B.N.P British national party the Nazi in disguise

[_nin]

I hate the B.N.P! They are just like the nazi! They use the same tactics, preying on unenlightend people sterotipical veiw. And in britain that veiw is common.
They are looking for an all white british britain, like Hitler and germany. If the B.N.P ever came to goverment i can imagine them killing 'none whites' to get what they want.

[Arca]

I know someone who is nationalist and he seems to care more about "getting rid of other races and mongrels" than anything else. Come to think of it, I haven't read about any nationalist economic principles.

I've argued with him a lot, and most of it is ignorant sterotyping and "white supremacy".

Reminds me of this picture...
http://at.indymedia.org/usermedia/image/5/followyourleader.jpg

[Lord Testicles]

I also hate them there intolerant and ignorant and if youve ever talked to a member theyll try and tell you that its the anti-facist leauge that stir up race hatred <_<

[bolshevik butcher]

Yeh, they say that they dont falir up raical tentions. how big are htey odwn south. there not really very big up here.

Is it around burnley that they&#39;re big?

[Redmau5]

The BNP are actually regarded as sell-outs by the White Nationalist Party. Although the BNP seem to have toned down some of their more extremist policies in recent years, they are still regarded as Nazis. :lol:

If they stay extreme, they get called Nazis. If they try and look respectable, they get called Nazis. They just can&#39;t win.

And I hope it stays that way.

[YKTMX]

Actually, the sad thing is that they don&#39;t get called Nazis often enough - except by socialists, of course. Their repugnant leader, a little upper class turd called Nick Griffin, is never off the BBC.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Doing What? What does he do to get such coverage?

Any communists getting coverage?

[YKTMX]

He usually gets invited on to late night news programme if there is a race riot, or if they win some local council seats. The pretence is that they will "challenge" his ideas but, of course, they do nothing of the sort, beyond liberal blatherings about "hate".

As for "communists", George Galloway and Tony Benn are the most visible socialists.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Are they actual communists?

Do they get as much coverage as this idiot?

[Redmau5]

Nick Griffin. One eye is looking at you and the other is looking for you.

:blink: <<< Nick Griffin

[YKTMX]

I&#39;m surprised you&#39;ve not heard of either of them.

Galloway is an MP for this (http://www.respectcoalition.org/) party.

Benn is a veteran of the Labour party, he was on the left of the party.

I wouldn&#39;t describe either of them as Communist.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I must admit that I don&#39;t know much about the political scene in the UK.

[Donnie]

Any communists getting coverage?

No communists in Britain get coverage from what I’ve herd or seen. There isn&#39;t a big membership of Communist in Britain. There are rather a lot of Communist Party&#39;s but not a lot of members. Here are the ones I know that are establish in Britain:

* Communist Party of Great Britain
* Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain (ML)
* New Communist Party
* Communist-Party

From what I&#39;ve seen so far from the left, people in Britain are either Socialist or Anarchists (Libertarian Communists).

In fact I herd from some AF member that there was a Leninist group somewhere in the south that has given up there Leninist tactics and joined the anarchists in the south.

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 08:03 PM
Are they actual communists?

Do they get as much coverage as this idiot?
No and yes.

[amos]

For background on Tony Benn try searching on Amazon. Here&#39;s a link to him from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Benn).

Gorgeous George recently appeared before a US Senate committee investigating allegations of corruption in the oil for food programme in Iraq. I don&#39;t think he was quite what they were expecting. Here&#39;s a link to the BBC page (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4553601.stm) about the hearing. Check out the video.

Its difficult to think of any particularly high profile British communists who regularly appear in the media. These two are probably as close as you get at the moment.

Cheers
Amos

[Amusing Scrotum]

Are they actual communists?

I&#39;m not sure about Galloway, hes definetely an old school Socialist. Tony Benn has spoken at Marxism confrences, I have one on my computer and its a really good speech.


He usually gets invited on to late night news programme if there is a race riot, or if they win some local council seats.

In the last election, in my area, the BNP got more votes than the Greens. My mother being a member of the Green Party was devastated. I mocked her for a while until she pointed out that a Socialist didn&#39;t even stand. Then she jokingly mocked Socialists ideas about the emacipation of the working class.

[Donnie]

Its difficult to think of any particularly high profile British communists who regularly appear in the media. These two are probably as close as you get at the moment.
There are no famous Communists in the present British media. The last famous British Communist that I know of was Arthur Scargil and he went out and soon as the miners strikes did.

