Was our on line privacy one casualty of the war on terror?

[Pepe Cy]

After the well known incident of the 11 of September one of the many things that had been changed was the violation of privacy from American officials.

Some people perceive that as a necessary evil, for the war against terrorism. Others consider privacy of high importance and object any limitation of it.

Taking into consideration the information that terrorists are using the internet for communication, research, recruitment and fund raising what are your point of view on that subject?

I will especially appreciate the option of American people since they are the ones who are influenced more.

So, was our on line privacy one casualty of the war on terror?

[suffianr]

Infringing privacy in the name of national security is always a lousy excuse. I don't care who's fucking house they blow up next, no one fucking reads my email except me.

[redstar2000]

As an American, I HATE it, of course, as I HATE pretty much EVERYTHING the U.S. Government does.

I believe that they will use the information they gather to compile a list of ALL their critics...and that list will be used to discriminate against ALL dissidents...up to and including internment in the case of insurrectionary conditions.

You have to keep in mind that the Republican Party here is essentially a quasi-fascist party and the opposition Democrats are about the same as the English Conservatives. Perhaps 5 percent of Americans OPPOSE all this shit...everyone else is either for it or willing to go along with it.

Grim news, I know. Our ONLY real hope right now is that the rest of the world will STAND UP against the U$A. :sad:

[Disgustipated]

As you may be aware, there are at least two systems that are currently monitoring email and telephone....ALL email and telephone. They are Eschalon and Carnivore. They monitor and grab/flag things that may be suspicious. Very scary stuff. When you ask people how they feel about it, they always seem to reply, "Well...as long as your not doing anything wrong...you shouldn't have to worry". These people just don't get it. I believe the US houses the servers in the UK due to laws here regarding their existence. Anyone else know anything about these programs? I think there was actually a segment on 60 minutes about one of them.

[Pepe Cy]

I didnt know about Carnivore.

But I was aware about the use of Eschalon that is used for a variety of purposes including the promotion of economical interest for the Anglo Saxon countries by obtaing Bussiness informations. Through the use of Eschalon they favour the American, British and Canadian intustries on the loss of German and French companies.

I am in a very emparrased situation to admit that a large part of Eschalon project is in my country, Cyprus. With the existing technology they can spy 1/3 of the world including middle East, the whole Africa and all the area up to Siberia.

We had made a lot of demonstrations against the use of such systems, as well as the use of the British bases for war purposes and for storaging nuclear weapons.

Offcourse they dont give a shit about us, and our goverment is scare of them. When we refused to give military bases to the Americans (1965), later on they cause a war on the island (1974), and we still suffering.

Anybody knows some more information about that topic?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

What does it help if the US govern takes ur freedom away to "protect" it against "terrorism".

Revolt!

[Comrade Daniel]

They won't take away my freedom.
FUCK USA

[Pepe Cy]

Comrade Daniel , said that they will not take away hid freedom.

Are you sure? I believe that they had already done it by violating your privacy and by monitoring everything that is associate with you.

I recomend to read Orwell book. You will be suprice.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

"Someone who sacrifices freedom for temporary safety, deserves non of them". Benjamin Franklin

[Corvus Corax]

Well, I didn't know about Carnivore, but i knew about Echelon.

In fact, I have read a whole book about it (well it was mostly other stuff but had a huge feature on Echelon).

It could be, and probably is, used for Industrial espionage purposes to make sure US economy leads the way.

I think it is a sick invasion of somebodies privacy, in the name of security, and a gross reminder of what the government can get away with nowadays.

In the long run it will probably be used to find political opposition in the Fascist dictatorship of the USA.
They are probably already hunting down active lefties all around the USA...

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Well I have never heard of Carnivore, but this is what I know about Echelon:

Echelon is a program that works with 5 spysatelites, these satelites can read/listen all electonic trafic. They monitor a lot of persons who have a lot of power: the Pope, some head of states and a few others. Europe knows about Echelon but ignores it. There has been an EU investigation to it, but the people from the US government and the Agency's cancelled all apointments with the European investigators. The Brittish MI-6 cooperates in the program. They primlay use Echelon for economic goals. Some European agency's are working indivudualy on contra-espionage because there was no agreement on an European contra program.

(Edited by CCCP at 10:58 pm on Dec. 24, 2002)

[Corvus Corax]

I think it also works with Cisco Systems to intercept messages through routers.

[Pepe Cy]

I found some things regarding Carnivore.

Carnivore, a more recent system was secretly installed by the FBI. Angry Americans forced the congress to ask the FBI to limit it use. Never matter what the FBI had promised, it returned back, and after the well known incident now is even more advanced and with more data’s.

Is use such technology that can be set up at a corporate site or an internet service provider site. It then captures all the packets of information sends or store all of the visited websites.

The American officials try to present Carnivore as a “diagnostic tool” used to intercept information and electronic communications so as to enable the FBI to fight “acts of terrorism and other serious and violent crimes occurring over the Internet.

Not much are known about the program and it believed that the FBI obtaining far more information about a person than if it were to utilize a conventional wiretap.
This has led to policy debates and legal issues similar to those raised by the PATRIOT Act.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Cisco systems is always one of the first company's who participate in these typ of operations, because of industrialspyionage.