with honorable characteristics and an effective life philosophy.

Give him room to be himself as well as give him my own influences.

Something like that.
But i will not have children unless i adopt, and i doubt ill even do that.
So its not like ill have much of an opportunity to test my theory.
Its probably better that way.

[Donnie]

Over here in Britain, from what I gather, you have to stick pretty closely to what is being taught in the schools.
I don't think you're even allowed to teach you're child at home because it probably goes under the act of truancy.

I've started teaching my little brother about the basic ideas of class and anti-racism and the non existence of a God. I'm not doing the whole in-depth critique of capitalism and reading him 'Mutual Aid' at night time. He's only 6 years old. I'm focusing most of my efforts on bringing my mum around to Anarchist Communism.

[synthesis]

Revolutionary parenting?

Simple.

In a world of consumerism, it is an act of revolution to rear a non-consumer; someone whose living exists independently of the system.

The most essential act of any revolutionary parent is to teach their children the skills to earn that which should be granted to every member of a truly free society (food, water, housing, heat, etc) while still maintaining some measure of dignity and self-reliance.

I have seen enough in my life to feel confident in making the generalization that minority communities tend to produce those who "do for self" - those with determination to get by without having to rely on the existing capitalist system. If communist parents can do the same while propagating socialist ideas, we may have a fighting chance.

Teach your kid every skill you know that could help him or her "do for self." If you play an instrument, teach your kid how to play and how to make money doing so. If you deal drugs, teach your kid the tricks of the trade, especially how to not get caught - there's not a whole lot of dignity or self-reliance in prison. Hell, if you do ceramics, teach them that, too. But make sure they remember every step of the way that the point of it all is surviving in a dignified manner in an inherently unjust environment.

[HoorayForTheRedBlackandGreen]

My parents are liberals and my dad seems to be an advocate of Sweden. He has his doubts about Chavez though. He also blocked this site, because the government is going to kill me if I keep posting here. I had to resort to comradeche! My mom defends me by saying "He's just 14" and chuckling when I mention Marx or Chomsky.