[Amusing Scrotum]

There are no famous Communists in the present British media. The last famous British Communist that I know of was Arthur Scargil and he went out and soon as the miners strikes did.

Was Scargill a Communist?

I always thought he was just a sell out. ;)

[Commandante_Ant]

I think thats a fair shout....the BNP could end up as the Nazi party of Britain. They both believe that their homeland is being exploited, they both believe in nationalist ideals (no foreigners) and they are both incredibly stupid and pointless. What the BNP doesnt seem to realise is that the immigrants actually work for their money....a great proportion of BNP followers are welfare scavengers, happy to sit back and have money thrown at them by the state.

And i do believe if Nick Griffin had his way, we would be an island all white with no ethnic diversity...there would be no coloured, no pakistani, no indians, no chinese...nothing, pure 100% British. Of course, if you were a pakistani and were BORN in Britain then you&#39;re still a foreigner...bye bye. Is Griffin not in jail or something? I know he was on trial last month, 2 months ago. What was the outcome?

[Des]

I fucking hate white nationalist parties... (obviously)

we recently closed down a mail box being used by the Nationalist Alliance party(in belfast) - fascists : http://www.nationalistalliance.org/

heres there version of events : http://www.nationalistalliance.org/marxistqueers.html

A successful protest from the Socialist Party and Socialist Youth

[bolshevik butcher]

There&#39;s the ssp up here as wel. Not quite communist but elftward leaning.

[h&s]

Regardless of what they say, the BNP are undeniably fascist.
The founder of the BNP:
http://www.anl.org.uk/images/tyndal.jpg
(Note the swastika badge just visible above his left top pocket)
The BNP was also behind the obviously Nazi Combat 18, and their leader, Nick Griffin, has been quoted in the past denying the holocaust ever happened, and only opposes forced repatriation on practical reasons.
Of course, now they pretend to be a tolerant normal party, but even Michael Howard can see through this and calls them Nazis.


....a great proportion of BNP followers are welfare scavengers, happy to sit back and have money thrown at them by the state.
Careful.. There is nothing wrong or scavenging about being on benefit. The BNP only has (very limited) support in working class areas where there are very few jobs. They say that Nationalism is the way out, which attracts some people as it is radical.


Was Scargill a Communist?
I don&#39;t think so. He used to be in the Communist Youth back in the 50&#39;s, but didn&#39;t stay with the party.


Are they actual communists?
No. Galloway&#39;s &#39;socialism&#39; is very dubious. Benn is definitely a socialist, but not a revolutionary one. He is a utopian socialist, who is deluded to think that change can come from above, but as he is very upper-class (he used to be a Sir before he rejected it) I suppose that is to be expected.

[Amusing Scrotum]

No. Galloway&#39;s &#39;socialism&#39; is very dubious. Benn is definitely a socialist, but not a revolutionary one. He is a utopian socialist, who is deluded to think that change can come from above, but as he is very upper-class (he used to be a Sir before he rejected it) I suppose that is to be expected.

Galloway does seem to be a bit dubious, he certainly doesn&#39;t live by his principles. Smoking expensive cigars and driving expensive cars, hes certainly made quite a bit of money out of politics.

Tony Benn certainly doesn&#39;t think change comes from above. Hes certainly no fan of the establisment and seems to be constantly attending strikes, war demonstrations etc. even though hes in his late seventies. To say that Tony Benn thinks change comes from the top is complete folly and casts a bad light on someone who is one of the most influencial Socialists of the last forty years.

[James]

Benn does believe in parliament: that may be where you are getting confused H&S. Which isn&#39;t naive.
Me and kamo had this argument before... This country has benifited more from unrevolutionary activity, than action from "armed revolutionaries".
Indeed,i think it is the english armed rev&#39;s who are the naive ones.

Also, BNP sort of emerged from the NF/Combat 18 scene. Not the other way around.

[Commandante_Ant]

Originally posted by h&[email protected] 9 2005, 04:26 PM

....a great proportion of BNP followers are welfare scavengers, happy to sit back and have money thrown at them by the state.
Careful.. There is nothing wrong or scavenging about being on benefit. The BNP only has (very limited) support in working class areas where there are very few jobs. They say that Nationalism is the way out, which attracts some people as it is radical.
I&#39;m sorry but i dont see why i should work for a reasonable wage only to give 20% away to tax...which then gets given to cleetus and his ragtag band of 20 kids and 12 grandkids in their 3 bedroom house. Its not fair....too many people see sitting on their arse as the easy life....do nothing and get money for it. In a socialist world, where an individual should be looking to improve themselves, these people would probably be shot because its just too hard a job to change their way of life.....they think of what THEY can gain, instead of what the COUNTRY and SOCIETY could gain by working together.

