Entertainment

[Livetrueordie]

Movie stars and artist the like, often achieve powerfull inluence.(we all know Bob Dylan)... How do you prevent someone from controlling groups of people, look at Michael Jackson that is a considerable amount of people.
thanx for help.

[STABD]

peopel wont depend on a leader as much as they do under capitalism, they will know that they are self suficient. also peopel wont feel the need to try to obtain power, this is caused by insucuritys caused by capitalism. * corect me if im wrong*

[Livetrueordie]

Yes this is true, but i feel any influence that is greater than another, causes inequality. an artist can have the opinion heard across a country whle others wont have that oppurtunity. but then again maybe thats just life and your special skills will get you recognised as well as others. or maybe the will be a way to regulate certain, "political campaigns"

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

One of our members has a good article on this:

Entertainment in Communist Society (http://www.redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1082818382&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

[STABD]

i agree that this could lead to problems, but were never going to be socialy equal, some peopel are just funner to be around, and it would not be right to ristrict peopel we dont agree with, or limit certain peopels freedoms because we see them as a threat.

[Clarksist]

peopel wont depend on a leader as much as they do under capitalism, they will know that they are self suficient. also peopel wont feel the need to try to obtain power, this is caused by insucuritys caused by capitalism.


Not under socialism.

Entertainers will get much less of an influence, as the entertainment industry will be more diluted with more people in it.

Socialism will hurt the "popular" entertainers who enjoy such an unfair economic position, but the underground artists will flourish.

[FleasTheLemur]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_the_Soviet_Union

...and this is from a government that didn't allow total freedom of speech!

"Customs says 'Ok'!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_cinema

Here's some stuff on Cuba's Cinema, but it's not as comprehensive.

[Organic Revolution]

in anarchism, we will embrace music as the soul of the people. in capitalism, mainstream music is used to keep people in line, afraid not to consume.

[Clarksist]

in capitalism, mainstream music is used to keep people in line, afraid not to consume.


I completely agree.

Mainstream music has become so poppy and linear, most of it talking about bling or love so that people think thats okay to consume your life.

It isn't.

RATM got popular, but sadly had problems getting their message across completely.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 02:32 AM
i agree that this could lead to problems, but were never going to be socialy equal, some peopel are just funner to be around, and it would not be right to ristrict peopel we dont agree with, or limit certain peopels freedoms because we see them as a threat.
Of course there will always be some differences between induviduals; some will tell better jokes or be good athletes or have different skill levels as musicians or artists. There will also probably be die-hard fans of an induvidual writer or athlete or songwriter. But if all our material needs are met and everyone has acess to persue the activities in life that they enjoy, I can't see how this would be destructive.

If kids today (or 10 years ago anyway) want to be "like mike" it is because he "made it" and has respect and money (in addition to being a great athlete) which most kids under capitalism (especially urban black kids) don't have. Without poverty and the depression of a dull, alienated, working life people still might look up to the skills of other people and if they want to emulate them then they will try and improve their own skills rather than "eating Wheaties" or buying air jordans.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 03:22 PM

in capitalism, mainstream music is used to keep people in line, afraid not to consume.


I completely agree.

Mainstream music has become so poppy and linear, most of it talking about bling or love so that people think thats okay to consume your life.

It isn't.

RATM got popular, but sadly had problems getting their message across completely.
Art and entertainment reflects the rest of society. Of course the music industry trend is towards "safe" and manufactured music because it's an industry and the money people want to make investments that are "safe bets". I don't think there is any overt propaganda or conpiracy at work in entertainment other than the desire to make money.

Hollywood movies are dull and unimaginative often because they pour a lot of money into production and promotion. (From a business view) Why make 10 10million dollar movies that would appeal to a range of varios tastes when you'd then have to turn around and promotes 10 different kinds of movies? Just make 1 100 million dollar movie with a proven formula and promote the crap out of that. People will see it, life sucks under capitalism and sitting a in dark room for 2 hours watching lights, is a nice escape.

But, again, entertainment is a reflection of what's going on in the rest of society. Hollywood made "safe" and "big spectacle" movies for decades, but with the social unrest of the 60s and 70s, workers didn't want to watch cowboy movies while Native Americans were out protesting for equality, black people didn't want to see movies where blacks were the maid anymore, and John Wayne couldn't get a job because no one wanted to see movies glorifying war when people in their town were getting killed in Vietnam.

If hip-hop is all about "bling-bling" right now, it's because "getting rich" seems, to most Americans, as the only way out of a dull wage-earning life. As race and class anger becomes more accute in the US, hip-hop will reflect that just as west-coast rap in the late 80s and early 90s reflected the anger at police brutality and spoke about riots in the years before and after the 92 L.A. rebellion. If there is a revolutionary movement in the US, pop-culture will begin to reflect that as well and pop-stars will start sing/rap about social justice rather than just material possessions or love songs.