Nasser

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What do you think of Nasser comrades?

[Amusing Scrotum]

Do you mean the Egyptian leader Nasser?

If so then, although I couldn't admit to being an expert on him, I'm definetely no fan. He supressed the people through huge security apparatus and secret police, employed torture techniques taught by the CIA and ran Egypt into the ground financially.
Also Siad Kutp (Bad spelling), the if you like new testament writer of Muslim Extremism, was arrested in Egypt under Nasser. All Kutp sought was Islamic Religous Revolution as during his time studying in America he saw that Americans' were more "Interested with their lawns and other material things, than the plight of others."
Now I know Religous Revolution isn't everyones cup of tea, it certainly not something I'm fond of. However others are entitled to their views on how to make a better world.
Anyway Kutp was arrested and was brutalised and tortured by CIA trained torturers. They set dogs on him, put electrodes on him etc. Not something I would wish on anyone. Anyway during his period of imprisonment he was radicalised, in a sense, into believing that no longer did it apply that only corrupt politicians needed to be killed, but, the civilians who let them be corrupt.
So in a sense Nasser has led to Islamic Extremism by being oppressive and corrupt. Something Communists should not look at in a positive light.

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Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 11:10 AM
Do you mean the Egyptian leader Nasser?

If so then, although I couldn't admit to being an expert on him, I'm definetely no fan. He supressed the people through huge security apparatus and secret police, employed torture techniques taught by the CIA and ran Egypt into the ground financially.
Also Siad Kutp (Bad spelling), the if you like new testament writer of Muslim Extremism, was arrested in Egypt under Nasser. All Kutp sought was Islamic Religous Revolution as during his time studying in America he saw that Americans' were more "Interested with their lawns and other material things, than the plight of others."
Now I know Religous Revolution isn't everyones cup of tea, it certainly not something I'm fond of. However others are entitled to their views on how to make a better world.
Anyway Kutp was arrested and was brutalised and tortured by CIA trained torturers. They set dogs on him, put electrodes on him etc. Not something I would wish on anyone. Anyway during his period of imprisonment he was radicalised, in a sense, into believing that no longer did it apply that only corrupt politicians needed to be killed, but, the civilians who let them be corrupt.
So in a sense Nasser has led to Islamic Extremism by being oppressive and corrupt. Something Communists should not look at in a positive light.
1. Yes, the Egyptian leader Nasser.

2. He nationalized the Egyptian industries and kicked out foreign investors and British diplomats who were the de-facto government of Egypt.

3. He outlawed and imprisoned the leaders of the muslim brotherhood, who had expanded operations from distributing food and education to islamic fundamentalism and militancy. Inciting religious hatred against secularism and existed purely on a religious-nationalistic platform.

4. Nasser sided with the soviet union and joined the socialist bloc. How the CIA could have helped him is beyond me. He actually kicked western business interests out of Egypt.

5. After the defeat in the war with Israel Nasser gave his resignation as head of Egypt and claimed full responsibility, however he was stopped from doing this by protestors who wanted him to remain in office. mind you, these protests took place all over Egypt.

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1. Yes, the Egyptian leader Nasser.

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2. He nationalized the Egyptian industries and kicked out foreign investors and British diplomats who were the de-facto government of Egypt.

Nationalising industries doesn't essentially make them Socialist. The Police Force is nationalised, are they Socialist?


3. He outlawed and imprisoned the leaders of the muslim brotherhood, who had expanded operations from distributing food and education to islamic fundamentalism and militancy. Inciting religious hatred against secularism and existed purely on a religious-nationalistic platform.

The Muslim Brotherhood may not be a group whose ideals we agree with, but, they certainly arose as a movement because of the oppression of the masses.


4. Nasser sided with the soviet union and joined the socialist bloc. How the CIA could have helped him is beyond me. He actually kicked western business interests out of Egypt.

Is Nasser the first or second leader of Egypt under "Socialism". Said Kutp was executed in the early sixties, I think, therefore this would possibly been before Egypt sided with the Socialist Bloc.


5. After the defeat in the war with Israel Nasser gave his resignation as head of Egypt and claimed full responsibility, however he was stopped from doing this by protestors who wanted him to remain in office. mind you, these protests took place all over Egypt.

Wasn't he shot after this defeat?

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Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 01:04 PM
Nationalising industries doesn't essentially make them Socialist. The Police Force is nationalised, are they Socialist?
The Police is not an organisation that gives back to the people, it is an organisation that defends the Capitalist state, whilst keeping the people in order (especially minorities).


The Muslim Brotherhood may not be a group whose ideals we agree with, but, they certainly arose as a movement because of the oppression of the masses.


Nasser, I believe, after the creation of the United Arab Republic, repressed not only the Muslim Brotherhood, but the Syrian Communist Party too, through the Secret Police.


Wasn't he shot after this defeat?

He died of a heart attack weeks after the end of Egypt's "War of Attrition" with Israel, in 1970.

Then he was succeded by the asshole Sadat.

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What do you think of Nasser comrades?

He was a nationalist. When they are progressive, we must uphold these people against imperialism and its attacks, when they are reactionary we must wholey oppose them.


Nationalising industries doesn't essentially make them Socialist.

Right. As Engels said, "Recently, however, since Bismarck went in for state ownership of industrial establishments, a kind of spurious socialism has arisen -- here and there even degenerating into a kind of flunkeyism -- that quite straightforwardly declares all state ownership to be socialist."

But,


The Police Force is nationalised, are they Socialist?

The police force isn't an industry.


Wasn't he shot after this defeat?

He was shot at by a member of the Muslim Brotherhood during a speech. All eight bullets missed and he continued his speech saying "Let them kill Nasser. What is Nasser but one among many? My fellow countrymen, stay where you are. I am not dead, I am alive, and even if I die all of you is Gamal Abdel Nasser. "

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the asshole Sadat.

You don't like him because he met with Menachem Begin or what?

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You don't like him because he met with Menachem Begin or what?

One of the reasons I dislike him is because he slept with the Israelis.

However, his "Infitah" policy was the worst thing that could happen to the poor people of Egypt. This "Open Door" policy, which encouraged foreign investment and the development of the private sector led to the increasing of the wealth of the upper class, while bringing more poverty to the poor, something I oppose.

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The Police is not an organisation that gives back to the people, it is an organisation that defends the Capitalist state, whilst keeping the people in order (especially minorities).

Maybe I should have used the Post Office as an example instead, nationalised by King Charles.
My point was that praise shouldn't just be heaped onto someone for nationalising something. A nationalised industry, simply replaces one boss with another, keeping workers just as oppressed as before. Socialising an industry, is giving workers control over that industry. Freeing them.
Peron nationalised many things in Argentina, however he was no Socialist.


Nasser, I believe, after the creation of the United Arab Republic, repressed not only the Muslim Brotherhood, but the Syrian Communist Party too, through the Secret Police.

Exactly, he was more a brutal dictator than a Socialist leader.


He died of a heart attack weeks after the end of Egypt's "War of Attrition" with Israel, in 1970.

Then he was succeded by the asshole Sadat.

My knowledge on Egypt is limited as I stated before. I probably confused Sadat with Nasser in some of my previous statements.
However wasn't Sadat hand picked by Nasser as his successor?

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However wasn't Sadat hand picked by Nasser as his successor?

Sadat was vice-President under Nasser's government.