The BNP are the Nazi&#39;s of today. The fortunate thing is that they will never have enough support to win a seat in house of commons, holyrood etc.

[h&s]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 06:20 PM
Benn does believe in parliament: that may be where you are getting confused H&S. Which isn&#39;t naive.
Me and kamo had this argument before... This country has benifited more from unrevolutionary activity, than action from "armed revolutionaries".
Indeed,i think it is the english armed rev&#39;s who are the naive ones.

Also, BNP sort of emerged from the NF/Combat 18 scene. Not the other way around.
Armed revolutionaries are very naive, yes, but Benn doesn&#39;t Benn belive in socialism through parliament? Or have I misunderstood him?
I haven&#39;t seen anything revolutionary from him (and there is nothing naive about revolution, just so long as you don&#39;t think that the tactics Che and Mao are remotely applicable :P )

[James]

Armed revolutionaries are very naive, yes, but Benn doesn&#39;t Benn belive in socialism through parliament? Or have I misunderstood him?
I haven&#39;t seen anything revolutionary from him (and there is nothing naive about revolution, just so long as you don&#39;t think that the tactics Che and Mao are remotely applicable )

Well i believe that the origional question was whether he was a "communist". To me, a communist is what the dictionary says it is. I&#39;m not using the marxist definition here of communism and socialism (socialism being the stage before communism).
I&#39;d argue that Benn was arguing for that general end. Hence, in simple terms, he was and is a communist/socialist (i don&#39;t think i should use "marxist" definitions: i&#39;m not a marxist).

I think you are right in stating that he believes in "socialism through parliament". This method is not a "revolutionary" method, when one compares it with mao and che.

I don&#39;t think "revolutionary" was being debated though: read the previous posts.


[i will say this though: Benn&#39;s method is the way any change has come about in this country in modern times. It shouldn&#39;t be shrugged away]

[Anarchist Freedom]

BnP sons of *****s need to be dealt with and I live in the USA.

[Amusing Scrotum]

Armed revolutionaries are very naive, yes, but Benn doesn&#39;t Benn belive in socialism through parliament? Or have I misunderstood him?
I haven&#39;t seen anything revolutionary from him (and there is nothing naive about revolution, just so long as you don&#39;t think that the tactics Che and Mao are remotely applicable )

I&#39;ve had a quick look over the internet and found this interview with Tony Benn (http://www.labournet.net/other/0011/benn.html). I think if you read it you get a decent view of his political beliefs.
Oh and yes, Benn does believe in Socialism through Parliament, but, he also believes it is the public that drives Parliament.
As for the question of whether he is a revolutionary, then I guess it depends on your definition of revolutionary. In the interview he talks about using "the vote not just to buy political power, but economic power." This to me is a revolutionary ideal we all share, to replace Political democracies with an Economic democracies.
Just because he doesn&#39;t constantly talk about armed revolutions, doesn&#39;t neccesarily make him a non-revolutionary.

[James]

I&#39;ve had a quick look over the internet and found this interview with Tony Benn. I think if you read it you get a decent view of his political beliefs.

good interview. May be worth making this a seperate thread. Perhaps theory?



he also believes it is the public that drives Parliament.

very good point



As for the question of whether he is a revolutionary, then I guess it depends on your definition of revolutionary. In the interview he talks about using "the vote not just to buy political power, but economic power." This to me is a revolutionary ideal we all share, to replace Political democracies with an Economic democracies.
Just because he doesn&#39;t constantly talk about armed revolutions, doesn&#39;t neccesarily make him a non-revolutionary.

Again, very good point.
He&#39;s only "un revolutionary" if your definition of revolution/revolutionary is what happened in Russia/cuba.
To be frank, if that is your only definition of the word, then you are incredibly naive.

[Amusing Scrotum]

good interview. May be worth making this a seperate thread. Perhaps theory?

Just made one on him. In Theory. (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=40468)

[HoorayForTheRedBlackandGreen]

What about the November 9th Society? They call their pamphlet giving stuff "Operation: XYZ" or something. Their leader like kickboxing. woohoo.

Oh yeah and you can be in his personal bodyguard. With the other fat guys. You Brits really need to do some direct action when it comes to these folks. I like what the Socialist Party and Socialist Youth did, kudos.