Why is capitalism inherently unjust?

[phknrocket1k]

Why is capitalism inherently unjust?

[Reds]

Capitalism is unjust becase it put people into groups those on top and those who are on the bottem and it give the few power over the many, just for a simple defeniton

[Enragé]

simply put:

because it revolves around greed and some of the other worst traits of man, and promotes 'em.

[workersunity]

Because their system creates capital, which is unjustly acquired through the labor power of their workers, basically theft, also its a system revolved around and in praise of greed, greed will always get its cummupins

[KC]

Because of the contradiction between economic characteristics (competition, the need to drive down prices) and social characteristics (human rights).

[rachstev]

But Lazar,

The United States of America is very capitalistic and has a greater human rights record than the People's Republic of China, the Soviet Union and North Korea. Also, the U.S. has millions of people world wide who are trying to come to America and become citizens. So your answer can't be that simple (or even correct).

[Lord Testicles]

But The People's Republic of China, the Soviet Union and North Korea were never communist so i dont know what relevance theses countrys have to this debate and does America actually have that good a human rights record = http://www.thenausea.com/usa.html

[MikeSchafer]

Capitalism is inherently unjust because it is inherently anti-democratic. Workers do not control the means of production, and the wealth accumulated by the upper class is used to gain more political power than the average working Joe.

[Amusing Scrotum]

The United States of America is very capitalistic and has a greater human rights record than the People's Republic of China, the Soviet Union and North Korea. Also, the U.S. has millions of people world wide who are trying to come to America and become citizens. So your answer can't be that simple (or even correct).

State Capitalism as was used in People's Republic of China, the Soviet Union and is stilled used North Korea. Is Capitalism by a smaller group, who can more easily control the productive force and laws. Which ends up making the State more brutal and secretive.
There is a huge difference between Nationalising an Industry and Socialising it. That is why Communists rarely support Nationalist Groups.
Plus U.S. human rights violations are not necessarily as easy to spot as your typical oppressive state. The American State doesn't violate their own people half as much as they do other nations citizens. Just look at Iraq, Vietnam, Haiti, Guatemala, Colombia and many others if you wish to gain a proper view of Americas Human Rights record.

[Clarksist]

Capitalism is NOT always unjust.

Get over it. This just isn't true.

There have been places and times where capitalism has worked, and has been the best of all possibilities.

That is why there have been capitalistic revolutions.

Capitalism is sometimes the best choice.

However, in a post industrialized world, moreover in a post industrialized first world with a starving third world, capitalism is intrinsicly bad.

Why?

Because industrialization makes getting capital that nice catch-22: to get money, you have to have money.

The means of production are expensive and unreasonable for the "common man", and thus are not owned by everyone.

Wage labor is the only way for subsistence for most people. And here in lies the problem. You get exploitation, and the people doing the work reep the least of the reward.

That is the most basic problem. From there on out you get the social and economic problems.

[Zingu]

Capitalism is freedom from Feudalism, it was a progressive force...back awhile ago.

[KC]

The United States of America is very capitalistic and has a greater human rights record than the People's Republic of China, the Soviet Union and North Korea. Also, the U.S. has millions of people world wide who are trying to come to America and become citizens. So your answer can't be that simple (or even correct).

1. None of those states are communist.
2. You can't look at it on a country by country basis. Since capitalism has spread throughout the world, then if you want to observe and analyze capitalism, you will take the whole capitalist system into account; the entire planet.

Capitalism loves the third world. It doesn't need it to survive like everybody says, but it would be very difficult for it to without all those poor people. Companies go overseas because there is a cheaper workforce overseas. They pay people wages and work people so hard that human rights violations are committed. This is globalization and this is proof of capitalism evolving.

Once the living standards of the entire world have been increased to a certain point, where will these companies go for cheap labour? This is when problems start.

[Fiend15]

the Corporations dominate and the government is corrupt

[Ownthink]

Capitalism is inherently unjust because it is based on Greed and profit only for the individual. As we all know, a system based on greed, money, and corruption leaves many people in poverty, and this is where it is unjust.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Easy peasy question my friend, capitalism depends on a surplus-population (homeless/ minimum wage) this keeps workers competative and wages cheap.

Also, capitalism must have people living in poverty or within lower-income, otherwize it can't work, if everyone were to be middle-class or upper-class there would be no one to pick-up your trash, clean the toilets, sort your papers, make your food, build homes, assemble your modern gizmos ect.

Members of the petti-bourgeos are descending into prolitariat, that goes to show you that the gap between rich and poor must keep widening to expand capital aswell.

Another argument against capitalism is that it must destroy the environment to expand capital, Mc Donalds is constantly knocking down rain forrests to place their cattle, chemical companys give off noxious fumes in the air, many companys dumb industrial waste in the water.

Capitalism just isn't a logical economic system within the objective conditions of the world. It cancels itself out. When the market has been entirely monopolized and all the resources have been used up, then what ?
That is the end of reproduction of comodities.

There isnt stability in the market, a depression always follows a glut.

Capitalism can't provide for everyone and it can't promise stability.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 01:02 AM
Capitalism loves the third world. It doesn't need it to survive like everybody says, but it would be very difficult for it to without all those poor people. Companies go overseas because there is a cheaper workforce overseas. They pay people wages and work people so hard that human rights violations are committed.
Capitalism NEEDS the third-world.
The nature of capitalism is to expand capital how far it possibly can. So there by paying third-world workers rediculously low wages, more profit is made by the CEOs. If the company were to stay in the western world and had no choice but to, labour unions would recognise this and ask for the sky and therefore less capital would be expanded.

Why do you think in Colombia Coca-Cola went apeshit and hired paramilitaries to kill workers when unions were making demands ?

Coca-Cola thought they escaped labour unions by going to Colombia, big surprise to them.

Its very sad that workers are killed for the glory and the grace of proffit, but whats learned here is that Capitalism is dependant on workers, if workers form unions we will defeat capitalism. Unions may be supressed from time to time,but they come back.

[gilhyle]

Listen to Clarksist. He is correct.